MILITARY POLL: Active Duty, Retired, Veterans, Guard - Babbitt

[Lesh]

Bahahahaha!

What the **** kind of cops do you think they were? Defending the ******* capital and all those politicians. . . but can't raise their guns because, the UNARMED mob might take them away?

I wonder if they were wearing adult diapers too.

You act like a mob is no big thing

It is. It’s an animal all unto itself

You saw what that mob did to that cop in the tunnel right?

 

[JGalt]

Yes.

US Army, B Co. 2nd Bn 10th Field Artillery, Fort Benning, GA 1971-1974

 

[WorldWatcher]

Shut up, homo. Your bullshit military service is not respected by anyone. Youre just a shitbird loser.

Wow….

Trigger much?



WW

 

[Chuz Life]

You act like a mob is no big thing

It is. It’s an animal all unto itself

You saw what that mob did to that cop in the tunnel right?

All mobs have some potential to be the same but they are not all the same.

Did entire city blocks burn on jan6th?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

If what you say is correct, that they were ordered to retreat but just stood there with their rifles down, as the protesters advanced on the door, resulting in her being shot THROUGH the door, what the **** is wrong with you, that you don't see how that shows Byrd was in the wrong or the plan was to set the whole ******* thing up?

If Ashlii was such a threat, why would three or more cops with long guns STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO HER do nothing but stand there as she gets shot through the door?

There have been a lot of news stories of people getting shot through doors. Some were later justified and some weren't. How many others of those shootings have been justified, when the victim was shot. . . with armed cops literally standing there with them, when the shot was fired through the door?

She wasn't shot "through a door". She was shot AFTER she climbed into the window that had just been broken out of the locked door.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

If what you say is correct, that they were ordered to retreat but just stood there with their rifles down, as the protesters advanced on the door, resulting in her being shot THROUGH the door, what the **** is wrong with you, that you don't see how that shows Byrd was in the wrong or the plan was to set the whole ******* thing up?

Because they were grossly outnumbered? And because the crowd hadn't yet done anything that required a response of lethal force?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Tell me why the "mob" didn't just take their guns away from them, anyway, fucktard? Especially after Babbitt was shot. Why didn't the "mob" take those guns and start shooting back?

Probably because intimidation was working for them thus far and they didn't want to risk getting shot. Trying to take away an officer's weapon is all the reason that he or any other officers need to then use lethal force against you.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The video shows the armed cops being ushered away from Babbitts location, just before she gets shot. They were less than 20' away and (also as the video shows) they were right there before she hit the floor.

In the video I saw there were two police officers standing in front of the door to the lobby. When the mob arrived, they "convinced" them to leave by telling them they weren't there for them, that they wanted the officers to essentially go home to their families at the end of their shift and then "encouraged" them to leave thereby allowing them to continue on with their assault against the last remaining structure that stood between them and the members of Congress they were trying to get their hands on.

In fact when the mob first arrived, both windows in the door were undamaged but once the officers left the mob began smashing out the windows, one of them using what looks like an officer's riot helmet.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The video shows the armed cops being ushered away from Babbitts location, just before she gets shot. They were less than 20' away and (also as the video shows) they were right there before she hit the floor.

As for your other shit about justification, explain the 5 Million dollar settlement for wrongfull death and excessive force.

That settlement was inevitable because in civil cases the standard of proof is only a preponderance of the evidence (about 51%) versus the 98% guilty beyond reasonable doubt in criminal cases. Since the case never went to trial, the payment was simply that, a settlement, not a finding of liability.

It’s also important to note that there is nothing on record showing that the government or Lt. Byrd was culpable in Ashli's death. The evidence indicates that Babbitt’s own decision to forcefully enter a restricted area in the middle of a violent breach created the circumstances that led to her being shot and ultimately her death.

 

[Chuz Life]

She wasn't shot "through a door". She was shot AFTER she climbed into the window that had just been broken out of the locked door.

Side window

So, how do we know she (unarmed) wasn't just sticking her head in to shout something? Where is the justification for the use of deadly force?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Side window

So, how do we know she (unarmed) wasn't just sticking her head in to shout something? Where is the justification for the use of deadly force?

1. She climbed up into the window and was "armed" with a mob (disparity of force)
2. She ignored commands issued by a law enforcement officer who was pointing his weapon at her to not proceed
3. She nor anyone else on the other side of the door were entitled to breach the door because obviously a decision had been made that this barricade was their last line of defense and that to allow them past this barricade, the officers would then lose any advantage they held as they would soon be outnumbered. If the law enforcement officers were injured or killed then that would leave those they were protecting unguarded/unprotected and at the mercy of the mob.

Who are you going to protect, people you know, who you see on a regular basis as part of your protection duties and whom it is your JOB to protect? OR someone you don't know who has been activity attempting to break into the area where you have instructed your charges to take shelter while you attempt to hold the mob off?

"...When a group or mob of attackers are present, all members of the mob shall share in the jeopardy for the fear that the mob has caused. In other words, If attacked by three individuals and you shoot at the attacker closest to you but miss and hit his cohort behind him, your actions will be viewed as justified because all members of the mob are acting as a single unit. From vol 1 of Warren on Homicide by Oscar Leroy Warren and Basil Michael Bilas, section 148 page 642, “Where several are apparently preparing to join in an attack on defendant, his right of self-defense extends to each participant". Also see STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA v . E. H. FOLEY Supreme Court of Appeals of West Virginia, published Nov 13, 1945. Also see Seeley v. State where "...it was held that in a criminal case involving self-defense, the jury should have been instructed that where a defendant was in danger of losing his life or suffering great bodily harm from more than one assailant, acting together, that defendant had a right to defend against all assailants." -- It is important to note that protesters and or those involved in rioting that are lying in the street in order to block a drivers escape from a violent mob attack are in fact part of the mob and therefore share in the jeopardy for the fear that the mob has caused. In many cases, but not all, drivers fleeing a riot are not being charged for driving over obstacles (people) blocking their escape."

United Association of Personal Defense Instructors - Self-Defense, Use of Force and Deadly Force

 

[Chuz Life]

1. She climbed up into the window and was "armed" with a mob (disparity of force)
2. She ignored commands issued by a law enforcement officer who was pointing his weapon at her to not proceed
3. She nor anyone else on the other side of the door were entitled to breach the door because obviously a decision had been made that this barricade was their last line of defense and that to allow them past this barricade, the officers would then lose any advantage they held as they would soon be outnumbered. If the law enforcement officers were injured or killed then that would leave those they were protecting unguarded/unprotected and at the mercy of the mob.

Who are you going to protect, people you know, who you see on a regular basis as part of your protection duties and whom it is your JOB to protect? OR someone you don't know who has been activity attempting to break into the area where you have instructed your charges to take shelter while you attempt to hold the mob off?

"...When a group or mob of attackers are present, all members of the mob shall share in the jeopardy for the fear that the mob has caused. In other words, If attacked by three individuals and you shoot at the attacker closest to you but miss and hit his cohort behind him, your actions will be viewed as justified because all members of the mob are acting as a single unit. From vol 1 of Warren on Homicide by Oscar Leroy Warren and Basil Michael Bilas, section 148 page 642, “Where several are apparently preparing to join in an attack on defendant, his right of self-defense extends to each participant". Also see STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA v . E. H. FOLEY Supreme Court of Appeals of West Virginia, published Nov 13, 1945. Also see Seeley v. State where "...it was held that in a criminal case involving self-defense, the jury should have been instructed that where a defendant was in danger of losing his life or suffering great bodily harm from more than one assailant, acting together, that defendant had a right to defend against all assailants." -- It is important to note that protesters and or those involved in rioting that are lying in the street in order to block a drivers escape from a violent mob attack are in fact part of the mob and therefore share in the jeopardy for the fear that the mob has caused. In many cases, but not all, drivers fleeing a riot are not being charged for driving over obstacles (people) blocking their escape."

United Association of Personal Defense Instructors - Self-Defense, Use of Force and Deadly Force

What can I say?

It looks like you got this.

I feel so defeated because it seems nobody seems to agree with me.

 

[popscottpopscott]

You're imagining things. The furniture was piled up on the other side of the door that she was on. She didn't have to climb over anything, just needed a boost perhaps into the window. She didn't make it any further than that.

You are wrong... I imagined nothing... Ashli was murdered by a assassin that lay in wait in a concealed position, who sprang forward from this hiding to murder her across a 15 foot hall and pile of furniture, that provided no warning to her and she posed no physical harm to the assassin before he fired... She was an unarmed 5'2" 135 lb. veteran woman that fat boy could have sat on to subdue her.... Non-lethal weapons were available that day and should have been used...
J6 did not need to happen at all... the guard were authorized, yet not requested, days before... there was intelligence available but not used.... The security of the Capitol is the job of the Capitol Police and overseers Pelosi and her ilk... they failed... Ashli babbitts blood is on their hands, no one else's

Tell us NewsVine_Mariyam , who authorized the use of deadly force force that day?

 

[Lesh]

Side window

So, how do we know she (unarmed) wasn't just sticking her head in to shout something? Where is the justification for the use of deadly force?

Probably had something to do with the fact that her whole body was in that window frame

Christ you’re flailing around trying to justify her actions

Now she was just doing a Jack Nicholson impersonation (here’s JOHNNY!!! ) in the middle of a riot.

Dope

 

[Auld Phart]

Probably because intimidation was working for them thus far and they didn't want to risk getting shot. Trying to take away an officer's weapon is all the reason that he or any other officers need to then use lethal force against you.

Trying to take away an officer's weapon is all the reason that he or any other officers need to then use lethal force against you.

that didn't happen.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

which court?

No, you're right, wasn't even enough there to take it to court.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Tell me why the "mob" didn't just take their guns away from them, anyway, fucktard?

They DID take the weapons the police outside were actually carrying. Batons, shields, etc.

But your dumb ass didn't know that, because Newsmax didnt tell you.