Men in women's bathrooms

[Slade3200]

Dumbest question of the day, why are you so eager for me to answer such nonesense?

Because that's first step to objectivity. You claim you're objective, that's one way you can show everyone just how objective you can be.

Well there ya go you can call me mr objective from now on... Side note, you ever heard of my buddy sodapoppin? He has some epic rage quits

 

[TemplarKormac]

Of course I would not support forcing a little girl to undress in front of a mentally ill make pervert.

So, if you wouldn't support forcing a little girl to undress in front of a mentally ill male pervert, why do you insist on making a locker room full of girls watch as a boy undresses before them?

Do you realize how much you've undermined your position?

 

[Slade3200]

Of course I would not support forcing a little girl to undress in front of a mentally ill make pervert.

So, if you wouldn't support forcing a little girl to undress in front of a mentally ill male pervert, why do you insist on making a locker room full of girls watch as a boy undresses before them?

Do you realize how much you've undermined your position?

I've never taken that position... you pin me as some extreme lefty when I simply have been promoting basic objective and open minded understanding of their side. Ive had other discussions with pro trans people where I present the privacy rights that many conservatives bring up. Both sides need to be considered now that we are making policy. This board seems to have only close minded extremists on both sides. I have difficulty dealing with those types...

I've laid out my ideas for how to define what qualifies as a transitioned individual within both the school system and the public space.
I've also stated my objections to the government getting involved in bathroom policy at all. Wish we were all responsible enough to deal with it in a common sense way without the Feds needing to regulate.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I've never taken that position... you pin me as some extreme lefty when I simply have been promoting basic objective and open minded understanding of their side.

Lies. That's not objectivity whatsoever. That's you taking a side. You've been doing it ever since you began commenting in this thread.

When you promote "basic understanding" and "open mindedness" you're really suggesting that people should accept the idea of having men in women's bathrooms and transgendered jocks disrobing in front of teenage girls in the locker room. You're not the first one to play that card and you won't be the last.

Nobody is truly objective. Not even me. But your argument is a farce.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I know... You weren't far off, I'm tired of Bob and his white supremist sick mind.

And, uh... white supremacist? Huh? What? Why is he a white supremacist for opposing the idea of men putting their thing down in the women's bathroom?

I called bob that for many of the statements he has made about gays and blacks...

What have I said about blacks? I challenge you to find anything I'd said—on this forum or elsewhere—about blacks, that supports calling me a “white supremacist”. I know you'll just make some lame excuse, because you know that you have no reason to expect that you'll be able to find any such statement from me, anywhere.

As for homosexuals, I've only spoken the plain truth. It's offensive to you, only because you've chosen to side with perverts and degenerates, rather than with decent people.

And there's no mystery why you won't answer the question about whether you'd allow your own daughter to be forced to undress and shower with male perverts. To admit that you are any kind of man with any vestige of honor, that you would protect your daughter, would destroy your entire argument here, and show you to be every bit as much a “transphobic bigot” as those of us who argue against this madness. It would also show you to be a hypocrite, unwilling to have done to your own daughter what you demand be done to other people's daughters; but surely you would not be ashamed of that, since such hypocrisy is rather endemic to your kind anyway.

But to admit that you are a pathetic, craven, worthless excuse for a man and for a father, who would throw your own daughter under the bus in order to support your depraved agenda, well, even you know that to admit that would be much, much worse.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Ive had other discussions with pro trans people where I present the privacy rights that many conservatives bring up.

I haven't seen that in this thread whatsoever, and this is the first I've heard of it. Don't play me for a fool.

 

[TemplarKormac]

In fact, as I review this entire thread, Slade in all the 192 pages, and amid the 1900 posts since your first post here, you have done nothing but argue for one side, in the name of 'objectivity.' There was one post if I recall, where you pleaded with one poster to pay attention to both sides, and then another where you turned around and started questioning those expressing concerns about privacy.

That's not objectivity.

 

[Slade3200]

I've never taken that position... you pin me as some extreme lefty when I simply have been promoting basic objective and open minded understanding of their side.

Lies. That's not objectivity whatsoever. That's you taking a side. You've been doing it ever since you began commenting in this thread.

When you promote "basic understanding" and "open mindedness" you're really suggesting that people should accept the idea of having men in women's bathrooms and transgendered jocks disrobing in front of teenage girls in the locker room. You're not the first one to play that card and you won't be the last.

Nobody is truly objective. Not even me. But your argument is a farce.

I'm not claiming to be truly objective, of course I have my own opinions and they fall in between both extremes. I don't think we need to check genitals and I don't think we should open locker rooms to anybody that "feels like it". What I do, that many on this thread don't seem to do, is consider both sides of the argument. And I think the realistic solution is going to be a compromise of the two extremes.

 

[Slade3200]

I know... You weren't far off, I'm tired of Bob and his white supremist sick mind.

And, uh... white supremacist? Huh? What? Why is he a white supremacist for opposing the idea of men putting their thing down in the women's bathroom?

I called bob that for many of the statements he has made about gays and blacks...

What have I said about blacks? I challenge you to find anything I'd said—on this forum or elsewhere—about blacks, that supports calling me a “white supremacist”. I know you'll just make some lame excuse, because you know that you have no reason to expect that you'll be able to find any such statement from me, anywhere.

As for homosexuals, I've only spoken the plain truth. It's offensive to you, only because you've chosen to side with perverts and degenerates, rather than with decent people.

And there's no mystery why you won't answer the question about whether you'd allow your own daughter to be forced to undress and shower with male perverts. To admit that you are any kind of man with any vestige of honor, that you would protect your daughter, would destroy your entire argument here, and show you to be every bit as much a “transphobic bigot” as those of us who argue against this madness. It would also show you to be a hypocrite, unwilling to have done to your own daughter what you demand be done to other people's daughters; but surely you would not be ashamed of that, since such hypocrisy is rather endemic to your kind anyway.

But to admit that you are a pathetic, craven, worthless excuse for a man and for a father, who would throw your own daughter under the bus in order to support your depraved agenda, well, even you know that to admit that would be much, much worse.

I answered your shitty question you dumbshit. How about you tell us how you reall feel about homosexuals then make your case about not being a bigot. I thought you had the same attitude about blacks from another thread, something about their IQs being lower than whites... if that wasn't you then I apologize.

 

[Slade3200]

Ive had other discussions with pro trans people where I present the privacy rights that many conservatives bring up.

I haven't seen that in this thread whatsoever, and this is the first I've heard of it. Don't play me for a fool.

You play the fool just fine by yourself... I haven't taken that position in this thread because it's been full of closed minded haters

 

[TemplarKormac]

What I do, that many on this thread don't seem to do, is consider both sides of the argument.

No, you do no such thing. You are one of many here on this board who claim to "consider both sides" who then promptly takes a side. Not that you aren't allowed to, but it betrays any objectivity you claim to have. You aren't fooling anyone. I try to be objective, but I fail often. At least I'm able to admit it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I haven't taken that position in this thread because it's been full of closed minded haters

I rest my case.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's been nice chatting with you, Slade, but it is time for me to vacate this thread, for good this time.

 

[Slade3200]

In fact, as I review this entire thread, Slade in all the 192 pages, and amid the 1900 posts since your first post here, you have done nothing but argue for one side, in the name of 'objectivity.' There was one post if I recall, where you pleaded with one poster to pay attention to both sides, and then another where you turned around and started questioning those expressing concerns about privacy.

That's not objectivity.

I'm not going to dig through this novel of a thread right now to find my comments and prove myself to you. I've shown plenty of understanding and acknowledgment for privacy rights and presented some Common sense solutions. When I hear a bunch of dumbshits spouting out names and insults towards individuals that I sympathize for, well of course I'm going to tell them to open their eyes to the other perspective. And present that perspective. I've said I don't agree with obamas mandate for schools, I've said I think transition surgery should be a last resort after proper therapy, and I've laid out some pretty conservative ideas about the transition process including the need for a trans to have the matching gender defined on their ID for the facilities they use. I don't necessarily think they need complete surgery but they should be working with a medical professional and living the lifestyle and appearance as the gender that they are converting to for a qualifying amount of time. I don't think your interested in listening to me, you seem hellbent on discrediting me so you can feel superior from beating a leftie. Do what you need to do... I think the future will show that I'm closer to the realm of reality than you once things play out...

 

[Slade3200]

It's been nice chatting with you, Slade, but it is time for me to vacate this thread, for good this time.

Agreed, I've had just about enough of something that is somewhat of an overbloated nonsense topic

 

[Tilly]

In fact, as I review this entire thread, Slade in all the 192 pages, and amid the 1900 posts since your first post here, you have done nothing but argue for one side, in the name of 'objectivity.' There was one post if I recall, where you pleaded with one poster to pay attention to both sides, and then another where you turned around and started questioning those expressing concerns about privacy.

That's not objectivity.

I'm not going to dig through this novel of a thread right now to find my comments and prove myself to you. I've shown plenty of understanding and acknowledgment for privacy rights and presented some Common sense solutions. When I hear a bunch of dumbshits spouting out names and insults towards individuals that I sympathize for, well of course I'm going to tell them to open their eyes to the other perspective. And present that perspective. I've said I don't agree with obamas mandate for schools, I've said I think transition surgery should be a last resort after proper therapy, and I've laid out some pretty conservative ideas about the transition process including the need for a trans to have the matching gender defined on their ID for the facilities they use. I don't necessarily think they need complete surgery but they should be working with a medical professional and living the lifestyle and appearance as the gender that they are converting to for a qualifying amount of time. I don't think your interested in listening to me, you seem hellbent on discrediting me so you can feel superior from beating a leftie. Do what you need to do... I think the future will show that I'm closer to the realm of reality than you once things play out...

This 'woman' had all the therapy you seem to deem a safeguard, yet clearly there are serious unresolved mental health issues despite all the therapy, as 'she' attempted to burn down the clinic that treated 'her'. Would you want 'her' or anyone like 'her' using the ladies room with your 8 year old daughter?

 

[Silhouette]

"She's" beautiful.... ^^

 

[boedicca]

The Transgender Health industry preys on Autistic Teenagers:


My daughter, who is on the autism spectrum, as am I, is now 19 years old. She had felt (and told others) that she was a lesbian most of her life. When she was 16, she began watching a TV show called “Degrassi,” which featured an FtoM character. After a few weeks, she announced that she was not actually a butch lesbian, as she had previously said, but was in fact trans. She started attending a local PFLAG meeting, where she met many trans people, including a number of FtoM trans teenagers who were raving about a certain “gender therapist.” Although the APA recommends a minimum of one year of “gender counseling” before surgery, this gender therapist (whom I consented to, before really understanding what I was doing) gave my daughter the go-ahead to have a bilateral mastectomy after only two sessions. This gender specialist never reviewed any of the Special Ed records or spoke to my daughter’s previous therapist, who had known her for a decade. And, crucially, she never asked my daughter, “Might you be a lesbian?”

The gender therapist (whom I believe has an unholy financial alliance with the surgeon) gave my daughter (then 18 and one day) the go-ahead for the $30,000 surgery (covered for all university employees and their families where I work). My daughter is now on testosterone (which she clearly is unable to evaluate the risks and consequences of).

To give you some sense of my daughter’s level of understanding of what it means to transition, she told me recently that she believes that the testosterone “will grow her a penis.” I had to break the news to her that, although this is the mythology in the PFLAG meetings (where a number of the other young trans people are also autistic), this is not the case.

She has been taken advantage of. Healthy organs were amputated. This is insurance fraud, poor clinical practice, a violation of APA standards, unethical and unjust. It is a crime not just against women, but particularly against disabled women. So many of these young women who are “transitioning” are also autistic.

My daughter has a representative payee on her SSDI [disability] check, as it was felt that she was unable to handle her own money. This was of little concern to the gender therapist. I believe that once the therapist realized the “treatment” would be covered by the University of Michigan insurance, it was full speed ahead....

Social work professor speaks out on behalf of her FtM autistic daughter

 

[Slade3200]

In fact, as I review this entire thread, Slade in all the 192 pages, and amid the 1900 posts since your first post here, you have done nothing but argue for one side, in the name of 'objectivity.' There was one post if I recall, where you pleaded with one poster to pay attention to both sides, and then another where you turned around and started questioning those expressing concerns about privacy.

That's not objectivity.

I'm not going to dig through this novel of a thread right now to find my comments and prove myself to you. I've shown plenty of understanding and acknowledgment for privacy rights and presented some Common sense solutions. When I hear a bunch of dumbshits spouting out names and insults towards individuals that I sympathize for, well of course I'm going to tell them to open their eyes to the other perspective. And present that perspective. I've said I don't agree with obamas mandate for schools, I've said I think transition surgery should be a last resort after proper therapy, and I've laid out some pretty conservative ideas about the transition process including the need for a trans to have the matching gender defined on their ID for the facilities they use. I don't necessarily think they need complete surgery but they should be working with a medical professional and living the lifestyle and appearance as the gender that they are converting to for a qualifying amount of time. I don't think your interested in listening to me, you seem hellbent on discrediting me so you can feel superior from beating a leftie. Do what you need to do... I think the future will show that I'm closer to the realm of reality than you once things play out...

This 'woman' had all the therapy you seem to deem a safeguard, yet clearly there are serious unresolved mental health issues despite all the therapy, as 'she' attempted to burn down the clinic that treated 'her'. Would you want 'her' or anyone like 'her' using the ladies room with your 8 year old daughter?
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Of course not... Esp if she is an arsonist psychopath... I wouldn't want he/she to be alone on the shower with my 8 year old son either... Would you?
We can cherry pick it from both sides of you like but what's the point?

 

[Slade3200]

The Transgender Health industry preys on Autistic Teenagers:


My daughter, who is on the autism spectrum, as am I, is now 19 years old. She had felt (and told others) that she was a lesbian most of her life. When she was 16, she began watching a TV show called “Degrassi,” which featured an FtoM character. After a few weeks, she announced that she was not actually a butch lesbian, as she had previously said, but was in fact trans. She started attending a local PFLAG meeting, where she met many trans people, including a number of FtoM trans teenagers who were raving about a certain “gender therapist.” Although the APA recommends a minimum of one year of “gender counseling” before surgery, this gender therapist (whom I consented to, before really understanding what I was doing) gave my daughter the go-ahead to have a bilateral mastectomy after only two sessions. This gender specialist never reviewed any of the Special Ed records or spoke to my daughter’s previous therapist, who had known her for a decade. And, crucially, she never asked my daughter, “Might you be a lesbian?”

The gender therapist (whom I believe has an unholy financial alliance with the surgeon) gave my daughter (then 18 and one day) the go-ahead for the $30,000 surgery (covered for all university employees and their families where I work). My daughter is now on testosterone (which she clearly is unable to evaluate the risks and consequences of).

To give you some sense of my daughter’s level of understanding of what it means to transition, she told me recently that she believes that the testosterone “will grow her a penis.” I had to break the news to her that, although this is the mythology in the PFLAG meetings (where a number of the other young trans people are also autistic), this is not the case.

She has been taken advantage of. Healthy organs were amputated. This is insurance fraud, poor clinical practice, a violation of APA standards, unethical and unjust. It is a crime not just against women, but particularly against disabled women. So many of these young women who are “transitioning” are also autistic.

My daughter has a representative payee on her SSDI [disability] check, as it was felt that she was unable to handle her own money. This was of little concern to the gender therapist. I believe that once the therapist realized the “treatment” would be covered by the University of Michigan insurance, it was full speed ahead....

Social work professor speaks out on behalf of her FtM autistic daughter

That's a sad story and a complete abuse of power by the therapist if that's how the events went down. He/she should lose their license.