Meet the green who doubts ‘The Science’

[Bfgrn]

What I posted is very sound logical thinking, common sense and awareness of human nature. What you just posted is the longest string of mindless garbage, Jabberwocky and gibberish in thread HISTORY.

You ain't seen nothing yet, pedro. But I would say that your sound logical thinking, common sense and awareness of human nature are mambo dogface banana patch with bluebird flaming tinkleberries.

In other words, non-germane, and irrelevant to the conversation at hand. When someone asks you a question about the nature of climatology for instance, your response cannot be a treatise on why you like dragonflies.

Hence the lambasting of your excessive intellectual decrepitude.

ONE question pea brain...are you claiming the vast majority of climatologists and scientists, who spent years in college studying their chosen field, and working in the field at their craft have suddenly decided to throw that all away, and sign up for some leftist political agenda and agree to try to fool the public?

Now here's how a sane, rational and intelligent adult handles a direct question that is of some relation to the subject at hand.

I am not saying that the 'vast majority' of climatologists have decided to 'throw it all away'. I am saying that SOME climatologists, namely Hansen, Mann, Jones and a few dozen others have decided that political outcomes are more important than scientific truth. They have corrupted and allowed to be corrupted the peer review process by compatriots who were willing to take their work on face value, and be put off politely when questioned on HOW they did their testings, provide copies of their raw data and other rational, acceptable requests. These scientists then went with the assumption that Mann/Hansen/Jones and their associates involved were telling the truth and their science was accurate.

When it was discovered that political ideologues in the IPCC had corrupted that institution's work with using unsourced, un-peer reviewed activist propaganda as sources, many who had stood by the IPCC as well as their findings, reacted in quite appropriate horror.

Then the Climategate emails where the programmers left in the source code notes on how to FORCE data to give the conclusion desired by the warmists, there was now not only reasonable doubt in the science, but evidence of criminal fraud for the sake of both defrauding the world populace at large as well as corrupt scientific journals and organziations for the sake of political results and personal gain. (To a government 4 million is nothing, but to a research scientist... that's FOUR MILLION DOLLARS!!)

So there you have it. Politics corrupted the IPCC, East Anglia University, NOAA, NASA and was enabled by ignorance, trust and naivete that a few people would dare to do such horrible things. Combine this with political, industrial and commercial forces that stood and still stand to gain TRILLIONS of dollars in ill gotten funds due to the fraudulent science, are still applying pressure to get legislation passed to guarantee their revenue flow.

And you see now scientists who before would have defended these errant frauds with their lives now having to backpedel and say... maybe we were too hasty to take their words for it... in essence. And with new research, new 'unbelievers' are born and they are rapidly overtaking the currently stunted and stifled peer review process that has been made into a kangaroo court of pro-Anthropogenic Climate Change only.

This is what we have been saying for months... years now. Green is dead. Very dead. The dreams of getting global Fabian socialism rammed through on it's back is over, and even if it does pass before it all falls apart, it's just more mass in the air about to fall with the rest of the crumbling structure of global fascism that the left is so in love with.

There's your adult answer. If you want articles, be your own research monkey. Adults also do that too.

WOW...What you just presented is a huge leftist conspiracy...Pedro.

 

[westwall]

What I posted is very sound logical thinking, common sense and awareness of human nature. What you just posted is the longest string of mindless garbage, Jabberwocky and gibberish in thread HISTORY.

You ain't seen nothing yet, pedro. But I would say that your sound logical thinking, common sense and awareness of human nature are mambo dogface banana patch with bluebird flaming tinkleberries.

In other words, non-germane, and irrelevant to the conversation at hand. When someone asks you a question about the nature of climatology for instance, your response cannot be a treatise on why you like dragonflies.

Hence the lambasting of your excessive intellectual decrepitude.

ONE question pea brain...are you claiming the vast majority of climatologists and scientists, who spent years in college studying their chosen field, and working in the field at their craft have suddenly decided to throw that all away, and sign up for some leftist political agenda and agree to try to fool the public?

Now here's how a sane, rational and intelligent adult handles a direct question that is of some relation to the subject at hand.

I am not saying that the 'vast majority' of climatologists have decided to 'throw it all away'. I am saying that SOME climatologists, namely Hansen, Mann, Jones and a few dozen others have decided that political outcomes are more important than scientific truth. They have corrupted and allowed to be corrupted the peer review process by compatriots who were willing to take their work on face value, and be put off politely when questioned on HOW they did their testings, provide copies of their raw data and other rational, acceptable requests. These scientists then went with the assumption that Mann/Hansen/Jones and their associates involved were telling the truth and their science was accurate.

When it was discovered that political ideologues in the IPCC had corrupted that institution's work with using unsourced, un-peer reviewed activist propaganda as sources, many who had stood by the IPCC as well as their findings, reacted in quite appropriate horror.

Then the Climategate emails where the programmers left in the source code notes on how to FORCE data to give the conclusion desired by the warmists, there was now not only reasonable doubt in the science, but evidence of criminal fraud for the sake of both defrauding the world populace at large as well as corrupt scientific journals and organziations for the sake of political results and personal gain. (To a government 4 million is nothing, but to a research scientist... that's FOUR MILLION DOLLARS!!)

So there you have it. Politics corrupted the IPCC, East Anglia University, NOAA, NASA and was enabled by ignorance, trust and naivete that a few people would dare to do such horrible things. Combine this with political, industrial and commercial forces that stood and still stand to gain TRILLIONS of dollars in ill gotten funds due to the fraudulent science, are still applying pressure to get legislation passed to guarantee their revenue flow.

And you see now scientists who before would have defended these errant frauds with their lives now having to backpedel and say... maybe we were too hasty to take their words for it... in essence. And with new research, new 'unbelievers' are born and they are rapidly overtaking the currently stunted and stifled peer review process that has been made into a kangaroo court of pro-Anthropogenic Climate Change only.

This is what we have been saying for months... years now. Green is dead. Very dead. The dreams of getting global Fabian socialism rammed through on it's back is over, and even if it does pass before it all falls apart, it's just more mass in the air about to fall with the rest of the crumbling structure of global fascism that the left is so in love with.

There's your adult answer. If you want articles, be your own research monkey. Adults also do that too.

WOW...What you just presented is a huge leftist conspiracy...Pedro.

No, the wow is directed at you gbrfn or whatever you handle is. Would the words of Matt Ridley the preeminent UK science writer who was originally a HUGE AGW proponent and has now realised that he was lied to make a difference to your difficult job of figuring out what is correct? I doubt it but what the hell, I'll try one time.

Discovery News - Brit Science Writer Loses Statist Faith

 

[gslack]

Be careful if you upset Bfgrn, he will go get his brother to attack you from the side...LOL

You know his brother, Gosuxbfgrn?

 

[Big Fitz]

Be careful if you upset Bfgrn, he will go get his brother to attack you from the side...LOL

You know his brother, Gosuxbfgrn?

I give a solid answer, he wigs out cause he doesn't friggen get it. Not surprised. I've warn pants with higher IQs than him.

 

[Bfgrn]

Be careful if you upset Bfgrn, he will go get his brother to attack you from the side...LOL

You know his brother, Gosuxbfgrn?

I give a solid answer, he wigs out cause he doesn't friggen get it. Not surprised. I've warn pants with higher IQs than him.

Solid?????????? A pair of pants could forward a more sane answer...it is nothing but lunatic conspiracy babble.

Let me ask you a few questions...

Do you want green to be dead?

Can you think of any huge industries, large corporations or mining cartels that would benefit from green being dead? Have they sat by idle, benevolent and benignly watched the debate on climate change?

 

[Big Fitz]

Be careful if you upset Bfgrn, he will go get his brother to attack you from the side...LOL

You know his brother, Gosuxbfgrn?

I give a solid answer, he wigs out cause he doesn't friggen get it. Not surprised. I've warn pants with higher IQs than him.

Solid?????????? A pair of pants could forward a more sane answer...it is nothing but lunatic conspiracy babble.

Let me ask you a few questions...

Do you want green to be dead?

Can you think of any huge industries, large corporations or mining cartels that would benefit from green being dead? Have they sat by idle, benevolent and benignly watched the debate on climate change?

Butch up, Sally Frillypants and quit being such a reactionary.

Yes, I want green dead if it cannot survive in a free and open market. It deserves to be extinct along with all it's adherents. Green solutions will succeed only if they do the followings:

Be bigger
better
faster
stronger
cheaper
more efficient
more functional
more ergonomic
more practical
more productive.

You do those things, and the world will beat a path to your door. The instant you force a green solution that is none of those things, you will fail and deserve to fail.

Economic realities obeyed, mankind at the top, and western civilization first. That's what I want.

If you want to sit and hyperventilate about inflammatory accusations and shrieks of "Haliburton", I've no time for your nonsense. I'm not into your conspiratorial nonsense. If you want to say that all deniers are oil company shills, you're a bigger fool than I gave you credit for.

 

[westwall]

Be careful if you upset Bfgrn, he will go get his brother to attack you from the side...LOL

You know his brother, Gosuxbfgrn?

I give a solid answer, he wigs out cause he doesn't friggen get it. Not surprised. I've warn pants with higher IQs than him.

Solid?????????? A pair of pants could forward a more sane answer...it is nothing but lunatic conspiracy babble.

Let me ask you a few questions...

Do you want green to be dead?

Can you think of any huge industries, large corporations or mining cartels that would benefit from green being dead? Have they sat by idle, benevolent and benignly watched the debate on climate change?

If "green" continues on it's self destructive path, absolutely. I suggest you look up the Kaibab Plateau experiment, and look up the MTBE debacle. When the green movement destroys an entire plateau because they don't understand how the world actually functions one should take note. When the green movement (aided and abeted by Chevron) poisons thousands of aquifers throughout the US in a misguided attempt to clean the air....one should review the greens methodology...because they pretty damn obviously failed.

There are many, many more examples of how "greens" have screwed up or utterly destroyed the very thing they claim to be trying to save.

 

[Bfgrn]

I give a solid answer, he wigs out cause he doesn't friggen get it. Not surprised. I've warn pants with higher IQs than him.

Solid?????????? A pair of pants could forward a more sane answer...it is nothing but lunatic conspiracy babble.

Let me ask you a few questions...

Do you want green to be dead?

Can you think of any huge industries, large corporations or mining cartels that would benefit from green being dead? Have they sat by idle, benevolent and benignly watched the debate on climate change?

Butch up, Sally Frillypants and quit being such a reactionary.

Yes, I want green dead if it cannot survive in a free and open market. It deserves to be extinct along with all it's adherents. Green solutions will succeed only if they do the followings:

Be bigger
better
faster
stronger
cheaper
more efficient
more functional
more ergonomic
more practical
more productive.

You do those things, and the world will beat a path to your door. The instant you force a green solution that is none of those things, you will fail and deserve to fail.

Economic realities obeyed, mankind at the top, and western civilization first. That's what I want.

If you want to sit and hyperventilate about inflammatory accusations and shrieks of "Haliburton", I've no time for your nonsense. I'm not into your conspiratorial nonsense. If you want to say that all deniers are oil company shills, you're a bigger fool than I gave you credit for.

You are most definitely into conspiratorial nonsense. But in your little world, only leftists are dangerous and evil.

Words like clean, biodegradable and non-toxic are the phrases us evil people use.

The largest polluters on this planet love ignorant slobs like you...a free market utopian paradise is what they feed you, while they increase their profits by externalizing their costs onto YOU, me and every taxpayer.

You are a simple minded ideologue. You have absolutely no understanding of human nature, human foible or what a REAL free market is. You are the fool that only look one way when he crosses the street, you never see the corporate semi that kills you...

Green is not dead...but America will be. While other countries like China and the Republic of Korea are investing huge amounts of money in green technology, America is investing huge amounts of money in military spending and continues to bank our national security on trusting the very people our military is targeting to sell us oil.

 

[gslack]

Solid?????????? A pair of pants could forward a more sane answer...it is nothing but lunatic conspiracy babble.

Let me ask you a few questions...

Do you want green to be dead?

Can you think of any huge industries, large corporations or mining cartels that would benefit from green being dead? Have they sat by idle, benevolent and benignly watched the debate on climate change?

Butch up, Sally Frillypants and quit being such a reactionary.

Yes, I want green dead if it cannot survive in a free and open market. It deserves to be extinct along with all it's adherents. Green solutions will succeed only if they do the followings:

Be bigger
better
faster
stronger
cheaper
more efficient
more functional
more ergonomic
more practical
more productive.

You do those things, and the world will beat a path to your door. The instant you force a green solution that is none of those things, you will fail and deserve to fail.

Economic realities obeyed, mankind at the top, and western civilization first. That's what I want.

If you want to sit and hyperventilate about inflammatory accusations and shrieks of "Haliburton", I've no time for your nonsense. I'm not into your conspiratorial nonsense. If you want to say that all deniers are oil company shills, you're a bigger fool than I gave you credit for.

You are most definitely into conspiratorial nonsense. But in your little world, only leftists are dangerous and evil.

Words like clean, biodegradable and non-toxic are the phrases us evil people use.

The largest polluters on this planet love ignorant slobs like you...a free market utopian paradise is what they feed you, while they increase their profits by externalizing their costs onto YOU, me and every taxpayer.

You are a simple minded ideologue. You have absolutely no understanding of human nature, human foible or what a REAL free market is. You are the fool that only look one way when he crosses the street, you never see the corporate semi that kills you...

Green is not dead...but America will be. While other countries like China and the Republic of Korea are investing huge amounts of money in green technology, America is investing huge amounts of money in military spending and continues to bank our national security on trusting the very people our military is targeting to sell us oil.

Yeah that sounds familiar from you.... oh yeah thats right it was your claim against me when I had a different view than you own....

Get over yourself already tool... The truth is not on MSNBC or any other network, and what you think you know amounts to shit... You tried your little bullshit song and dance with me and caught lying about my sources and cut up quotes from me to sell it....

You are a dishonest little ego-driven schmuck who think hes far more knowledgeable than he really is... Face it, fitzy as well as so many others showed you how little you really know, and now you are trying to dishonestly paint an inaccurate picture of what was said or implied.. you have tried this tactic before on here, and it still won't work...

 

[Bfgrn]

Butch up, Sally Frillypants and quit being such a reactionary.

Yes, I want green dead if it cannot survive in a free and open market. It deserves to be extinct along with all it's adherents. Green solutions will succeed only if they do the followings:

Be bigger
better
faster
stronger
cheaper
more efficient
more functional
more ergonomic
more practical
more productive.

You do those things, and the world will beat a path to your door. The instant you force a green solution that is none of those things, you will fail and deserve to fail.

Economic realities obeyed, mankind at the top, and western civilization first. That's what I want.

If you want to sit and hyperventilate about inflammatory accusations and shrieks of "Haliburton", I've no time for your nonsense. I'm not into your conspiratorial nonsense. If you want to say that all deniers are oil company shills, you're a bigger fool than I gave you credit for.

You are most definitely into conspiratorial nonsense. But in your little world, only leftists are dangerous and evil.

Words like clean, biodegradable and non-toxic are the phrases us evil people use.

The largest polluters on this planet love ignorant slobs like you...a free market utopian paradise is what they feed you, while they increase their profits by externalizing their costs onto YOU, me and every taxpayer.

You are a simple minded ideologue. You have absolutely no understanding of human nature, human foible or what a REAL free market is. You are the fool that only look one way when he crosses the street, you never see the corporate semi that kills you...

Green is not dead...but America will be. While other countries like China and the Republic of Korea are investing huge amounts of money in green technology, America is investing huge amounts of money in military spending and continues to bank our national security on trusting the very people our military is targeting to sell us oil.

Yeah that sounds familiar from you.... oh yeah thats right it was your claim against me when I had a different view than you own....

Get over yourself already tool... The truth is not on MSNBC or any other network, and what you think you know amounts to shit... You tried your little bullshit song and dance with me and caught lying about my sources and cut up quotes from me to sell it....

You are a dishonest little ego-driven schmuck who think hes far more knowledgeable than he really is... Face it, fitzy as well as so many others showed you how little you really know, and now you are trying to dishonestly paint an inaccurate picture of what was said or implied.. you have tried this tactic before on here, and it still won't work...

I have never seen a person project as much as you...every thread, every post and every sentence is always about YOU...what someone did to YOU, what someone said to YOU.

You need to get a LIFE...and seek out a competent psychiatrist. You have a major personality disorder.

 

[gslack]

You are most definitely into conspiratorial nonsense. But in your little world, only leftists are dangerous and evil.

Words like clean, biodegradable and non-toxic are the phrases us evil people use.

The largest polluters on this planet love ignorant slobs like you...a free market utopian paradise is what they feed you, while they increase their profits by externalizing their costs onto YOU, me and every taxpayer.

You are a simple minded ideologue. You have absolutely no understanding of human nature, human foible or what a REAL free market is. You are the fool that only look one way when he crosses the street, you never see the corporate semi that kills you...

Green is not dead...but America will be. While other countries like China and the Republic of Korea are investing huge amounts of money in green technology, America is investing huge amounts of money in military spending and continues to bank our national security on trusting the very people our military is targeting to sell us oil.

Yeah that sounds familiar from you.... oh yeah thats right it was your claim against me when I had a different view than you own....

Get over yourself already tool... The truth is not on MSNBC or any other network, and what you think you know amounts to shit... You tried your little bullshit song and dance with me and caught lying about my sources and cut up quotes from me to sell it....

You are a dishonest little ego-driven schmuck who think hes far more knowledgeable than he really is... Face it, fitzy as well as so many others showed you how little you really know, and now you are trying to dishonestly paint an inaccurate picture of what was said or implied.. you have tried this tactic before on here, and it still won't work...

I have never seen a person project as much as you...every thread, every post and every sentence is always about YOU...what someone did to YOU, what someone said to YOU.

You need to get a LIFE...and seek out a competent psychiatrist. You have a major personality disorder.

LOL oh really???

THen why did you and your pal spend all night crying about me to others in another thread? yeah, and I notice you conveniently try and dismiss it all despite the thread still being there and despite how telling it is..... you are an idiot man.....

 

[Oddball]

So there you have it. Politics corrupted the IPCC, East Anglia University, NOAA, NASA and was enabled by ignorance, trust and naivete that a few people would dare to do such horrible things. Combine this with political, industrial and commercial forces that stood and still stand to gain TRILLIONS of dollars in ill gotten funds due to the fraudulent science, are still applying pressure to get legislation passed to guarantee their revenue flow.

And you see now scientists who before would have defended these errant frauds with their lives now having to backpedel and say... maybe we were too hasty to take their words for it... in essence. And with new research, new 'unbelievers' are born and they are rapidly overtaking the currently stunted and stifled peer review process that has been made into a kangaroo court of pro-Anthropogenic Climate Change only.

This is what we have been saying for months... years now. Green is dead. Very dead. The dreams of getting global Fabian socialism rammed through on it's back is over, and even if it does pass before it all falls apart, it's just more mass in the air about to fall with the rest of the crumbling structure of global fascism that the left is so in love with.

There's your adult answer. If you want articles, be your own research monkey. Adults also do that too.

Presence is as prescience sez:

June 11 (Bloomberg) -- Carbon dioxide permits in the U.S. Northeast’s cap-and-trade program tumbled to a record low price at auction amid a surplus of the pollution rights and doubts that Congress will create a national emissions market this year.

The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative sold 40.7 million permits for $1.88 each, 19 cents lower than the last auction held in March and 2 cents above the minimum allowable bid, the cap-and-trade program said on its website today.

<snip>

With the “low probability” of Congress enacting a federal cap-and-trade market for carbon dioxide this year, prices are falling closer to $1.86 faster than expected, he said. “Everyone in the market knows this thing is heading to $1.86; it’s just when are we going to get there.”

In secondary market trading, December-delivered permits fell 10 cents, or 4.9 percent, to a record low of $1.96 each on the Chicago Climate Futures Exchange.

U.S. Northeast Carbon Permits Draw Record Low Price (Update4) - BusinessWeek

 

[Bfgrn]

Yeah that sounds familiar from you.... oh yeah thats right it was your claim against me when I had a different view than you own....

Get over yourself already tool... The truth is not on MSNBC or any other network, and what you think you know amounts to shit... You tried your little bullshit song and dance with me and caught lying about my sources and cut up quotes from me to sell it....

You are a dishonest little ego-driven schmuck who think hes far more knowledgeable than he really is... Face it, fitzy as well as so many others showed you how little you really know, and now you are trying to dishonestly paint an inaccurate picture of what was said or implied.. you have tried this tactic before on here, and it still won't work...

I have never seen a person project as much as you...every thread, every post and every sentence is always about YOU...what someone did to YOU, what someone said to YOU.

You need to get a LIFE...and seek out a competent psychiatrist. You have a major personality disorder.

LOL oh really???

THen why did you and your pal spend all night crying about me to others in another thread? yeah, and I notice you conveniently try and dismiss it all despite the thread still being there and despite how telling it is..... you are an idiot man.....

Hey Joan of Arc, you are delusional and suffer from a 'victim-hood' or persecution mentality...please write these things down so a psychiatrist can make a diagnosis.

 

[Big Fitz]

Still won't answer the question, I see.

Here's the issue Jethro...'peer review' is 'so corrupted as to be laughable and worthy of suspicion every time it is brought up.'

Bring me the best proof your little pea brain can muster that it is corrupted...

If that isn't clear, have the butler go find mommy or daddy...

Moron, we will be more than happy to attempt to do so... well some of us, I'm not going to bother...

BUT you must do ONE LITTLE THING...

Tell us what sources you will ACCEPT even if you disagree with it... as 'real', 'true' and 'accurate'.

WHEN you do that, I suspect Westwall, Dude and GSlack among a few others will be happy to provide you with data, assuming your sources are able to be shown as honest vendors of data as well. For instance, if you claim the IPCC, NASA and EAU Climate Research, are the only sources you will trust, then this discussion cannot continue for you have chosen politically corrupted source and refuse to listen to any other.

So, once again... PROVIDE A LIST OF TRUSTED SOURCES YOU WOULD ACCEPT DATA FROM SO THEY CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION YOU REQUEST.

My money is on you won't accept anything that doesn't validate your beliefs because your desire to create global fascism outweighs any desire you have to know truth.

 

[Bfgrn]

Still won't answer the question, I see.

Here's the issue Jethro...'peer review' is 'so corrupted as to be laughable and worthy of suspicion every time it is brought up.'

Bring me the best proof your little pea brain can muster that it is corrupted...

If that isn't clear, have the butler go find mommy or daddy...

Moron, we will be more than happy to attempt to do so... well some of us, I'm not going to bother...

BUT you must do ONE LITTLE THING...

Tell us what sources you will ACCEPT even if you disagree with it... as 'real', 'true' and 'accurate'.

WHEN you do that, I suspect Westwall, Dude and GSlack among a few others will be happy to provide you with data, assuming your sources are able to be shown as honest vendors of data as well. For instance, if you claim the IPCC, NASA and EAU Climate Research, are the only sources you will trust, then this discussion cannot continue for you have chosen politically corrupted source and refuse to listen to any other.

So, once again... PROVIDE A LIST OF TRUSTED SOURCES YOU WOULD ACCEPT DATA FROM SO THEY CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION YOU REQUEST.

My money is on you won't accept anything that doesn't validate your beliefs because your desire to create global fascism outweighs any desire you have to know truth.

You really are clueless to the real world. You remind me of one of my favorite quotes. You are NOT a thinking man, you are a conspiracy KOOK and a far right wing moron.

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
Albert Camus

 

[Oddball]

Translation: I got nothin'.

 

[Bfgrn]

Translation: I got nothin'.

Translation...if you and your pea brain coalition are THAT naive and stupid to believe huge corporate interests haven't been represented in the climate change debate. Or that those same corporations making billions of dollars in profit from delaying or undermining clean energy legislation are not spending millions of dollars to discredit the REAL scientists, then maybe we need to start by teaching you to cross the street without adult supervision.

 

[westwall]

Translation: I got nothin'.

Translation...if you and your pea brain coalition are THAT naive and stupid to believe huge corporate interests haven't been represented in the climate change debate. Or that those same corporations making billions of dollars in profit from delaying or undermining clean energy legislation are not spending millions of dollars to discredit the REAL scientists, then maybe we need to start by teaching you to cross the street without adult supervision.

Hey bfgrn,

Cat got your tongue? I notice you studiously ignoring my posts...how about answering those. Oh wait that's right you can't because they verify everything you say is a lie....I get it.

 

[Big Fitz]

here's the issue jethro...'peer review' is 'so corrupted as to be laughable and worthy of suspicion every time it is brought up.'

bring me the best proof your little pea brain can muster that it is corrupted...

If that isn't clear, have the butler go find mommy or daddy...

moron, we will be more than happy to attempt to do so... Well some of us, i'm not going to bother...

But you must do one little thing...

Tell us what sources you will accept even if you disagree with it... As 'real', 'true' and 'accurate'.

When you do that, i suspect westwall, dude and gslack among a few others will be happy to provide you with data, assuming your sources are able to be shown as honest vendors of data as well. For instance, if you claim the ipcc, nasa and eau climate research, are the only sources you will trust, then this discussion cannot continue for you have chosen politically corrupted source and refuse to listen to any other.

So, once again... Provide a list of trusted sources you would accept data from so they can provide you with information you request.

My money is on you won't accept anything that doesn't validate your beliefs because your desire to create global fascism outweighs any desire you have to know truth.

you really are clueless to the real world. You remind me of one of my favorite quotes. You are not a thinking man, you are a conspiracy kook and a far right wing moron.

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
Albert camus

provide the list chickenshit, admit to being an intellectual fraud on this subject or shut the fuck up.

 

[Bfgrn]

Translation: I got nothin'.

Translation...if you and your pea brain coalition are THAT naive and stupid to believe huge corporate interests haven't been represented in the climate change debate. Or that those same corporations making billions of dollars in profit from delaying or undermining clean energy legislation are not spending millions of dollars to discredit the REAL scientists, then maybe we need to start by teaching you to cross the street without adult supervision.

Hey bfgrn,

Cat got your tongue? I notice you studiously ignoring my posts...how about answering those. Oh wait that's right you can't because they verify everything you say is a lie....I get it.

Actually, you are the only one that has presented any valid points. I did find an article on the MTBE debacle. The EPA really fucked up. They were making an honest effort to reduce airborne pollution, which they accomplished by adding MTBE to gasoline. But they didn't listen to their own scientists that the chemical properties of MTBE made it likely that, if leaked or spilled, the gasoline additive would find its way into groundwater, where it would quickly spread. That is not acceptable.

But here is a question for you to ponder...do you believe the manufacturers of MTBE were ALSO aware of it's dangers? And if they were, should they be responsible to make those dangers known, or are they only responsible to the shareholders and profit margins?