Medical Malpractice the Third Leading Cause of Death in the USA

JimBowie1958

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This is a very interesting piece of research.

Researchers: Medical errors now third leading cause of death in United States
Nightmare stories of nurses giving potent drugs meant for one patient to another and surgeons removing the wrong body parts have dominated recent headlines about medical care. Lest you assume those cases are the exceptions, a new study by patient safety researchers provides some context.

Their analysis, published in the BMJ on Tuesday, shows that "medical errors" in hospitals and other health care facilities are incredibly common and may now be the third leading cause of death in the United States -- claiming 251,000 lives every year, more than respiratory disease, accidents, stroke and Alzheimer's.

Martin Makary, a professor of surgery at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine who led the research, said in an interview that the category includes everything from bad doctors to more systemic issues such as communication breakdowns when patients are handed off from one department to another.

"It boils down to people dying from the care that they receive rather than the disease for which they are seeking care," Makary said...

Moreover, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention doesn't require reporting of errors in the data it collects about deaths through billing codes, making it hard to see what's going on at the national level.

The CDC should update its vital statistics reporting requirements so that physicians must report whether there was any error that led to a preventable death, Makary said.

"We all know how common it is," he said. "We also know how infrequently it’s openly discussed."


I have had my own experience with medical malpractice, but the tort laws in Virginia prevent me from recovering anything close to what would bother an incompetent physician. At a $100,000 cap, the lawyers down here only take sure wins with a clean track record, because they cannot afford to risk the losses on complicated cases.

But medical malpractice is huge and the insurance high because of the INCOMPETENCE more than the affect of ambulance chasing lawyers.
 
Here is the kicker.

When doctors kill out of gross negligence.....the media doesnt plaster their faces all over the news and demand they be arrested the same way they do when cops kill out of gross negligence.
 
Here is the kicker.

When doctors kill out of gross negligence.....the media doesnt plaster their faces all over the news and demand they be arrested the same way they do when cops kill out of gross negligence.

I get the felling that is because it doesnt sell. People are terrified of going into surgery enough as it is, let alone with facts about how common medical fuck ups are.
 
Many times the staff doesn't speak English and cannot understand the instructions given to them.
 
First - errors do not equal malpractice.

Second - the more complicated the system, the more errors will be made. Errors are absolutely common when caring for critically ill patients.

Third - The "results" say errors MAY be the cause of this many. It would be an oversimplification to state that every error causes all of these deaths.

Lastly - much of what lay people call "errors" have nothing to do with incompetence. How much fentanyl do you give a little old lady with hip pain who is writhing in agony? Just enough to take away the pain, but not enough to send her into respiratory depression. That can be a very, very small target to hit, but if you don't hit it right the metrics will say you made an "error".
 
First - errors do not equal malpractice.

Second - the more complicated the system, the more errors will be made. Errors are absolutely common when caring for critically ill patients.

Third - The "results" say errors MAY be the cause of this many. It would be an oversimplification to state that every error causes all of these deaths.

Lastly - much of what lay people call "errors" have nothing to do with incompetence. How much fentanyl do you give a little old lady with hip pain who is writhing in agony? Just enough to take away the pain, but not enough to send her into respiratory depression. That can be a very, very small target to hit, but if you don't hit it right the metrics will say you made an "error".

How much fentanyl do you give a little old lady with hip pain who is writhing in agony? Just enough to take away the pain, but not enough to send her into respiratory depression. That can be a very, very small target to hit, but if you don't hit it right the metrics will say you made an "error".

Sounds like a job for Narcan!

I wonder if it's any worse since Reagan deregulated the industry.
 
First - errors do not equal malpractice.

Second - the more complicated the system, the more errors will be made. Errors are absolutely common when caring for critically ill patients.

Third - The "results" say errors MAY be the cause of this many. It would be an oversimplification to state that every error causes all of these deaths.

Lastly - much of what lay people call "errors" have nothing to do with incompetence. How much fentanyl do you give a little old lady with hip pain who is writhing in agony? Just enough to take away the pain, but not enough to send her into respiratory depression. That can be a very, very small target to hit, but if you don't hit it right the metrics will say you made an "error".

All good points, but I think most people would consider medical errors that cause death the definition of malpractice. But I guess that depends a lot on whether youare the patient or the doctor/nurse.

As to point three, the article says that about a quarter of a million DEATHS are caused each year by medical screw ups, nothing more nothing less.

Besides this isnt the first we have heard such news, so itisnt exactly an unheard of thing.

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How Many Die From Medical Mistakes in U.S. Hospitals?
 
It's all about how you measure stuff.

I'm all about finding ways to reduce medical errors, but I think most of this is media hype.
 
Yup half a million dead due to medical mistakes is simply media hype and to be forgiven. 11000 dead by firearms is an epidemic and should result in the loss of a protected right.
 
From the BMJ article itself: "Medical error has been defined as an unintended act (either of omission or commission) or one that does not achieve its intended outcome...."

Most people die in hospitals. Most people in hospitals who die have some sort of medical act or treatment whose goal is to stave off death. With the definition used in this metaanalysis, everyone who is not on hospice/comfort care who dies has died due to a medical error.

If it sounds too ridiculous to be true, it probably is. Doctors gave up their young adulthood to be in an unbelieveably long and stringent educational system so that they can help you live long and healthy lives.
 
There are three kinds of lies:

Lies,

Damned lies,

and Statistics.

Any death in a hospital can be classified as a "medical error" and that's obviously what these "researchers" did.

"Error" does not equal "Malpractice" so the OP mislabeled the thread, probably deliberately.

"Malpractice" means "negligence" which means to fall below the standard of care of a physician practicing in the same medical field in the same locality.

The vast majority of "medical errors" are NOT "medical malpractice." A "medical error" can happen even if a physician is meeting the applicable standard of care.

This "research" was probably funded by the medical malpractice plaintiffs' bar, or someone else who is trying to stir up business for plaintiffs' attorneys.
 

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