McDonalds Introduces Self Serving Kiosks in Response to Min Wage Increase

[danielpalos]

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

why do you care? Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. Not enough corporate raiding in it for you.

 

[hadit]

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

Business has made undue profits off of cheap labor for the last eight years
Time for the pendulum to swing the other way

You whine about what is the potential sacrifices business would have to make while you ignore the sacrifices low wage employees have made over the last eight years

"Undue"? Decided by whom? Do you REALLY not understand who will suffer the most when businesses have massive cost increases? Do you actually believe you can arbitrarily double labor costs and businesses will continue operating as before with the same workforce? A final question, did you learn nothing from the Obamadon'tcare debacle? Businesses faced a big increase in costs, so how did they cope? A whole lot of workers went from full time to part time and lost a lot of hours. A bunch more lost their employer provided health insurance. Double the MW overnight and the same thing will happen, only on a larger scale.

You're making an emotional plea that's not supported by reality.

 

[hadit]

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

why do you care? Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. Not enough corporate raiding in it for you.

Irrelevant as usual. Please at least TRY to address the topic.

 

[rightwinger]

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

Business has made undue profits off of cheap labor for the last eight years
Time for the pendulum to swing the other way

You whine about what is the potential sacrifices business would have to make while you ignore the sacrifices low wage employees have made over the last eight years

"Undue"? Decided by whom? Do you REALLY not understand who will suffer the most when businesses have massive cost increases? Do you actually believe you can arbitrarily double labor costs and businesses will continue operating as before with the same workforce? A final question, did you learn nothing from the Obamadon'tcare debacle? Businesses faced a big increase in costs, so how did they cope? A whole lot of workers went from full time to part time and lost a lot of hours. A bunch more lost their employer provided health insurance. Double the MW overnight and the same thing will happen, only on a larger scale.

You're making an emotional plea that's not supported by reality.

Undue as in profits that resulted from utilizing a workforce that has had it's wages frozen for eight years

 

[hadit]

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

Business has made undue profits off of cheap labor for the last eight years
Time for the pendulum to swing the other way

You whine about what is the potential sacrifices business would have to make while you ignore the sacrifices low wage employees have made over the last eight years

"Undue"? Decided by whom? Do you REALLY not understand who will suffer the most when businesses have massive cost increases? Do you actually believe you can arbitrarily double labor costs and businesses will continue operating as before with the same workforce? A final question, did you learn nothing from the Obamadon'tcare debacle? Businesses faced a big increase in costs, so how did they cope? A whole lot of workers went from full time to part time and lost a lot of hours. A bunch more lost their employer provided health insurance. Double the MW overnight and the same thing will happen, only on a larger scale.

You're making an emotional plea that's not supported by reality.

Undue as in profits that resulted from utilizing a workforce that has had it's wages frozen for eight years

Do you understand that if you arbitrarily double labor costs overnight, millions of workers will lose their jobs, prices will go up and many businesses will close? If you want to jack MW to $15/hr, you're going to have to do it slowly.

 

[danielpalos]

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

why do you care? Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. Not enough corporate raiding in it for you.

Irrelevant as usual. Please at least TRY to address the topic.

completely relevant. why do you care? capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment; are you thinking of going, "socialist", to eliminate it?

 

[hadit]

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

why do you care? Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. Not enough corporate raiding in it for you.

Irrelevant as usual. Please at least TRY to address the topic.

completely relevant. why do you care? capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment; are you thinking of going, "socialist", to eliminate it?

Back to the subject at hand, do you REALLY think you can arbitrarily and suddenly double the MW, impacting well over half the working population, and see no negative effects on jobs?

 

[rightwinger]

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

Business has made undue profits off of cheap labor for the last eight years
Time for the pendulum to swing the other way

You whine about what is the potential sacrifices business would have to make while you ignore the sacrifices low wage employees have made over the last eight years

"Undue"? Decided by whom? Do you REALLY not understand who will suffer the most when businesses have massive cost increases? Do you actually believe you can arbitrarily double labor costs and businesses will continue operating as before with the same workforce? A final question, did you learn nothing from the Obamadon'tcare debacle? Businesses faced a big increase in costs, so how did they cope? A whole lot of workers went from full time to part time and lost a lot of hours. A bunch more lost their employer provided health insurance. Double the MW overnight and the same thing will happen, only on a larger scale.

You're making an emotional plea that's not supported by reality.

Undue as in profits that resulted from utilizing a workforce that has had it's wages frozen for eight years

Do you understand that if you arbitrarily double labor costs overnight, millions of workers will lose their jobs, prices will go up and many businesses will close? If you want to jack MW to $15/hr, you're going to have to do it slowly.

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

 

[hadit]

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

Business has made undue profits off of cheap labor for the last eight years
Time for the pendulum to swing the other way

You whine about what is the potential sacrifices business would have to make while you ignore the sacrifices low wage employees have made over the last eight years

"Undue"? Decided by whom? Do you REALLY not understand who will suffer the most when businesses have massive cost increases? Do you actually believe you can arbitrarily double labor costs and businesses will continue operating as before with the same workforce? A final question, did you learn nothing from the Obamadon'tcare debacle? Businesses faced a big increase in costs, so how did they cope? A whole lot of workers went from full time to part time and lost a lot of hours. A bunch more lost their employer provided health insurance. Double the MW overnight and the same thing will happen, only on a larger scale.

You're making an emotional plea that's not supported by reality.

Undue as in profits that resulted from utilizing a workforce that has had it's wages frozen for eight years

Do you understand that if you arbitrarily double labor costs overnight, millions of workers will lose their jobs, prices will go up and many businesses will close? If you want to jack MW to $15/hr, you're going to have to do it slowly.

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

 

[danielpalos]

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

why do you care? Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. Not enough corporate raiding in it for you.

Irrelevant as usual. Please at least TRY to address the topic.

completely relevant. why do you care? capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment; are you thinking of going, "socialist", to eliminate it?

Back to the subject at hand, do you REALLY think you can arbitrarily and suddenly double the MW, impacting well over half the working population, and see no negative effects on jobs?

only the national socialist right wing has no solutions. the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

 

[hadit]

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

why do you care? Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. Not enough corporate raiding in it for you.

Irrelevant as usual. Please at least TRY to address the topic.

completely relevant. why do you care? capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment; are you thinking of going, "socialist", to eliminate it?

Back to the subject at hand, do you REALLY think you can arbitrarily and suddenly double the MW, impacting well over half the working population, and see no negative effects on jobs?

only the national socialist right wing has no solutions. the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

Run out of arguments again?

 

[danielpalos]

why do you care? Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. Not enough corporate raiding in it for you.

Irrelevant as usual. Please at least TRY to address the topic.

completely relevant. why do you care? capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment; are you thinking of going, "socialist", to eliminate it?

Back to the subject at hand, do you REALLY think you can arbitrarily and suddenly double the MW, impacting well over half the working population, and see no negative effects on jobs?

only the national socialist right wing has no solutions. the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

Run out of arguments again?

projecting much? the right wing only has, nothing but repeal instead of better solutions at lower cost.

the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

 

[rightwinger]

Business has made undue profits off of cheap labor for the last eight years
Time for the pendulum to swing the other way

You whine about what is the potential sacrifices business would have to make while you ignore the sacrifices low wage employees have made over the last eight years

"Undue"? Decided by whom? Do you REALLY not understand who will suffer the most when businesses have massive cost increases? Do you actually believe you can arbitrarily double labor costs and businesses will continue operating as before with the same workforce? A final question, did you learn nothing from the Obamadon'tcare debacle? Businesses faced a big increase in costs, so how did they cope? A whole lot of workers went from full time to part time and lost a lot of hours. A bunch more lost their employer provided health insurance. Double the MW overnight and the same thing will happen, only on a larger scale.

You're making an emotional plea that's not supported by reality.

Undue as in profits that resulted from utilizing a workforce that has had it's wages frozen for eight years

Do you understand that if you arbitrarily double labor costs overnight, millions of workers will lose their jobs, prices will go up and many businesses will close? If you want to jack MW to $15/hr, you're going to have to do it slowly.

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

 

[hadit]

"Undue"? Decided by whom? Do you REALLY not understand who will suffer the most when businesses have massive cost increases? Do you actually believe you can arbitrarily double labor costs and businesses will continue operating as before with the same workforce? A final question, did you learn nothing from the Obamadon'tcare debacle? Businesses faced a big increase in costs, so how did they cope? A whole lot of workers went from full time to part time and lost a lot of hours. A bunch more lost their employer provided health insurance. Double the MW overnight and the same thing will happen, only on a larger scale.

You're making an emotional plea that's not supported by reality.

Undue as in profits that resulted from utilizing a workforce that has had it's wages frozen for eight years

Do you understand that if you arbitrarily double labor costs overnight, millions of workers will lose their jobs, prices will go up and many businesses will close? If you want to jack MW to $15/hr, you're going to have to do it slowly.

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

That's one solution that would avoid sudden large increases. It would, however, become an inflation driver, as labor costs would regularly increase.

I also predict dissatisfaction and clamor for larger, faster increases that would, once again, become a political football.

 

[hadit]

Irrelevant as usual. Please at least TRY to address the topic.

completely relevant. why do you care? capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment; are you thinking of going, "socialist", to eliminate it?

Back to the subject at hand, do you REALLY think you can arbitrarily and suddenly double the MW, impacting well over half the working population, and see no negative effects on jobs?

only the national socialist right wing has no solutions. the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

Run out of arguments again?

projecting much? the right wing only has, nothing but repeal instead of better solutions at lower cost.

the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

AKA, welfare.

 

[danielpalos]

completely relevant. why do you care? capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment; are you thinking of going, "socialist", to eliminate it?

Back to the subject at hand, do you REALLY think you can arbitrarily and suddenly double the MW, impacting well over half the working population, and see no negative effects on jobs?

only the national socialist right wing has no solutions. the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

Run out of arguments again?

projecting much? the right wing only has, nothing but repeal instead of better solutions at lower cost.

the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

AKA, welfare.

nope; full employment of resources in the market for labor; just socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual.

 

[hadit]

Back to the subject at hand, do you REALLY think you can arbitrarily and suddenly double the MW, impacting well over half the working population, and see no negative effects on jobs?

only the national socialist right wing has no solutions. the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

Run out of arguments again?

projecting much? the right wing only has, nothing but repeal instead of better solutions at lower cost.

the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

AKA, welfare.

nope; full employment of resources in the market for labor; just socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual.

Paying people to not work is not employing them. The rest of the world understands this.

 

[Wyatt earp]

"Undue"? Decided by whom? Do you REALLY not understand who will suffer the most when businesses have massive cost increases? Do you actually believe you can arbitrarily double labor costs and businesses will continue operating as before with the same workforce? A final question, did you learn nothing from the Obamadon'tcare debacle? Businesses faced a big increase in costs, so how did they cope? A whole lot of workers went from full time to part time and lost a lot of hours. A bunch more lost their employer provided health insurance. Double the MW overnight and the same thing will happen, only on a larger scale.

You're making an emotional plea that's not supported by reality.

Undue as in profits that resulted from utilizing a workforce that has had it's wages frozen for eight years

Do you understand that if you arbitrarily double labor costs overnight, millions of workers will lose their jobs, prices will go up and many businesses will close? If you want to jack MW to $15/hr, you're going to have to do it slowly.

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

It's not that simple

.

 

[rightwinger]

Undue as in profits that resulted from utilizing a workforce that has had it's wages frozen for eight years

Do you understand that if you arbitrarily double labor costs overnight, millions of workers will lose their jobs, prices will go up and many businesses will close? If you want to jack MW to $15/hr, you're going to have to do it slowly.

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

That's one solution that would avoid sudden large increases. It would, however, become an inflation driver, as labor costs would regularly increase.

I also predict dissatisfaction and clamor for larger, faster increases that would, once again, become a political football.

Does it drive inflation or react to inflation?

 

[rightwinger]

Undue as in profits that resulted from utilizing a workforce that has had it's wages frozen for eight years

Do you understand that if you arbitrarily double labor costs overnight, millions of workers will lose their jobs, prices will go up and many businesses will close? If you want to jack MW to $15/hr, you're going to have to do it slowly.

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

It's not that simple

.

Neither is getting Congress to agree to a minimum wage increase. That is why we haven't had one in eight years