McDonalds Introduces Self Serving Kiosks in Response to Min Wage Increase

[kaz]

I'm calling bullshit.

They would have done the kiosk thing anyway.

I agree, but I think it's fair to say the $15 minimum wage hastened its arrival

Exactly, and also expanded its use. I spent a bunch of the last year and a half in Europe and they are widely used over there already. Why? Wages are even higher there and government effectively considers you to have adopted their employees, so they hire as few as possible. Thanks liberals!

 

[rightwinger]

I'm calling bullshit.

They would have done the kiosk thing anyway.

I agree, but I think it's fair to say the $15 minimum wage hastened its arrival

Exactly, and also expanded its use. I spent a bunch of the last year and a half in Europe and they are widely used over there already. Why? Wages are even higher there and government effectively considers you to have adopted their employees, so they hire as few as possible. Thanks liberals!

Yea....and self serve gas, elevators without operators and automatic bowling pin setters came about because the attendants were asking for too much money

 

[hadit]

Do you understand that if you arbitrarily double labor costs overnight, millions of workers will lose their jobs, prices will go up and many businesses will close? If you want to jack MW to $15/hr, you're going to have to do it slowly.

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

That's one solution that would avoid sudden large increases. It would, however, become an inflation driver, as labor costs would regularly increase.

I also predict dissatisfaction and clamor for larger, faster increases that would, once again, become a political football.

Does it drive inflation or react to inflation?

Both. Any time you regularly increase prices for arbitrary, non-market driven reasons, you increase inflation. Then the new MW becomes less valuable and gets increased again. The cycle continues.

 

[danielpalos]

only the national socialist right wing has no solutions. the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

Run out of arguments again?

projecting much? the right wing only has, nothing but repeal instead of better solutions at lower cost.

the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

AKA, welfare.

nope; full employment of resources in the market for labor; just socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual.

Paying people to not work is not employing them. The rest of the world understands this.

doesn't matter; under Capitalism, all they need do is circulate money. only the national socialist right wing, prefers to require a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

 

[danielpalos]

Do you understand that if you arbitrarily double labor costs overnight, millions of workers will lose their jobs, prices will go up and many businesses will close? If you want to jack MW to $15/hr, you're going to have to do it slowly.

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

That's one solution that would avoid sudden large increases. It would, however, become an inflation driver, as labor costs would regularly increase.

I also predict dissatisfaction and clamor for larger, faster increases that would, once again, become a political football.

Does it drive inflation or react to inflation?

wages should alway outpace inflation.

 

[rightwinger]

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

That's one solution that would avoid sudden large increases. It would, however, become an inflation driver, as labor costs would regularly increase.

I also predict dissatisfaction and clamor for larger, faster increases that would, once again, become a political football.

Does it drive inflation or react to inflation?

Both. Any time you regularly increase prices for arbitrary, non-market driven reasons, you increase inflation. Then the new MW becomes less valuable and gets increased again. The cycle continues.

The actual cycle is the minimum wage drastically lags increases in consumer prices

 

[hadit]

Run out of arguments again?

projecting much? the right wing only has, nothing but repeal instead of better solutions at lower cost.

the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

AKA, welfare.

nope; full employment of resources in the market for labor; just socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual.

Paying people to not work is not employing them. The rest of the world understands this.

doesn't matter; under Capitalism, all they need do is circulate money. only the national socialist right wing, prefers to require a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Okay, so your changing the meaning of words doesn't matter. Got it.

 

[hadit]

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

That's one solution that would avoid sudden large increases. It would, however, become an inflation driver, as labor costs would regularly increase.

I also predict dissatisfaction and clamor for larger, faster increases that would, once again, become a political football.

Does it drive inflation or react to inflation?

Both. Any time you regularly increase prices for arbitrary, non-market driven reasons, you increase inflation. Then the new MW becomes less valuable and gets increased again. The cycle continues.

The actual cycle is the minimum wage drastically lags increases in consumer prices

It does now, but if you index it to inflation, it won't. Inflation would simply rise faster.

 

[hadit]

We have had increases in minimum wages for 75 years

During each of those increases, Conservatives have threatened "millions of people losing their jobs and rampant inflation" It never happens....the market adjusts

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

That's one solution that would avoid sudden large increases. It would, however, become an inflation driver, as labor costs would regularly increase.

I also predict dissatisfaction and clamor for larger, faster increases that would, once again, become a political football.

Does it drive inflation or react to inflation?

wages should alway outpace inflation.

If the value of the work outpaces inflation, they do.

 

[rightwinger]

You're not listening. We have not suddenly doubled the MW, effecting well over half the workforce, before. You can raise the MW without too much immediate damage, but if you raise it too far too fast, you invite catastrophe.

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

That's one solution that would avoid sudden large increases. It would, however, become an inflation driver, as labor costs would regularly increase.

I also predict dissatisfaction and clamor for larger, faster increases that would, once again, become a political football.

Does it drive inflation or react to inflation?

wages should alway outpace inflation.

If the value of the work outpaces inflation, they do.

It is not the "value" of work ...but what they can force low skilled workers to accept

 

[danielpalos]

projecting much? the right wing only has, nothing but repeal instead of better solutions at lower cost.

the liberal socialist left wing is working on unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed.

AKA, welfare.

nope; full employment of resources in the market for labor; just socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual.

Paying people to not work is not employing them. The rest of the world understands this.

doesn't matter; under Capitalism, all they need do is circulate money. only the national socialist right wing, prefers to require a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Okay, so your changing the meaning of words doesn't matter. Got it.

there is no change in the meaning of the words; i know how to use a dictionary. why not come up with more than fallacy, when you lose a point of contention.

 

[hadit]

How about we just tie minimum wages to an economic index and allow them to automatically increase without political bickering?

That's one solution that would avoid sudden large increases. It would, however, become an inflation driver, as labor costs would regularly increase.

I also predict dissatisfaction and clamor for larger, faster increases that would, once again, become a political football.

Does it drive inflation or react to inflation?

wages should alway outpace inflation.

If the value of the work outpaces inflation, they do.

It is not the "value" of work ...but what they can force low skilled workers to accept

A job contributes a certain amount of revenue to a company or it doesn't exist. Paying more for that job than the money it generates means the company loses money on it. That's basic economics, and if you force the company to pay too much and it can't raise prices enough to cover the added expense, it will terminate the job entirely.

 

[hadit]

AKA, welfare.

nope; full employment of resources in the market for labor; just socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual.

Paying people to not work is not employing them. The rest of the world understands this.

doesn't matter; under Capitalism, all they need do is circulate money. only the national socialist right wing, prefers to require a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Okay, so your changing the meaning of words doesn't matter. Got it.

there is no change in the meaning of the words; i know how to use a dictionary. why not come up with more than fallacy, when you lose a point of contention.

You descend into incoherence and start repeating slogans whenever you are in a corner. I have lost nothing.

 

[RadicalRedneck]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

McDonalds Flew the American Flag Upside Down in Uniondale, New York yesterday,
Boycott Them for heaven sakes!!

 

[rightwinger]

That's one solution that would avoid sudden large increases. It would, however, become an inflation driver, as labor costs would regularly increase.

I also predict dissatisfaction and clamor for larger, faster increases that would, once again, become a political football.

Does it drive inflation or react to inflation?

wages should alway outpace inflation.

If the value of the work outpaces inflation, they do.

It is not the "value" of work ...but what they can force low skilled workers to accept

A job contributes a certain amount of revenue to a company or it doesn't exist. Paying more for that job than the money it generates means the company loses money on it. That's basic economics, and if you force the company to pay too much and it can't raise prices enough to cover the added expense, it will terminate the job entirely.

Companies make profit off of every employee

When the wages of the bulk of their employees gets frozen for eight years, they make even more profit. During that eight year period: The price of supplies, taxes, real estate, advertising, insurance and even executive pay has risen and the companies have adjusted to the market

Yet, when the lowest paid worker in the company wants higher wages....the company claims they will go bankrupt

 

[danielpalos]

nope; full employment of resources in the market for labor; just socialism bailing out capitalism, like usual.

Paying people to not work is not employing them. The rest of the world understands this.

doesn't matter; under Capitalism, all they need do is circulate money. only the national socialist right wing, prefers to require a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Okay, so your changing the meaning of words doesn't matter. Got it.

there is no change in the meaning of the words; i know how to use a dictionary. why not come up with more than fallacy, when you lose a point of contention.

You descend into incoherence and start repeating slogans whenever you are in a corner. I have lost nothing.

what are you talking about? all you have is cognitive dissonance as is usual for the national socialist, right wing.

diversion is usually considered a fallacy.

under Capitalism, all they need do is circulate money.

 

[danielpalos]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

McDonalds Flew the American Flag Upside Down in Uniondale, New York yesterday,
Boycott Them for heaven sakes!!

was corporate management upset they may get drug tested and lose their steak and lobster privileges if they don't come up with a Jobs Boom for their capital gains preference?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

McDonalds Flew the American Flag Upside Down in Uniondale, New York yesterday,
Boycott Them for heaven sakes!!

 

[hadit]

Does it drive inflation or react to inflation?

wages should alway outpace inflation.

If the value of the work outpaces inflation, they do.

It is not the "value" of work ...but what they can force low skilled workers to accept

A job contributes a certain amount of revenue to a company or it doesn't exist. Paying more for that job than the money it generates means the company loses money on it. That's basic economics, and if you force the company to pay too much and it can't raise prices enough to cover the added expense, it will terminate the job entirely.

Companies make profit off of every employee

When the wages of the bulk of their employees gets frozen for eight years, they make even more profit. During that eight year period: The price of supplies, taxes, real estate, advertising, insurance and even executive pay has risen and the companies have adjusted to the market

Yet, when the lowest paid worker in the company wants higher wages....the company claims they will go bankrupt

Okay, let's be logical here.

First, companies make money off the work from every employee or the employee doesn't works for them. That means that if you artificially raise their pay with no corresponding revenue increase, some of them will be added to the "no longer works here" category.

Second, companies are not saying they will go bankrupt if we raise the MW. They're saying they will go bankrupt if we double their labor costs overnight and they can't raise prices high enough to offset the increase. It's a matter of degree.

Third, the employees who made the minimum 8 years ago are not the same employees making the minimum today. If they are, something is wrong, because as you gain skills and experience, you become more valuable. If the company doesn't recognize that increase in value with more pay, you go somewhere that will.

 

[hadit]

Paying people to not work is not employing them. The rest of the world understands this.

doesn't matter; under Capitalism, all they need do is circulate money. only the national socialist right wing, prefers to require a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Okay, so your changing the meaning of words doesn't matter. Got it.

there is no change in the meaning of the words; i know how to use a dictionary. why not come up with more than fallacy, when you lose a point of contention.

You descend into incoherence and start repeating slogans whenever you are in a corner. I have lost nothing.

what are you talking about? all you have is cognitive dissonance as is usual for the national socialist, right wing.

diversion is usually considered a fallacy.

under Capitalism, all they need do is circulate money.

And there are the slogans.