McDonald’s CA franchisee on new minimum wage: "The sheer scale of the impact is just breathtaking"

[Crepitus]

I don't see where Fast Food workers should get higher wages as a matter of law than employees in other types of enterprises.

Because they are grossly underpaid.

Anyone who works 40 hours a week and still need foodstamps is.

 

[Polishprince]

Totally ass backwards. You and your ilk want wage slaves, not employees. Democrats are trying to lift them up out of that.

The term "wage slave" is an oxymoron, which BTW comes straight from Communist propaganda.

Slaves don't get wages, and no one forces anyone to work

 

[candycorn]

And the employees worth only $10 an hour will be laid off, and replaced with someone who can do the $20 an hour of work required to make them economically viable.

Sure.... LOL

 

[Moonglow]

Low wage folks have low wages because they have low skills that are easy to replace.

Just a lot easier to invent a machine that can flip burgers than it is to invent one that can manage a complex operation like a chain of restaurants.

Where is yer restaurant that operates with robots only? Yeah, you couldn't afford it.

 

[Polishprince]

Because they are grossly underpaid.

Anyone who works 40 hours a week and still need foodstamps is.

Workers in non-fast-food establishment deserve less in your opinion?

 

[Moonglow]

The term "wage slave" is an oxymoron, which BTW comes straight from Communist propaganda.

Slaves don't get wages, and no one forces anyone to work

No it's Marxist dogma that came from the Marx Brothers in the movie, "Coconuts".

 

[martybegan]

Sure.... LOL

if I gotta pay $20 an hour as an employer, I am sure as hell going to get $20 an hours worth of work out of them.

 

[Moonglow]

if I gotta pay $20 an hour as an employer, I am sure as hell going to get $20 an hours worth of work out of them.

Be sure to have yer cat-o-nine tail whip.

 

[candycorn]

if I gotta pay $20 an hour as an employer, I am sure as hell going to get $20 an hours worth of work out of them.

Okay...do you think you can really get $20 an hour of labor out of someone working at Chick Fil A? Now I know you can raise prices to get the $20 monetarily....that isn’t want I’m talking about.

I’m talking about a $20 value using the classic equation of work:

I argue that $20 an hour is unattainable in terms of $20 for “real” labor inputs. Just like a CEO bonus when all they did was maintain the operation from January to December.

 

[martybegan]

Be sure to have yer cat-o-nine tail whip.

Nah, you just hire people who are worth it, thus blocking out those who aren't, and this law was supposed to "help"

 

[Mac-7]

We were told the same nonsense when the $10 and $15 minimum wage was being discussed. Magically, the same guys bitching about $20 an hour were able to survive at $10 and $15 an hour. So you can shove that argument straight away.

What I do agree with is that doing it at one time--raising it right to 20 from what it was-- was flat out idiotic.

The folks who are REALLY going to be hurt are not the employees but the line managers. They are hopelessly screwed beyond recognition at this point. Ninety-nine percent of the work is done by the employees they bark at to work harder, come in when they are sick, or (my favorite) come in on your day off because someone quit. Well, now that platoon of blamable peons are reduced to the point to where you will have to man the grill or the fry station. When orders are wrong and customers are not satisfied, who you going to blame Judy?

So yeah, line managers are going to become endangered species at this point.

It reduces the number of people employed

Which increases the number of people claiming unemployment

There is no upside to this

 

[martybegan]

Okay...do you think you can really get $20 an hour of labor out of someone working at Chick Fil A? Now I know you can raise prices to get the $20 monetarily....that isn’t want I’m talking about.

I’m talking about a $20 value using the classic equation of work:

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I argue that $20 an hour is unattainable in terms of $20 for “real” labor inputs. Just like a CEO bonus when all they did was maintain the operation from January to December.

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Are you really trying to apply a physics equation to economics?

How about you apply the ideal gas law to vapor calculations in a distillation column?

 

[Crepitus]

The term "wage slave" is an oxymoron, which BTW comes straight from Communist propaganda.

Slaves don't get wages, and no one forces anyone to work

wage slave​

noun​

Synonyms of wage slave
: a person dependent on wages or a salary for a livelihood

 

[Dadoalex]

Franchise margins are already slim, and this makes them worse.

Really?

Hire the worst employees, pay them the worst salaries to assemble, not prepare, assemble fast food orders, while screwing up a good 30% of the orders ...

That's what makes them worse.

Hire better employees and
Need fewer employees
Reduce loss due to incompetence
Reduce costs of turnover

But if you've a problem with all this look at the cause, YOU.

YOU helped destroy unions
YOU helped force people into the fast food industry
YOU helped replace teenagers and older people with people trying to earn money for their families
YOU helped do this.

So tell me...
If every worker walks out of a McDonalds
How much money does the franchisee make then?

The "makers" are the workers and the "takers" are the owners.
Without the workers there is no profit.
But without owners?

 

[Crepitus]

Workers in non-fast-food establishment deserve less in your opinion?

Nope.

They need the same raise, but it's gotta start somewhere.

 

[Polishprince]

Nah, you just hire people who are worth it, thus blocking out those who aren't, and this law was supposed to "help"

Exactly. It will be a lot harder for teenagers and ex-cons coming out of the joint to get employment in the Fast Food Industry.

Employers will be able to find better qualified staff, capable men with degrees.

 

[candycorn]

It reduces the number of people employed

Which increases the number of people claiming unemployment

There is no upside to this

If you went from making $12 an hour to making $20 an hour...you’d probably be able to find an upside. Mathematics is harder for some than others it seems.

I do agree that ramping up to $20 that quickly was stupid.

 

[martybegan]

Really?

Hire the worst employees, pay them the worst salaries to assemble, not prepare, assemble fast food orders, while screwing up a good 30% of the orders ...

That's what makes them worse.

Hire better employees and
Need fewer employees
Reduce loss due to incompetence
Reduce costs of turnover

But if you've a problem with all this look at the cause, YOU.

YOU helped destroy unions
YOU helped force people into the fast food industry
YOU helped replace teenagers and older people with people trying to earn money for their families
YOU helped do this.

So tell me...
If every worker walks out of a McDonalds
How much money does the franchisee make then?

The "makers" are the workers and the "takers" are the owners.
Without the workers there is no profit.
But without owners?

I didn't do shit. What Dems want is to somehow promote entry level jobs as careers, and they are clearly not that.

 

[Mac-7]

Because they are grossly underpaid.

Anyone who works 40 hours a week and still need foodstamps is.

How about the workers who lose their jobs?

 

[candycorn]

Are you really trying to apply a physics equation to economics?

How about you apply the ideal gas law to vapor calculations in a distillation column?

No, I’m trying to get a number from you... What is the number of burgers you have to prepare to = being “worth” $20 an hour?

You seem to think you can find someone who can do $20 an hour worth of labor at McDonalds. So lets hear it bub.