McCain Has Bigger Problems....

[jillian]

First he alligned himself with the good ole rev who said the Catholic Church is "the great whore" ... now it's the toon who thinks this country was created to fight a holy war... (and the right wing loonies complain about Obama's "ties")

Nutters...

On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a "strong, true, consistent conservative." The endorsement was important for McCain, who at the time was trying to put an end to the lingering challenge from former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a favorite among Christian evangelicals. A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."

The leader of a 12,000-member congregation, Parsley has written several books outlining his fundamentalist religious outlook, including the 2005 Silent No More. In this work, Parsley decries the "spiritual desperation" of the United States, and he blasts away at the usual suspects: activist judges, civil libertarians who advocate the separation of church and state, the homosexual "culture" ("homosexuals are anything but happy and carefree"), the "abortion industry," and the crass and profane entertainment industry. And Parsley targets another profound threat to the United States: the religion of Islam.

In a chapter titled "Islam: The Deception of Allah," Parsley warns there is a "war between Islam and Christian civilization." He continues:


I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.

Parsley is not shy about his desire to obliterate Islam. In Silent No More, he notes—approvingly—that Christopher Columbus shared the same goal: "It was to defeat Islam, among other dreams, that Christopher Columbus sailed to the New World in 1492…Columbus dreamed of defeating the armies of Islam with the armies of Europe made mighty by the wealth of the New World. It was this dream that, in part, began America." He urges his readers to realize that a confrontation between Christianity and Islam is unavoidable: "We find now we have no choice. The time has come." And he has bad news: "We may already be losing the battle. As I scan the world, I find that Islam is responsible for more pain, more bloodshed, and more devastation than nearly any other force on earth at this moment."

Parsley claims that Islam is an "anti-Christ religion" predicated on "deception." The Muslim prophet Muhammad, he writes, "received revelations from demons and not from the true God." And he emphasizes this point: "Allah was a demon spirit." Parsley does not differentiate between violent Islamic extremists and other followers of the religion:


There are some, of course, who will say that the violence I cite is the exception and not the rule. I beg to differ. I will counter, respectfully, that what some call "extremists" are instead mainstream believers who are drawing from the well at the very heart of Islam.

The spirit of Islam, he maintains, is one of hostility. He asserts that the religion "inspired" the 9/11 attacks. He bemoans the fact that in the years after 9/11, 34,000 Americans "have become Muslim" and that there are "some 1,209 mosques" in America. Islam, he declares, is a "faith that fully intends to conquer the world" through violence. The United States, he insists, "has historically understood herself as a bastion against Islam," but "history is crashing in upon us."

At the end of his chapter on Islam, Parsley asks, "Are we a Christian nation? I say yes." Without specifying what actions should be taken to eradicate the religion, he essentially calls for a new crusade.

Parsley, who refers to himself as a "Christocrat," is no stranger to controversy. In 2007, the grassroots organization he founded, the Center for Moral Clarity, called for prosecuting people who commit adultery. In January, he compared Planned Parenthood to Nazis. In the past Parsley's church has been accused of engaging in pro-Republican partisan activities in violation of its tax-exempt status.

Why would McCain court Parsley? He has long had trouble figuring out how to deal with Christian fundamentalists, an important bloc for the Republican Party. During his 2000 presidential bid, he referred to Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell as "agents of intolerance." But six years later, as he readied himself for another White House run, McCain repudiated that remark. More recently, his campaign hit a rough patch when he accepted the endorsement of the Reverend John Hagee, a Texas televangelist who has called the Catholic Church "the great whore" and a "false cult system." After the Catholic League protested and called on McCain to renounce Hagee's support, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee praised Hagee's spiritual leadership and support of Israel and said that "when [Hagee] endorses me, it does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for or believes in." After being further criticized for his Hagee connection, McCain backed off slightly, saying, "I repudiate any comments that are made, including Pastor Hagee's, if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics." But McCain did not renounce Hagee's endorsement.

McCain's relationship with Parsley is politically significant. In 2004, Parsley's church was credited with driving Christian fundamentalist voters to the polls for George W. Bush. With Ohio expected to again be a decisive state in the presidential contest, Parsley's World Harvest Church and an affiliated entity called Reformation Ohio, which registers voters, could be important players within this battleground state. Considering that the Ohio Republican Party has been decimated by various political scandals and that a popular Democrat, Ted Strickland, is now the state's governor, McCain and the Republicans will need all the help they can get in the Buckeye State this fall. It's a real question: Can McCain win the presidency without Parsley?

The McCain campaign did not respond to a request for comment regarding Parsley and his anti-Islam writings. Parsley did not return a call seeking comment.

"The last thing I want to be is another screaming voice moving people to extremes and provoking them to folly in the name of patriotism," Parsley writes in Silent No More. Provoking people to holy war is another matter. About that, McCain so far is silent.

http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

And, yes, I know it's mother jones, but the "liberal" media has been kind to McCain and so far only MSNBC has mentioned it.

 

[jreeves]

First he alligned himself with the good ole rev who said the Catholic Church is "the great whore" ... now it's the toon who thinks this country was created to fight a holy war... (and the right wing loonies complain about Obama's "ties")

Nutters...



http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

And, yes, I know it's mother jones, but the "liberal" media has been kind to McCain and so far only MSNBC has mentioned it.

Lmao,lmao....so funny, for one he isn't a member of any of the churches named in the article. He didn't name any of his books after any of their sermons. He didn't ask any of the evangelicals to announce his presidential bid. Also, none of the evangelicals said that Muslims or anybody else should be crushed underneath their feet like cockroaches. Should I go on how these two things aren't comparable?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

No fan of McCain or Parsley, but did the pastor "Gdamn America?" Does the pastor have ties to white supremacist groups or the kkk? Is the pastor an antisemite?

 

[jreeves]

First he alligned himself with the good ole rev who said the Catholic Church is "the great whore" ... now it's the toon who thinks this country was created to fight a holy war... (and the right wing loonies complain about Obama's "ties")

Nutters...



http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

And, yes, I know it's mother jones, but the "liberal" media has been kind to McCain and so far only MSNBC has mentioned it.

Just like the Liberal Times with all of their unnamed sources being so kind huh?

 

[jillian]

Just like the Liberal Times with all of their unnamed sources being so kind huh?

Puleeze... no one is saying this stuff isn't true.

Get a grip.

 

[jreeves]

Puleeze... no one is saying this stuff isn't true.

Get a grip.

Uh, I seem to remember a MCcain press conference the next day right? Denying the whole article............

 

[jillian]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

okie dokie.

 

[jreeves]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

okie dokie.

So you believe all of those unnamed sources huh? LOL

 

[jillian]

So you believe all of those unnamed sources huh? LOL

I'm fairly comfortable with this particular article. And I don't really feel the need to debate it with you since it could be etched in stone and that wouldn't matter to you.

Cheers.

 

[jreeves]

I'm fairly comfortable with this particular article. And I don't really feel the need to debate it with you since it could be etched in stone and that wouldn't matter to you.

Cheers.

I was talking about him denying the article in the New York Times. This article is obviously not comparable to the other post due to the above mentioned differences.

 

[jillian]

I was talking about him denying the article in the New York Times. This article is obviously not comparable to the other post due to the above mentioned differences.

Well, I wasn't talking about the NY Times article, was I? You really need to address the subject or let someone know you've gone elsewhere....

Do try to stick to the subject... which in this case is McCain's constinued sucking up to the looniest of the loonies.

 

[jreeves]

Well, I wasn't talking about the NY Times article, was I? You really need to address the subject or let someone know you've gone elsewhere....

Do try to stick to the subject... which in this case is McCain's constinued sucking up to the looniest of the loonies.

Uh, I wouldn't say that I made the statement the liberal media has been kind to MCcain. You made that comment. But he doesn't expose himself to the constant teachings of those loonies. Also, he didn't make anti-Muslim or anti-Catholic comments himself. As Barack did in his first book.

 

[jreeves]

Uh, I wouldn't say that I made the statement the liberal media has been kind to MCcain. You made that comment. But he doesn't expose himself to the constant teachings of those loonies. Also, he didn't make anti-Muslim or anti-Catholic comments himself. As Barack did in his first book.

Anti-white comments that is.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Well, I wasn't talking about the NY Times article, was I? You really need to address the subject or let someone know you've gone elsewhere....

Do try to stick to the subject... which in this case is McCain's constinued sucking up to the looniest of the loonies.

Sorry the left holds that title. The left is RUN by the FAR left. Hell Republicans keep electing middle to left people to high office while the loony tunes on the far left keep running idiots for high office.

If you actually think Bush is anywhere very much right you are stupider than a box of rocks. And McCain is no better. Your so far gone you think two guys that wouldn't know the right if it slammed them in the face are "far" right. What a LAUGH.

 

[jillian]

Please read what's written instead of what you wish were written.

Until then, you're far too boring.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

First he alligned himself with the good ole rev who said the Catholic Church is "the great whore" ... now it's the toon who thinks this country was created to fight a holy war... (and the right wing loonies complain about Obama's "ties")

Nutters...



http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

And, yes, I know it's mother jones, but the "liberal" media has been kind to McCain and so far only MSNBC has mentioned it.

You think Parley's ideas are "loony"? Which idea specifically is "loony" and why?
--the activist judges?
--the civil libertarians who are kicking God out of every corner of our society?
--the perversion of the homosexual "culture"?
--the abortion industry?
--the crass and profane entertainment industry?
--the threat of Islam to the U.S.?
--comparing Planned Parenthood to the Nazis?
--prosecuting people for adultery?

Seems to me that there are good reasons why he talks about these ideas…there is nothing "loony" about them…except in your own imagination and fear-mongering. Why is it you are so hateful toward the religious right? As a jew you should realize that the religious right are far more in your corner than the liberal left.

And fyi Fox did bring up the endorsement of Rev. John Hagee, the guy who trashed the Catholic church and which McCain repudiated....however, an endorsement from a church you don't even belong to is a far cry from actual membership of 20 years in a racist, anti-American church and a close, personal relationship with the Rev of that racist and anti-American church.

Thus, sorry to say, Obama's "religious" problem is MUCH BIGGER than McCain's. Choosing and joining a racist, anti-American church as a thinking adult is a far cry from receiving an endorsement from a church you don't even belong to. You would think that a Harvard-educated man who went out and SPECIFICALLY CHOSE TO JOIN a church would have had better judgement…unless, of course, that church is in alignment with his own thinking…that's the million dollar question...

 

[jillian]

Paisley is a nutcase.

Normal people know this.

You're a nutter, too, so of course you can't see it. ;o)

And yes, anyone who says this country was founded for some type of Christian battle against Muslims is a huge nutter.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Paisley is a nutcase.

Normal people know this.

You're a nutter, too, so of course you can't see it. ;o)

And yes, anyone who says this country was founded for some type of Christian battle against Muslims is a huge nutter.

Well, I don't know this Parsley guy...so tell me specifically why he's nuts.

I can see his connecting Columbus to the war against Islam...after all, Spain had had a war with Islam back then.

 

[jillian]

Well, I don't know this Parsley guy...so tell me specifically why he's nuts.

I can see his connecting Columbus to the war against Islam...after all, Spain had had a war with Islam back then.

And once again. you'd be wrong.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

psssssssssst... listen carefully... I'll even speak slowly so you can maybe understand....

THIS COUNTRY WAS NOT FOUNDED SO SOME CRACKPOT PRETEND CHRISITIANS CAN RUN A HOLY WAR FROM HERE....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

And once again. you'd be wrong.

In 1492 Columbus sailed the blue…
In 1492 the Muslim Kingdom of Granada fell to Ferdinand and Isabella.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

psssssssssst... listen carefully... I'll even speak slowly so you can maybe understand....

THIS COUNTRY WAS NOT FOUNDED SO SOME CRACKPOT PRETEND CHRISITIANS CAN RUN A HOLY WAR FROM HERE....

That was a treaty of peace and friendship. What do you think should happen when the peace is broken?