Maybe Democrats Should Surrender.

[Frankeneinstein]

Prove it. Post any and all links from legitimate sources to prove what YOU know is a lie.

Out of curiosity who decides a sources legitimacy? can you provide the name of sources everyone agrees are legitimate? do you consider a source legitimate if it claims to have anonymous sources? ie, do you just take the word of some and not others who use this ploy?

 

[hadit]

Most Americans blame Trump and Republicans for Government shutdown, not Democrats​

Trump turns shutdown into weapon against blue America​

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The county desperately needs a president for ALL the People.​

It wouldn't hurt if Congress would act that way as well.

 

[Independent thinker]

Not everyone can handle the truth, but everyone should be given the opportunity.

Despite Trump's lies, the Democratic position does not include a demand for healthcare for immigrants without legal status.

... It does include a demand for Medicaid funding that was severely cut in Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill” passed earlier this year, as well as continuing subsidies for the Affordable Care Act.

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Democratic leadership is seeking Republican compromise on healthcare policy in their spending bill, asking for increased spending to continue Obamacare subsidies and to reverse the deep Medicaid cuts implemented in the domestic tax cut bill.​

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Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for Obamacare benefits and Medicaid...​

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Allowing ACA subsidies to expire at the end of the year could have immense ramifications, kicking millions of people off of their healthcare, skyrocketing out-of-pocket insurance premiums, and premiums across the health insurance market are to increase drastically.​

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...nment-shut-down/ar-AA1NGPq5?ocid=BingNewsVerp​

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The Democratic position has enjoyed popular support in the face of Trump's slashing coverage:

Obamacare And Medicaid Popularity Hit All-Time High As GOP Preps Cuts
June 17, 2025​

The enhanced premium tax credits for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are set to expire at the end of 2025. This expiration could lead to significant increases in ACA insurance premiums, with estimates suggesting a rise of up to 75% in 2026. The Congressional Budget Office has projected that about 22 million people with a health plan via the ACA marketplace would face a premium shock if these tax credits are not extended. ​

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It may well be in the electoral interests of Democrats to concede, and allow millions of Americans to be deprived of healthcare coverage by Trump and his Congressional toadies.

It's just funny to watch the left claim that work requirements for able bodied people are a bad thing.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Under the ACA, Undocumented individuals ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR COVERAGE!!!! The lies about them being to receive medical care under ACA is an out right, down right ******* LIE!!!

/----/ Then explain this, or is ABC News lying? Where does the money for Medi-Cal come from? (Hint, I indicated the answer in bold below.)

Starting Jan. 1, 2023, all undocumented immigrants, regardless of age, will qualify for Medi-Cal, California's version of the federal Medicaid program for people with low incomes.

California becomes first state to offer health insurance to all undocumented immigrants

On Jan. 1, California will become the first state to offer health insurance to all undocumented adults by expanding access to the state-run insurance plan, Medi-Cal.

abcnews.go.com

The final expansion going into effect Jan. 1 will make approximately 700,000 undocumented residents between ages 26 and 49 eligible for full coverage, according to California State Sen. María Elena Durazo.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Most Americans blame Trump and Republicans for Government shutdown, not Democrats​

Trump turns shutdown into weapon against blue America​

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The county desperately needs a president for ALL the People.​

/----/ Another fake poll designed to give Libtard Moonbats a talking point.
"The survey was conducted on Wednesday with 1,010 people and had a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points. "

 

[BluesLegend]

Despite Trump's lies, the Democratic position does not include a demand for healthcare for immigrants without legal status.

Dumb ass, it absolutely includes crap tons of money for the Dem's illegals so blow it out your ass you lying talking point spewing retard.

 

[braalian]

They're not supposed to get jobs, but they do.

Well, that’s 100% the fault of the greedy unpatriotic assholes who deliberately hire them, now isn’t it?

 

[Thinker101]

Well, that’s 100% the fault of the greedy unpatriotic assholes who deliberately hire them, now isn’t it?

Sure, defiantly not the fault of the unpatriotic assholes that let them (even encouraged them and helped pay for them) come here in the first place.

 

[braalian]

Sure, defiantly not the fault of the unpatriotic assholes that let them (even encouraged them and helped pay for them) come here in the first place.

Right

Because the farm owners who knowingly hire illegals by the literal bus-full for the sole purpose of saving money are just wonderful, hardworking upstanding citizens who had no other choice

Right?

 

[Thinker101]

Right

Because the farm owners who knowingly hire illegals by the literal bus-full for the sole purpose of saving money are just wonderful, hardworking upstanding citizens who had no other choice

Right?

Yep, those damn farmers in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and other large cities.

 

[braalian]

Yep, those damn farmers in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and other large cities.

You’re denying that farmers hire illegals to pick fruit?

 

[Thinker101]

You’re denying that farmers hire illegals to pick fruit?

Can't imagine there's enough "fruit" in California to support the need for 2.6 million illegals, or enough "fruit" in Texas to support the need for 2.1 million illegals. Not to mention how much "fruit" must be in New York and Chicago.

Map shows top 10 states for illegal US immigration

 

[Zincwarrior]

You’re denying that farmers hire illegals to pick fruit?

And construction. And light manufacturing.

 

[justoffal]

No mention was made of Medicare.

The Republican bill cuts nearly a trillion dollars in Medicaid funding.

1. Low-Income Individuals: The cuts are likely to disproportionately affect low-income individuals who rely on Medicaid for essential health services. Estimates suggest that up to 15 million Americans could lose coverage due to these changes.
   Medicaid Cuts Will Hurt Some States More Than Others—See How Yours Compares
2. Elderly Population: Older adults, who often have higher healthcare needs, may face increased barriers to accessing care as funding for Medicaid is reduced. This could lead to a decline in services available to them.
   'One Big Beautiful Bill': How cuts will affect healthcare in 5 areas
3. Immigrants: Immigrants living in the country without legal status are also at risk, as proposed legislation includes provisions that would reduce federal funding for states that allow these individuals to enroll in Medicaid.

I'm some instances....( Many in fact) Medicaid is simply an iteration of Medicare and draws funds from the same federal well.

 

[justoffal]

If Republicans still succeed in slashing Medicaid funding (and eliminating ACA premium supplements) it won't be forgotten by all the Republicans in red States who depend upon it.

Or the money vacuum medical industries who fraud billions out of the program every year.

 

[schmidlap]

Or the money vacuum medical industries who fraud billions out of the program every year.

Paranoia requires no demonstrable evidence. Prosecution does.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Not everyone can handle the truth, but everyone should be given the opportunity.

Despite Trump's lies, the Democratic position does not include a demand for healthcare for immigrants without legal status.

... It does include a demand for Medicaid funding that was severely cut in Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill” passed earlier this year, as well as continuing subsidies for the Affordable Care Act.

​

Democratic leadership is seeking Republican compromise on healthcare policy in their spending bill, asking for increased spending to continue Obamacare subsidies and to reverse the deep Medicaid cuts implemented in the domestic tax cut bill.​

​

Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for Obamacare benefits and Medicaid...​

​

Allowing ACA subsidies to expire at the end of the year could have immense ramifications, kicking millions of people off of their healthcare, skyrocketing out-of-pocket insurance premiums, and premiums across the health insurance market are to increase drastically.​

​

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...nment-shut-down/ar-AA1NGPq5?ocid=BingNewsVerp​

​

The Democratic position has enjoyed popular support in the face of Trump's slashing coverage:

Obamacare And Medicaid Popularity Hit All-Time High As GOP Preps Cuts
June 17, 2025​

The enhanced premium tax credits for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are set to expire at the end of 2025. This expiration could lead to significant increases in ACA insurance premiums, with estimates suggesting a rise of up to 75% in 2026. The Congressional Budget Office has projected that about 22 million people with a health plan via the ACA marketplace would face a premium shock if these tax credits are not extended. ​

​

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It may well be in the electoral interests of Democrats to concede, and allow millions of Americans to be deprived of healthcare coverage by Trump and his Congressional toadies.

No, they should just keep going until Trump is willing to compromise.
Maybe this shut down will become the longest shutdown ever, overtaking Trump's last shutdown.