Maybe Democrats Should Surrender.

[Mac1958]

Ay, there's the rub!

It’s also obvious that the White House knows it has a health care vulnerability and is trying to obscure it by cloaking it in his strongest issue — immigration...https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/02/politics/government-shutdown-political-crisis-analysishttps://www.cnn.com/2025/10/02/politics/government-shutdown-political-crisis-analysis​

Democrats want extended subsidies for the ACA and to reverse cuts to Medicaid contained in Trump’s domestic policy agenda package. But neither of those changes would provide health coverage to undocumented immigrants. ​

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Trump & Co. know that immigration is MAGA's #1 issue, so they're going to cram it into every conversation possible. Where the rubber meets the road is when more and more people's health plans go up, and when they're affected by other things.

But I'm not making any predictions. Maybe they won't care, as long Trump makes 'em happy otherwise. I've definitely given up trying to figure this stuff out. Hell, I didn't think Trump would get 20% of the popular vote.

 

[Eman623]

Dems walked into this rake willingly. Would Pelosi have allowed this loser to be pinned on them? No way.

 

[Hafar1014]

Trump & Co. know that immigration is MAGA's #1 issue, so they're going to cram it into every conversation possible. Where the rubber meets the road is when more and more people's health plans go up, and when they're affected by other things.

But I'm not making any predictions. Maybe they won't care, as long Trump makes 'em happy otherwise. I've definitely given up trying to figure this stuff out. Hell, I didn't think Trump would get 20% of the popular vote.

The open border is the policy that destroyed the democrat party. It was a power grab that exploded in their faces

 

[0311]

Not everyone can handle the truth, but everyone should be given the opportunity.

Despite Trump's lies, the Democratic position does not include a demand for healthcare for immigrants without legal status.

... It does include a demand for Medicaid funding that was severely cut in Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill” passed earlier this year, as well as continuing subsidies for the Affordable Care Act.

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Democratic leadership is seeking Republican compromise on healthcare policy in their spending bill, asking for increased spending to continue Obamacare subsidies and to reverse the deep Medicaid cuts implemented in the domestic tax cut bill.​

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Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for Obamacare benefits and Medicaid...​

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Allowing ACA subsidies to expire at the end of the year could have immense ramifications, kicking millions of people off of their healthcare, skyrocketing out-of-pocket insurance premiums, and premiums across the health insurance market are to increase drastically.​

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...nment-shut-down/ar-AA1NGPq5?ocid=BingNewsVerp​

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The Democratic position has enjoyed popular support in the face of Trump's slashing coverage:

Obamacare And Medicaid Popularity Hit All-Time High As GOP Preps Cuts
June 17, 2025​

The enhanced premium tax credits for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are set to expire at the end of 2025. This expiration could lead to significant increases in ACA insurance premiums, with estimates suggesting a rise of up to 75% in 2026. The Congressional Budget Office has projected that about 22 million people with a health plan via the ACA marketplace would face a premium shock if these tax credits are not extended. ​

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It may well be in the electoral interests of Democrats to concede, and allow millions of Americans to be deprived of healthcare coverage by Trump and his Congressional toadies

Under the ACA, Undocumented individuals ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR COVERAGE!!!! The lies about them being to receive medical care under ACA is an out right, down right ******* LIE!!!

 

[WelfareQueen]

Not everyone can handle the truth, but everyone should be given the opportunity.

Despite Trump's lies, the Democratic position does not include a demand for healthcare for immigrants without legal status.

... It does include a demand for Medicaid funding that was severely cut in Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill” passed earlier this year, as well as continuing subsidies for the Affordable Care Act.

​

Democratic leadership is seeking Republican compromise on healthcare policy in their spending bill, asking for increased spending to continue Obamacare subsidies and to reverse the deep Medicaid cuts implemented in the domestic tax cut bill.​

​

Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for Obamacare benefits and Medicaid...​

​

Allowing ACA subsidies to expire at the end of the year could have immense ramifications, kicking millions of people off of their healthcare, skyrocketing out-of-pocket insurance premiums, and premiums across the health insurance market are to increase drastically.​

​

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...nment-shut-down/ar-AA1NGPq5?ocid=BingNewsVerp​

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The Democratic position has enjoyed popular support in the face of Trump's slashing coverage:

Obamacare And Medicaid Popularity Hit All-Time High As GOP Preps Cuts
June 17, 2025​

The enhanced premium tax credits for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are set to expire at the end of 2025. This expiration could lead to significant increases in ACA insurance premiums, with estimates suggesting a rise of up to 75% in 2026. The Congressional Budget Office has projected that about 22 million people with a health plan via the ACA marketplace would face a premium shock if these tax credits are not extended. ​

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It may well be in the electoral interests of Democrats to concede, and allow millions of Americans to be deprived of healthcare coverage by Trump and his Congressional toadies.

No Medicaid funding was cut. Work requirements were put in place for able-bodied people receiving Medicaid.

 

[Moonglow]

Every democrat policy is in support of illegals. Tihs is the policy that has destroyed the democrat party. Its all about the census and aportionment

Prove it then. Where are yer stats and links to support yer propaganda?

 

[Moonglow]

Democrats want to give free healthcare to illegals at the expense of Americans who have to pay for it. Why they will all be deported anyway. Bribing illegals has been the foundation of every democrat policy to create voters and have them counted in the census. Thats not going to happen

Considering it is illegal you would never understand.

 

[Hafar1014]

Under the ACA, Undocumented individuals ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR COVERAGE!!!! The lies about them being to receive medical care under ACA is an out right, down right ******* LIE!!!

Free healthcare for illegals is the real issue. Democrats put them on Medicaid under Biden. The BBB cut their funding.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Under the ACA, Undocumented individuals ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR COVERAGE!!!! The lies about them being to receive medical care under ACA is an out right, down right ******* LIE!!!

False. Millions of Illegals receive Medicaid and ACA healthcare. California among other states brag about it.

 

[TimFitz]

Not everyone can handle the truth, but everyone should be given the opportunity.

Despite Trump's lies, the Democratic position does not include a demand for healthcare for immigrants without legal status.

... It does include a demand for Medicaid funding that was severely cut in Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill” passed earlier this year, as well as continuing subsidies for the Affordable Care Act.

​

Democratic leadership is seeking Republican compromise on healthcare policy in their spending bill, asking for increased spending to continue Obamacare subsidies and to reverse the deep Medicaid cuts implemented in the domestic tax cut bill.​

​

Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for Obamacare benefits and Medicaid...​

​

Allowing ACA subsidies to expire at the end of the year could have immense ramifications, kicking millions of people off of their healthcare, skyrocketing out-of-pocket insurance premiums, and premiums across the health insurance market are to increase drastically.​

​

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...nment-shut-down/ar-AA1NGPq5?ocid=BingNewsVerp​

​

The Democratic position has enjoyed popular support in the face of Trump's slashing coverage:

Obamacare And Medicaid Popularity Hit All-Time High As GOP Preps Cuts
June 17, 2025​

The enhanced premium tax credits for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are set to expire at the end of 2025. This expiration could lead to significant increases in ACA insurance premiums, with estimates suggesting a rise of up to 75% in 2026. The Congressional Budget Office has projected that about 22 million people with a health plan via the ACA marketplace would face a premium shock if these tax credits are not extended. ​

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It may well be in the electoral interests of Democrats to concede, and allow millions of Americans to be deprived of healthcare coverage by Trump and his Congressional toadies.

No, they will have to put up a fight, or be seen as caving in to Trump's cuts.

 

[Hafar1014]

Considering it is illegal you would never understand.

Biden put them on Medicaid. The BBB cut them off. Why should we give them anything they are all going to be deported and they are criminals.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not everyone can handle the truth, but everyone should be given the opportunity.

Despite Trump's lies, the Democratic position does not include a demand for healthcare for immigrants without legal status.

Does it include a demand that illegal aliens given parole get ACA subsidies?

... It does include a demand for Medicaid funding that was severely cut in Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill” passed earlier this year, as well as continuing subsidies for the ACA.

Why does the ACA need supplements? Is it not affordable?

It may well be in the electoral interests of Democrats to concede, and allow millions of Americans to be deprived of healthcare coverage by Trump and his Congressional toadies.

Sounds like a terrible strategy, but Dems are so deep in the hole that they should try almost anything.

 

[TimFitz]

False. Millions of Illegals receive Medicaid and ACA healthcare. California among other states brag about it.

Prove it.

 

[Hafar1014]

Prove it.

Today those benefits have been stopped but Biden included them at taxpayers expense

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

#YOURBITCHLOST!

In the short term....yes. But the War rages on.
If they keep slowly picking off everyone on the Right who vocally opposes their Communist policies, eventually they will win.
Remember their motto..."By Any Means Necessary".....
And remember the Rights motto....."Thoughts and prayers, and pass the remote"

 

[Moonglow]

Biden put them on Medicaid. The BBB cut them off. Why should we give them anything they are all going to be deported and they are criminals.

Moar unfounded lies from a MAGAT.

 

[TimFitz]

Biden put them on Medicaid. The BBB cut them off. Why should we give them anything they are all going to be deported and they are criminals.

This whole illegals on Medicare is a right wing myth. Right trash media and clowns on X shout it. And the fools who think Fox is news, and who get their "news" from these polemicists buy it.

It is a race baiting claim, which is why Trump uses it.

 

[Moonglow]

This whole illegals on Medicare is a right wing myth. Right trash media and clowns on X shout it. And the fools who think Fox is news, and who get their "news" from these polemicists buy it.

It is a race baiting claim, which is why Trump uses it.

Feeding the fools to be moar foolish.

 

[Hellokitty]

Yep, they're not supposed to be in this country, but they are. They're not supposed to get jobs, but they do. They're not supposed to get tax funded healthcare, but they do.

They're not supposed to vote, but they are.

 

[Hafar1014]

This whole illegals on Medicare is a right wing myth. Right trash media and clowns on X shout it. And the fools who think Fox is news, and who get their "news" from these polemicists buy it.

It is a race baiting claim, which is why Trump uses it.

Medicaid Biden allowed them to get Medicaid coverage the BBB cut that off.