Maunder minimum gone missing

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Looks like they were wrong about that, huh?

About what? Be specific, so i can respond.

Nobody says the Sun is not also a dominant variable. At issue with AGW is the accelerated rate at which we are taking fixed carbon out of the Earth and adding it to our climate's carbon cycle. CO2 can be the dominant factor in global warming, under certain conditions. As it turns out, rapid anthropogenic emissions of carbon at an accelerated rate is one of those conditions.

 

[ding]

About what? Be specific, so i can respond.

Nobody says the Sun is not also a dominant variable. At issue with AGW is the accelerated rate at which we are taking fixed carbon out of the Earth and adding it to our climate's carbon cycle. CO2 can be the dominant factor in global warming, under certain conditions. As it turns out, rapid anthropogenic emissions of carbon at an accelerated rate is one of those conditions.

About solar cycle 25 being a Grand Solar Minimum. It's clearly not.

 

[ding]

Nobody says the Sun is not also a dominant variable.

You mean besides the IPCC?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

About solar cycle 25 being a Grand Solar Minimum. It's clearly not.

Still too early to say.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You mean besides the IPCC?

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That's not what the IPCC says. They say the main driver of the current, rapid warming is human acitivity. No, the solar scientists and climate scientists who contribute to IPCC are not ignorant of their own life's work.

 

[ding]

Still too early to say.

It's not too early. The Grand Minimum is like zero sunspot activity. Cycle 25 sun spot activity is trending up (like it should be) and it will have some as yet to be determined peak. The question is what percentage of cycle 24 will that peak be.

 

[ding]

That's not what the IPCC says. They say the main driver of the current, rapid warming is human acitivity. No, the solar scientists and climate scientists who contribute to IPCC are not ignorant of their own life's work.

That's exactly what they are saying. They are literally saying the radiative forcing of CO2 dominates the radiative forcing of solar irradiance.

They just haven't thought through the implications of that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's not too early.

Well, considering the Grand Minimum is expected to last from 2020-2053... yes, I would say it's a bit early.

 

[ding]

Well, considering the Grand Minimum is expected to last from 2020-2053... yes, I would say it's a bit early.

If solar cycle 25 were a Grand Solar Minimum there wouldn't be any sunspot activity rather than sun spot activity that was trending upward like it is now.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If solar cycle 25 were a Grand Solar Minimum there wouldn't be any sunspot activity rather than sun spot activity that was trending upward like it is now.

25 would only be the beginning third of the GSM

 

[ding]

25 would only be the beginning third of the GSM

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

While the South Pole faces unprecedented cold.
South Pole froze over in coldest winter on record

You forgot to make your point. What is your point?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

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So? I think the solar scientists who produced that graph understand it.

 

[ding]

So?

So... as I read that plot, current sunspot activity has already ruled out a Grand Solar Minimum.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

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I mean, i get it, i think we are talking past each other. But i get your point about the prediction matching the Dalton minimum on that ggraph.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So... as I read that plot, current sunspot activity has already ruled out a Grand Solar Minimum.

I think that's dubious. As you can see.from your own graph, sunspot data is noisy. Maybe right. Maybe not.

 

[ding]

I mean, i get it, i think we are talking past each other. But i get your point about the prediction matching the Dalton minimum on that ggraph.

It wouldn't be the first time we have done that.

 

[ding]

I think that's dubious. As you can see.from your own graph, sunspot data is noisy. Maybe right. Maybe not.

Here's a way to visualize what that graph is saying.

 

[Robert Urbanek]

Are you saying that the effects of the sun is causing the warming and cooling of the planet? Oh my....

The posted video says nothing about global warming.

 

[Robert Urbanek]

If anyone here is seriously interested in keeping a close eye on solar activity, I would recommend this site;
SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids