Birth Rates

[initforme]

And that is not what children are for.

Every person should be free to create a lasting rich heritage and legacy. Not a short lived career and subdivision house. Also when we get old, children provide a boost of needed assistance as well as the all important grandbabies to spoil with goodies.
It's not just about caregiving....it's about relationships with others that make a full, rich, and rewarding life that being internet famous seem more like breaking the bank in monopoly board game. (Not very important and extremely temporary)

Huge difference from what you are describing. You call it freedom and liberty....I call it alone and unloved.

I'm just describing what's happening. I could care less how many kids any woman has. It's up to her. Overall although we are more technologically connected, a growing number of young people are more independent and less inclined to seek out the relationships you speak of. They like the peace and quiet and disconnection because when they're working they're ultra connected. Can't blame them.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm just describing what's happening. I could care less how many kids any woman has. It's up to her. Overall although we are more technologically connected, a growing number of young people are more independent and less inclined to seek out the relationships you speak of. They like the peace and quiet and disconnection because when they're working they're ultra connected. Can't blame them.

What we (and I'm not alone in this) is that the environment that allows people to have the option of having children has been removed.

We are no longer free. We are slaves to the system that deemed population numbers are too high.

 

[initforme]

What we (and I'm not alone in this) is that the environment that allows people to have the option of having children has been removed.

We are no longer free. We are slaves to the system that deemed population numbers are too high.

Perhaps the corporate heads who have huge influence on the nation deemed that workers were getting too far ahead and that's not what they want.

 

[JohnDB]

Perhaps the corporate heads who have huge influence on the nation deemed that workers were getting too far ahead and that's not what they want.

Or that they just wanted us to be enslaved and completely controlled.

 

[1srelluc]

I'm going to assume you have no children and really don't want them (especially the expense of having them) as well as the routine maintenance and care of children.

Is that correct?

Nah, I have two. Grown and on their own. Two grandkids and two G-Grandkids so we are doing our part.

I suspect two is about all most married couples can handle these days.

 

[initforme]

Nah, I have two. Grown and on their own. Two grandkids and two G-Grandkids so we are doing our part.

I suspect two is about all most married couples can handle these days.

Alot of married couples are choosing none. It's the times we live in.

 

[sparky]

But MORE IMPORTANTLY.
What are your thoughts on having 3-4 children of your own?

Diapers? School? Discipline? Soccer/baseball practices?

But it never used to be this way.
The husband worked and provided a good, solid middle class income to support a wife and 3 to 4 kids. Wives stayed at home and raised kids, volunteered at school or libraries or hospitals or whatever.

Mine are grown and on their own now John, i'll just say parenting is a total life changer, it will take a LOT out of anyone

and yes, it's become economically harder over time.....

he unspoken "problem" is that the women who ARE having children are not the ones that one would prefer. It's not the intelligent, educated, accomplished young adults who are having large families, it's the ones who are in many ways dependent on Government. That is a generalization, I know, but true.

As do i DG, allow me to be blunter.....

these are sorts who have turned their womb into an enterprise pursuant to social handouts

anecdotally , a particular woman in my hood has 4 children via 4 fathers, and is a stay at home herion addict , DCF (Vermont Department for Children and Families) along with multiple LEO and other associated state org's are there on a weekly basis.

All 4 'children' have serious behavioral problems , all aided in one manner or another by limo lib tax $$$'s

So the bottom line could well be, if parenting is going to be on OUR tax dime, shouldn't some pre-qualifier exist ?

~S~

 

[sparky]

I would love if happy days was the social metric ,,,,,,,

but that is the social lubricant foisted by those who seek to have us believe in such facades

~S~

 

[JohnDB]

sparky
I agree with a lot of what you are saying....

But I also don't want to put extra red tape or rules on people who need the assistance wither. (CIP is a woman who had 6 kids and then "Dad" did a disappearing act....she had no career skills and the state had to come in and help financially)

But then there's the women who had 3 kids by different fathers who all had to pay her child support. Again the children were train wrecks.

Then there's those 14 year olds who get a teen dad to knock her up to keep themselves housed in public housing. 45 year old grandmother's need a home too.

 

[Godboy]

We have a real problem in most of the industrialized world.

Birth rates for women.

Currently we need a 2.7 live births per woman in the USA (or any nation in reality) to achieve stable populations. Meaning we aren't getting more crowded but we aren't going extinct either.

Currently we have a 1.7 birth rate for women.

Meaning every woman capable need to plan on having three children minimum....likely more.

How do we think this concept (a reality) is going to play out in the USA?

If you are a woman replying on this forum does the idea appeal to you?

If you are a man replying....how does the idea of fathering 3-4 children appeal to you?

Have you had any children? How many?

We do not have a population problem now, nor will we in the future. The US can import MILLIONS of people at will. Population size may be an issue for a lot of nations, but not ours. If we decide to open our door, people will flood in.

 

[initforme]

It's not a governments business to encourage people to have kids. That's immoral.

 

[JohnDB]

Here's a time/fertility rate chart.....it ain't good for the EU.

Japan 1.2.....roughly equivalent to China.
Sub Sahan Africa has an almost 4.5. But they are NOT industrialized in any fashion. Most do not have indoor plumbing, garbage collection, or access to any sort of civilization as we know it. (IOW we do not want them here among us) They also tend to be Muslims and devoutly religious with subjection for women.

 

[initforme]

Birth rates are overblown by media and lessers.

 

[JohnDB]

Without kids....you don't get moments like this:

 

[initforme]

Without kids....you don't get moments like this:


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That's great for those who want a family. For those that choose not to it's "meh".

 

[braalian]

Low testosterone for young men does not help. JFK jr said the other day that young men in the US have the average testosterone level of a 68 year old man.

Were you talking to him with a Ouija board?

 

[initforme]

I don't see a problem with lower testosterone.

 

[braalian]

I don't see a problem with lower testosterone.

Speak for yourself

 

[Moonglow]

Not really....
A portion of children grow up to become non-parents or have genetic, physical abnormalities or through environmental interventions become incapable of having children. .1% is insufficient to overcome these factors. Childhood death, disease, dismemberment or disfiguration does a number on population. Plus incarceration....people go to jail. Then there's the ever growing population of LGBTQ. (not helping) And those undesirable to procreate with (OnlyFans moms?....uh NO!) Then the autism rates....

So in essence we need the additional boost of .7% to cover for these losses.

So....there ya go.

But MORE IMPORTANTLY.
What are your thoughts on having 3-4 children of your own?

Diapers? School? Discipline? Soccer/baseball practices?

I had four kids, raised them, and now they be adults.. I retired my penis...Hung it on the wall.

 

[initforme]

Speak for yourself

Where's the problem with it? Describe it.