Massive Teachers Union Sues Mom Who Asked About Political Material In Kindergarten Curriculum

[Soupnazi630]

You really struggle with the concept of a free trade union serving the interests of its members. Trying to think of other countries where unions were so hated.

It is not a free trade union you dumbass it is a government employee union

 

[Soupnazi630]

Not all records are public records. Employees have some privacy rights even if they're employed by a public school.

Yes they have a right to medical privacy and financial privacy. You cannot get their pay records or medical records but beyond that tghey have no privacy over their professional records.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Sigh. I have never claimed that she asked for other kids records. You are getting over excited.

The list of what she has asked is in the link in my first post. The Union thinks a lot of it is protected and has asked the court to decide if it is or not.

Neither is she entitled to the personal records of any of the teachers or administrators. It is none of her business.

The personnel records are in fact her business and the business of EVERYONE.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Like the VA hospitals, public libraries, public schools, police, fire departments, social security and Medicare? That socialism?

If Capitalism isn't tempered by a little socialism it doesn't work.

General Welfare The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens. Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution.
General Welfare legal definition of General Welfare
legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/General+Welfare
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Those are not socialism but in fact they do not work either.

 

[surada]

Those are not socialism but in fact they do not work either.

LOLOL.. of course they work.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Not true.

Yes quite true. You can get the personnel records of any public employee even the military for that matter.

Medical and financial records are exceptions but the rest is public

 

[Soupnazi630]

LOLOL.. of course they work.

Nope

They are failures and not socialism.

All those examples are not needed and people can do better without them

 

[Tommy Tainant]

She has the absolute right to make as many FOIA requests as she likes regardlless of time and money.

he also has a responsibility not to abuse the system. 200 requests is an absolute abuse and a waste of public money.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

You really struggle with the concept of a free trade union serving the interests of its members. Trying to think of other countries where unions were so hated.

We don't struggle with it at all, and we strive to take our freedoms more seriously than those other countries that lay down and roll over for authority of any kind...
my family owes everything it has to unions but that does not entitle them to skirt the rules or step out of line, when they do they need to be reminded of who their boss is.
It would seem that europeans have a long history of being just too willing to turn over the decision making process to others and view self-governance with a gimlet eye...freedom just doesn't work as well over there as it does here and so you/they see it as an oddity.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

We don't struggle with it at all, and we strive to take our freedoms more seriously than those other countries that lay down and roll over for authority of any kind...
my family owes everything it has to unions but that does not entitle them to skirt the rules or step out of line, when they do they need to be reminded of who their boss is.
It would seem that europeans have a long history of being just too willing to turn over the decision making process to others and view self-governance with a gimlet eye...freedom just doesn't work as well over there as it does here and so you/they see it as an oddity.

So you believe that Unions should not protect their members ? Whats the ******* point ?
Teachers have rights as well and you have no idea what this crazy ***** was asking for.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

he also has a responsibility not to abuse the system. 200 requests is an absolute abuse and a waste of public money.

No it is not she was specifically told to do it like that, probably in hopes she would not do it cause it was time consuming

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No it is not she was specifically told to do it like that, probably in hopes she would not do it cause it was time consuming

She is a troll. Read the ******* website if you want the curriculum.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

So you believe that Unions should not protect their members ? Whats the ******* point ?

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No, I believe they do not have "carte blanch" in doing so, the reason you keep missing the point is intentional on your part because once you admit you get the point the discussion will be over for you

Teachers have rights as well and you have no idea what this crazy ***** was asking for.

That does not go to the argument of who the boss is.
and whatever the teachers rights are, the tax payers/ families in that district have a right to ask about them [or anything else that strikes their fancy] unions are for labor, not keeping the town folk in line

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No, I believe they do not have "carte blanch" in doing so, the reason you keep missing the point is intentional on your part because once you admit you get the point the discussion will be over for you


That does not go to the argument of who the boss is.
and whatever the teachers rights are, the tax payers/ families in that district have a right to ask about them [or anything else that strikes their fancy] unions are for labor, not keeping the town folk in line
[/QUOTE]

The unions bosses are the people who pay their subs every month to keep it going. That rule goes for every independent group on the planet. Each MEMBER gets a vote and collectively they decide what the Society does.
Please explain to the class what rights anybody else has to guide the Unions affairs.

The union is asking the courts to judge what information parents have a right to see. How that can seem unreasonable to anyone makes me question their sanity. This is their job.

 

[Soupnazi630]

he also has a responsibility not to abuse the system. 200 requests is an absolute abuse and a waste of public money.

No zshe does not.

There is no abuse of that system.

It is not a waste it is a proper and righteous use of that money which exists for this very purpose

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No zshe does not.

There is no abuse of that system.

It is not a waste it is a proper and righteous use of that money which exists for this very purpose

She is a malignant crank fishing for anything she can find to support her loony political views.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

The unions bosses are the people who pay their subs every month to keep it going.

in other words...taxpayers

That rule goes for every independent group on the planet. Each MEMBER gets a vote and collectively they decide what the Society does.
Please explain to the class what rights anybody else has to guide the Unions affairs.

some members of the class need no further explanation and/but for those that do need further explanation see "tax payers" for that/those rights

The union is asking the courts to judge what information parents have a right to see. How that can seem unreasonable to anyone makes me question their sanity. This is their job.

For one it is not a labor matter, for another it goes to my original claim that unions by being able to insinuate itself between the parents and what they want for their children through the schools that they fund and pay for is counter productive for those opposed to an authoritarian system, [communism works that way, it is a foreign and distasteful concept in the states] the union has no business deciding what is and is not fit for the tax payers to see, that is the mark of facism...

If their is any further question about these rights tommy perhaps you should view this discussion through the lens of what happens if the taxpayers were not to fund the public schools anymore [whether that would happen or not is irrelevant to the point of the exercise] most tax payers do not want to fund the unions anymore because the union is getting fat off the taxpayers while teachers salaries suffer and like most authoritarians they will point the finger elsewhere], common sense and reason allow you to see where the problem originates.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No, I believe they do not have "carte blanch" in doing so, the reason you keep missing the point is intentional on your part because once you admit you get the point the discussion will be over for you


That does not go to the argument of who the boss is.
and whatever the teachers rights are, the tax payers/ families in that district have a right to ask about them [or anything else that strikes their fancy] unions are for labor, not keeping the town folk in line

The unions bosses are the people who pay their subs every month to keep it going. That rule goes for every independent group on the planet. Each MEMBER gets a vote and collectively they decide what the Society does.
Please explain to the class what rights anybody else has to guide the Unions affairs.

The union is asking the courts to judge what information parents have a right to see. How that can seem unreasonable to anyone makes me question their sanity. This is their job.
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Law controls what they can see not the Union. We have federal laws that determine already what is and is not available to be viewed.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The unions bosses are the people who pay their subs every month to keep it going. That rule goes for every independent group on the planet. Each MEMBER gets a vote and collectively they decide what the Society does.
Please explain to the class what rights anybody else has to guide the Unions affairs.

The union is asking the courts to judge what information parents have a right to see. How that can seem unreasonable to anyone makes me question their sanity. This is their job.

Law controls what they can see not the Union. We have federal laws that determine already what is and is not available to be viewed.
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Which is why the Union is going to court. **** me this is hard work.

 

[hadit]

Since no public school in the United States of America is teaching critical race theory to anyone, the lawsuit is bullshit.

This is the new Hillary’s email. Critical race theory being taught in public schools is now the becoming an issue not because it’s happening, but because Republicans can gin up outrage against it easily.

Lies and sleaze are all you have Sleazy. That and Russian propaganda. Why do you continually push Russian and Chinese propaganda Sleazy?

Why are you lying in this forum every day?

When democrats are at foot, it's often easier to prevent disaster from happening than recover from it after it does.