Marxism

[Thunderbird]

Why do some people still cling to Marxism? Marx's system is outdated nonsense.

Bertrand Russell wrote: Marx professed himself an atheist, but retained a cosmic optimism which only theism could justify. Broadly speaking, all the elements in Marx's philosophy which are derived from Hegel are unscientific, in the sense that there is no reason whatever to suppose them true.

Historian Paul Johnson wrote: The truth is, even the most superficial inquiry into Marx’s use of evidence forces one to treat with scepticism everything he wrote which relies on factual data. He can never be trusted. The whole of the key Chapter Eight of Capital is a deliberate and systematic falsification to prove a thesis which an objective examination of the facts showed was untenable.

Marx's predictions regarding inevitable violent revolution in the advanced countries are plainly false.

John Maynard Keynes called Das Kapital "an obsolete economic textbook, which I know to be not only scientifically erroneous but without interest or application for the modern world."

Marx was himself intolerant and in love with violence and so is the movement he created.

Marx: We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Marx and his followers wanted to create a dictatorship. They only pretended to care about the people to gain support. Marxists starved the people and stopped them from electing their leaders.

Mikhail Bakunin described a state built according to the Marxian plan: For the proletariat this will, in reality, be nothing but a barracks: a regime, where regimented workingmen and women will sleep, wake, work, and live to the beat of a drum; where the shrewd and educated will be granted government privileges; and where the mercenary-minded, attracted by the immensity of the international speculations of the state bank, will find a vast field for lucrative, underhanded dealings.

 

[Thunderbird]

Communist atrocities:

Lenin Paints Himself Black With His Own Words

The Black Book of Communism

Opinion | Mao's Great Leap to Famine

Communism is similar to Fascism & Nazism but even worse.

 

[Thunderbird]

Stalin, together with his ally Hitler, started the bloodiest war in human history in 1939.

 

[Thunderbird]

Here are some facts about the Holodomor, Stalin's engineered famine which killed millions: Ukrainian 'Holodomor' (man-made famine) Facts and History

 

[Thunderbird]

The Italian revolutionary Giuseppe Mazzini called Marx “a destructive spirit whose heart was filled with hatred rather than love of mankind"

Mazzini also said Marx was "extraordinarily sly, shifty and taciturn. Marx is very jealous of his authority as leader of the Party; against his political rivals and opponents he is vindictive and implacable; he does not rest until he has beaten them down; his overriding characteristic is boundless ambition and thirst for power. Despite the communist egalitarianism which he preaches he is the absolute ruler of his party; admittedly he does everything himself but he is also the only one to give orders and he tolerates no opposition".

 

[Thunderbird]

Marx's partner Friedrich Engels also can't be trusted .

Friedrich Engels and the England of the 1840s | History Today

 

[Inmar]

You're a complete jerk.

 

[Picaro]

Marx himself abandoned his theories when Carl Menger and others began publishing their work; he couldn't rebut their data without looking like a fool. Marxism was kept alive by Engels, who as a publisher stood the make the most off of it, both financially and popularity wise, as a 'star' of the milieu. The reason it's still popular is because of its Xian hate and its perfect system of oppression and totalitarianism so admired by sociopaths everywhere, and non-Germans who don't find Nazism a good fit, as it's too ethnic' for broad appeal, and is essentially the same thing in practice.

 

[Comrade Johnson]

Why do some people still cling to Marxism? Marx's system is outdated nonsense.

Absolutely. A kind of Fascism.

 

[TNHarley]

You're a complete jerk.

why

 

[Comrade Johnson]

You're a complete jerk.

why

Because, Inmar is a great patriot of the Soviet Union, where this shit was an official idealogy. He believes that Stalin saved the world from Nazies, communists are good and everybody who disagrees is a jerk

 

[Selivan]

я вааще фигею...
таких "топикстартеров" надо в Сибирь отправлять снег чистить, а они тут типа "дискуссии" разводят
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уверен, что ОНО - "древний УКР"

 

[regent]

How old is Marx?
Republicans have been running against Marx all my life, and I hope Marx dies pretty soon so we can attend to America and America's problems.

 

[Thunderbird]

Russia without Communism is great!

And there's Russian writers, Russian scientists, Russian music, etc.

 

[Tehon]

Marx's system is outdated nonsense.

Nonsense! The very fact that you are cheering on Trump exposes your lie that Marx is outdated. You're just not equipped to understand what is really transpiring in our world.



What is free trade, what is free trade under the present condition of society? It is freedom of capital. When you have overthrown the few national barriers which still restrict the progress of capital, you will merely have given it complete freedom of action. ...

But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.

Marx & Engels, On Free Trade (1848)

 

[Thunderbird]

Nonsense! The very fact that you are cheering on Trump exposes your lie that Marx is outdated. You're just not equipped to understand what is really transpiring in our world.

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Marx & Engels believed that capitalism inevitably leads to widespread misery and violent revolution. Their belief is contrary to logic and evidence, it is just a superstition. Capitalism has in fact raised hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. No advanced capitalist country has ever endured a violent Communist revolution.

Some people think that capitalism should be combined with various government programs. Notice that Marx & Engels also oppose these reformers. Marx & Engels don't want improvement, which they believe will delay their mythical Communist utopia.

So Marx's legacy is:

1) An irrational hatred of free markets
2) Opposition to reforms which might improve society
3) Devotion to violent revolutions which only bring tyranny

In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.

Regarding open borders, it's Marx & globalist corporations vs. Trump & working folk.

 

[Tehon]

So Marx's legacy is:

1) An irrational hatred of free markets

This statement is ignorant. Read what Marx intended to say at the Free Trade Congress in 1847. You will see that there was no irrational hatred of free trade but instead a healthy understanding of it and he states unequivocally that he does not favor protectionism.
http://www.slp.org/pdf/marx/free-trade.pdf

2) Opposition to reforms which might improve society

He does not believe in stopgaps that do not remedy the problem of exploitation. History has proven him correct. All of FDR's reforms are under attack.

3) Devotion to violent revolutions which only bring tyranny

He did not promote violence as a means of revolution. He merely understood that historically, social upheavals are accompanied by it. It is inevitable that the capitalist class will resort to violence in protecting their wealth. History has shown this to be true as well.

Regarding open borders, it's Marx & globalist corporations vs. Trump & working folk.

So Marx wasn't for the working folk? You discredit yourself.

And you further discredit yourself by maintaining the mistaken belief that Trump is.

 

[Thunderbird]

He does not believe in stopgaps that do not remedy the problem of exploitation. History has proven him correct. All of FDR's reforms are under attack.

But as a Marxist you should oppose these reforms! And government non-military spending is as large as ever.

He did not promote violence as a means of revolution. He merely understood that historically, social upheavals are accompanied by it. It is inevitable that the capitalist class will resort to violence in protecting their wealth. History has shown this to be true as well.

You admit that according to Marx's crackpot theories violent revolutions are inevitable.

So Marx wasn't for the working folk? You discredit yourself.

Marxists who have established murderous dictatorships and starved working folk have discredited your movement.

 

[Tehon]

But as a Marxist you should oppose these reforms! And government non-military spending is as large as ever.

What makes you think I don't. For instance, I oppose the democrat's efforts to arbitrarily raise the minimum wage.

You admit that according to Marx's crackpot theories violent revolutions are inevitable.

Admitting that societal upheavals are often accompanied by violence is not the same as devotion to violence as a means of revolution, which is what you suggested.

Marxists who have established murderous dictatorships and starved working folk have discredited your movement.

Only in the minds of people who have been convinced that there is no alternative to capitalism.

 

[HenryBHough]

Q. What do John F. Kennedy and Karl Marx have in common?

A. Neither would be allowed membership in today's Democrat Party.

Q. Why?

A. Their politics are far too much to the right.