Marxism

[Tehon]

How exactly am I doing that?

You are a Marxist, correct?

That is fair to say.

Explain how we get from Marx to mass murder.

It's not a great distance.

Read my posts in this thread and tell me where you disagree.

Freedoms are discarded during violent revolutions. The revolutionary leaders are not eager to restore these freedoms.

All you have done is copy and paste,

That is not true.

You made the statement, now you explain it.

I have.

At the very least go through your own C&P and put it into your own words.

You imply that you are a great scholar of Marxism, yet you are afraid to share your wisdom. Why?

You made a specific statement connecting Marx to mass murder orchestrated by the state. But in order to justify your statement you have asked me to peruse the various C&P links you have presented and decipher your argument. Why wouldn't you just show me the connection so I can see what is your point? Point to one C&P if that helps you. I'm not a mind reader.

The simple truth is that despite your ignorantly held beliefs, you can't make the connection between state atrocities and the writings of Karl Marx.

And I do appreciate you demonstrating it for anyone who may be paying attention.

 

[Tehon]

Marx is still influential within government bureaucracies, the media, and especially academia. Some twisted bureaucrats, celebrities, and academics hope to acquire power via Marxism.

How does Marxism help people acquire power?

 

[Tehon]

Marx's predictions regarding inevitable violent revolution in the advanced countries are plainly false.

How do you explain the reactionary rise of European Fascism following WWI?

 

[Thunderbird]

Marx's predictions regarding inevitable violent revolution in the advanced countries are plainly false.

How do you explain the reactionary rise of European Fascism following WWI?

Fascism & Nazism are very similar to Communism. They are all totalitarian movements that arose in failed states. These movements promised a future utopia and delivered mass murder. Creating a perfect society always seems to involve killing a lot of actual human beings.

 

[Thunderbird]

Marx is still influential within government bureaucracies, the media, and especially academia. Some twisted bureaucrats, celebrities, and academics hope to acquire power via Marxism.

How does Marxism help people acquire power?

Isn't it obvious? Marxists create dictatorships supposedly to build a workers' paradise. The paradise never comes but the dictatorship remains. It's a great con game, but it only works in desperate, failed nations.

 

[Thunderbird]

The simple truth is that despite your ignorantly held beliefs, you can't make the connection between state atrocities and the writings of Karl Marx.

You make a great show of being an erudite Marxist scholar, but I see no evidence for your claim.

 

[Tehon]

Marx's predictions regarding inevitable violent revolution in the advanced countries are plainly false.

How do you explain the reactionary rise of European Fascism following WWI?

Fascism & Nazism are very similar to Communism. They are all totalitarian movements that arose in failed states. These movements promised a future utopia and delivered mass murder. Creating a perfect society always seems to involve killing a lot of actual human beings.

In reality, they rose up to squash the rising tide of socialism.

 

[Tehon]

The simple truth is that despite your ignorantly held beliefs, you can't make the connection between state atrocities and the writings of Karl Marx.

You make a great show of being an erudite Marxist scholar, but I see no evidence for your claim.

You having not made any connection is all the evidence I need.

 

[Tehon]

Marx is still influential within government bureaucracies, the media, and especially academia. Some twisted bureaucrats, celebrities, and academics hope to acquire power via Marxism.

How does Marxism help people acquire power?

Isn't it obvious? Marxists create dictatorships supposedly to build a workers' paradise. The paradise never comes but the dictatorship remains. It's a great con game, but it only works in desperate, failed nations.

That is Karl Marx's fault?

I think this quote from The German Ideology is instructive. Don't you?

Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.

Karl Marx

 

[Thunderbird]

Marx is still influential within government bureaucracies, the media, and especially academia. Some twisted bureaucrats, celebrities, and academics hope to acquire power via Marxism.

How does Marxism help people acquire power?

Isn't it obvious? Marxists create dictatorships supposedly to build a workers' paradise. The paradise never comes but the dictatorship remains. It's a great con game, but it only works in desperate, failed nations.

That is Karl Marx's fault?

I think this quote from The German Ideology is instructive. Don't you?

Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.

Karl Marx

Marx claimed to believe:
(1) that the existence of classes is only bound up with the particular, historical phases in the development of production,
(2) that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat,
(3) that this dictatorship itself only constitutes the transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.

So we need a dictatorship to create a utopia. Great con game.

 

[Inmar]

Communism - public property, equality, internationalism, the absence of racial, interethnic segregation
Nazism - private property, inequality, the superiority of one nation over others, racial segregation
Capitalism is private property, inequality, the declaration of equality of nations and races.

Thus, Nazism is closer to capitalism

This topstarter has a complete mess in my head, it's not surprising, because in America they can brainwash

He even believes that in Korea, communism. Laugh... In Korea, the Juche idea, which is nationalism with totalitarian habits

 

[Thunderbird]

Marx's predictions regarding inevitable violent revolution in the advanced countries are plainly false.

How do you explain the reactionary rise of European Fascism following WWI?

Fascism & Nazism are very similar to Communism. They are all totalitarian movements that arose in failed states. These movements promised a future utopia and delivered mass murder. Creating a perfect society always seems to involve killing a lot of actual human beings.

In reality, they rose up to squash the rising tide of socialism.

Are you really this ignorant? Of course there were strong socialist elements within both Fascism and Nazism.

 

[Thunderbird]

Communism - public property, equality, internationalism, the absence of racial, interethnic segregation

What a laugh! Communism = inequality. Marx was himself a racist.

Marx’s racism

 

[Thunderbird]

He even believes that in Korea, communism. Laugh... In Korea, the Juche idea, which is nationalism with totalitarian habits

For Marxists no actual Communist nations are really Communist. This is because Marx's future classless society is a mirage.

 

[Inmar]

Communism - public property, equality, internationalism, the absence of racial, interethnic segregation

What a laugh! Communism = inequality. Marx was himself a racist.

Marx’s racism

I say - a complete brainwashing ...
Why do you give me a link, calculated at your level?

Since the Revolution, racial, ethnic and national oppression has been prosecuted in the USSR by law
Marxism you do not know.
Proletarian internationalism is one of the foundations of the class struggle. That is, the proletariat of all countries, regardless of nationality, unites and fights against the bourgeoisie

 

[Inmar]

He even believes that in Korea, communism. Laugh... In Korea, the Juche idea, which is nationalism with totalitarian habits

For Marxists no actual Communist nations are really Communist. This is because Marx's future classless society is a mirage.

Oh my God. It's just laughter ...
In Korea, not Marxism and not even Stalinism, but Kimcherin. You do not know anything!

In short, it's not interesting to argue with you

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why do some people still cling to Marxism? Marx's system is outdated nonsense.

Bertrand Russell wrote: Marx professed himself an atheist, but retained a cosmic optimism which only theism could justify. Broadly speaking, all the elements in Marx's philosophy which are derived from Hegel are unscientific, in the sense that there is no reason whatever to suppose them true.

Historian Paul Johnson wrote: The truth is, even the most superficial inquiry into Marx’s use of evidence forces one to treat with scepticism everything he wrote which relies on factual data. He can never be trusted. The whole of the key Chapter Eight of Capital is a deliberate and systematic falsification to prove a thesis which an objective examination of the facts showed was untenable.

Marx's predictions regarding inevitable violent revolution in the advanced countries are plainly false.

John Maynard Keynes called Das Kapital "an obsolete economic textbook, which I know to be not only scientifically erroneous but without interest or application for the modern world."

Marx was himself intolerant and in love with violence and so is the movement he created.

Marx: We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Marx and his followers wanted to create a dictatorship. They only pretended to care about the people to gain support. Marxists starved the people and stopped them from electing their leaders.

Mikhail Bakunin described a state built according to the Marxian plan: For the proletariat this will, in reality, be nothing but a barracks: a regime, where regimented workingmen and women will sleep, wake, work, and live to the beat of a drum; where the shrewd and educated will be granted government privileges; and where the mercenary-minded, attracted by the immensity of the international speculations of the state bank, will find a vast field for lucrative, underhanded dealings.

lol

Preaching to the choir fallacy.

You’re getting your panties in a bunch over a non-issue.

 

[Tehon]

Marx is still influential within government bureaucracies, the media, and especially academia. Some twisted bureaucrats, celebrities, and academics hope to acquire power via Marxism.

How does Marxism help people acquire power?

Isn't it obvious? Marxists create dictatorships supposedly to build a workers' paradise. The paradise never comes but the dictatorship remains. It's a great con game, but it only works in desperate, failed nations.

That is Karl Marx's fault?

I think this quote from The German Ideology is instructive. Don't you?

Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.

Karl Marx

Marx claimed to believe:
(1) that the existence of classes is only bound up with the particular, historical phases in the development of production,
(2) that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat,
(3) that this dictatorship itself only constitutes the transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.

So we need a dictatorship to create a utopia. Great con game.

To put it into perspective, we now live in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

Do you understand?

 

[regent]

Has any nation since Marx came on the scene actually practiced Marx's communism?

 

[Selivan]

Inmar will beat you all.
He grew up in the USSR and studied Marxism in practice.
And you are all talkers
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I do not agree with some of his conclusions, but, in general, he is right ..