Martial Law

[g5000]

Who'd be prosecuting Trump when he's immune to any act carried out as part of his official duties?

Yes and its precisely because of those inexcusable grey areas that Trump was not arrested and banned from politics, the law didn't stop him then and it certainly could not stop him in the event a coup, all he needs is military support and with his loyal sycophants running the armed forces it's all in the bag.

Trump will never have military support for a coup.

The military is not allowed to obey an unlawful order.

 

[BackAgain]

Thank you for contributing your massive ignorance to this conversation.

Which you’re too stupid to even try to refute.

 

[g5000]

Its none of the United States' fuckin business how the Koreans run their country. The US split it in two now its time to correct that imperialist anomaly. The US should bring its 28,000 troops home so they can decamp and start working for their country to fill all the new jobs Trump will create after the mass deportation.

We already have full employment. Anyone who wants a job has one.

Immigrants are doing the dirty jobs Americans won't do.

Like Melania.

 

[g5000]

Which you’re too stupid to even try to refute.

Already did. Knocked his ignorant dick right in the dirt.

 

[Mac-7]

You don’t have to be a genius to see that declaring martial law in the middle of the night and blaming North Koreans is pretty absurd.

Since you have only been studying South Korea since you heard the news about martial law this morning your opinions carry no weight

Or very little

I wish we had more information to go on

 

[BackAgain]

Already did. Knocked his ignorant dick right in the dirt.

I like it when you post in invisible ink.

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[Mac-7]

Immigrants are doing the dirty jobs Americans won't do.

Which Americans?

Able bodied welfare bums?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Trump will never have military support for a coup.

The military is not allowed to obey an unlawful order.

If Trump cannot be prosecuted for any order issued as part of his official duties then by definition obeying such order cannot be unlawful but disobeying it could be harmful to one's health.

 

[scruffy]

You’re delusional.

Trump and Yoon represent the global shift to right wing authoritarianism.

They’re weakening democracy.

Lefties need a little authority.

They need to learn that burn, loot, and murder is unacceptable. Democratically or any other way.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Evidently Yoon has seen the light (of the WML) and is rescinding the martial law order.

 

[progressive hunter]

And just like that, we see why fascism is considered a right wing ideology.

not in this country

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Since you have only been studying South Korea since you heard the news about martial law this morning your opinions carry no weight

Or very little

I wish we had more information to go on

Read The Time of Israel, you know they're infallible

 

[Marener]

Since you have only been studying South Korea since you heard the news about martial law this morning your opinions carry no weight

Or very little

I wish we had more information to go on

When did I say I’ve only been studying North Korea since this morning?

 

[BackAgain]

Since you have only been studying South Korea since you heard the news about martial law this morning your opinions carry no weight

Or very little

I wish we had more information to go on

BBC reports:

 

[Marener]

not in this country

In every country.

 

[Mac-7]

When did I say I’ve only been studying North Korea since this morning?

Ok

The time is exactly 12 noon CST

What exactly are the issues separating Yoon and the parliment

I’ll give you 2 minutes to respond

 

[MisterBeale]

There are already Congressional statutes in place which limit the powers of a president who declares martial law.

For example, the Posse Comitatus Act pre-emptively forbids the federal military from performing civilian law enforcement duties without express Congressional authority.

Under the Insurrection Act, the military may assist civil authorities with law enforcement, but they can't take over the government.

There are a lot of gray areas which have not been clearly defined. However, even under martial law, the Constitution is still in effect, and anyone detained by the military authorities in a police action is still entitled to a writ of habeas corpus, as Lincoln found out the hard way.

Yeah, but. . . Obama did away with those protections when he signed the NDAA 2012

Obama's Most Fateful Decision

The 2012 National Defense Authorization Act, if signed into law, will signal the death knell of our constitutional republic and the formal inception of a legalized police state in the United States.

www.huffpost.com

Talking Points: 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) | American Civil Liberties Union

On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history. (To learn more about the NDAA, visit www.aclu.org/NDAA). The law is an historic threat...

www.aclu.org

• The law is an historic threat because it codifies indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history. It could permit the president – and all future presidents – to order the military to imprison indefinitely civilians captured far from any battlefield without charge or trial.
• This kind of sweeping detention power is completely at odds with our American values, violates the Constitution, and corrodes our Nation’s commitment to the rule of law, which generations have fought to preserve.
• The breadth of the NDAA’s worldwide detention authority violates the Constitution and international law because it is not limited to people captured in an actual armed conflict, as required by the laws of war.
• Under the Bush administration, claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way. The ACLU does not believe that the NDAA authorizes military detention of American citizens or anyone else in the United States. Any president’s claim of domestic military detention authority under the NDAA would be unconstitutional and illegal.
• Nevertheless, there is substantial public debate and uncertainty around whether Sections 1021 and 1022 of the NDAA could be read even to repeal the Posse Comitatus Act and authorize indefinite military detention without charge or trial within the United States.
• The law does not require even an allegation that a detained person caused any harm or threat of harm to the United States or to any U.S. interest. Mere allegation of membership in, or support of, an alleged terrorist group could be the basis for indefinite detention. Under the American justice system, we don’t just lock people up indefinitely based on suspicion.
• Congress and the president should clean up the mess they created. Congress should repeal the NDAA’s detention provisions.
• More than ten years after the 9/11 attacks, with the United States withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States should not be asserting new worldwide authority for the military to imprison persons seized in any country.
• We have seen how disregard for the rule of law has disastrous results for America’s standing in the world. It is time for a return to the rule of law. It is time to turn that page.

 

[progressive hunter]

In every country.

you ever heard of the americna experiment where we created a whole new system of government??

 

[g5000]

Which Americans?

Able bodied welfare bums?

Ask any large scale farmer. They offer $20 bucks an hour, and no Americans take it.

An American is not going to leave their tract house, climb into their Ford Focus, and drive 200 miles to pick strawberries for a couple weeks, then drive 200 miles in the opposite direction to pick asparagus.

It's called MIGRANT work for a reason.

Every prosperous nation has a large immigrant population which does all the dirty jobs the natives won't do. It's all a part of prosperity.

Our problem is not illegal immigrants. Our problem is our quota system is broken and is not providing the supply of legal labor to meet the demand.

Ask any large scale farmer.

And no American wants to let an oozing 350-pound pile of pasty goo climb on top of them, either.

That's why we have Melania.