Manufacturers moved to China so now they can pay to move themselves back.

capitalists are pro freedom which includes respecting the decisions free people make in the market place. You want a lib-Nazi controlling their freedom?
In your case a free market is a mindless market where powerful chinese mercantilism competes with private companies and governments who are bound by rules that china does not respect
 
I just said 2 lines above: "Of course military and health care should not be totally dependent on foreign totalitarian govt that might turn hostile at any time!"
I consider that a throwaway line since you spend the rest of your time defending cheap stuff from china as an ultimate expression of freedom for American consumers
 
I just said 2 lines above: "Of course military and health care should not be totally dependent on foreign totalitarian govt that might turn hostile at any time!"
I consider that a throwaway line since you spend the rest of your time defending cheap stuff from china as an ultimate expression of freedom for American consumers

Yes, cheap stuff from China India Europe Texas or Los Angeles is how we raise our standard of living. Are you opposed to capitalism?
 
capitalists are pro freedom which includes respecting the decisions free people make in the market place. You want a lib-Nazi controlling their freedom?
In your case a free market is a mindless market where powerful chinese mercantilism competes with private companies and governments who are bound by rules that china does not respect
??? Sounds as if you think mercantilism beats capitalism. Should we witch??
 
I just said 2 lines above: "Of course military and health care should not be totally dependent on foreign totalitarian govt that might turn hostile at any time!"
I consider that a throwaway line since you spend the rest of your time defending cheap stuff from china as an ultimate expression of freedom for American consumers

Yes, cheap stuff from China India Europe Texas or Los Angeles is how we raise our standard of living. Are you opposed to capitalism?
You are not raising your standard of living when you produce nothing and exist on borrowed money

sooner or late the credit card maxes out and we become Greece
 
capitalists are pro freedom which includes respecting the decisions free people make in the market place. You want a lib-Nazi controlling their freedom?
In your case a free market is a mindless market where powerful chinese mercantilism competes with private companies and governments who are bound by rules that china does not respect
??? Sounds as if you think mercantilism beats capitalism. Should we witch??
Mercantilism was in its heyday during the Industrial Revolution

It was an unfair system then when true liberals railed against it and its unfair now when china practices it

we dont have to return to the old ways but neither do we have to become the victims of it ourselves

but its an uphill battle with so many short-sighted Americans and euros to convince that china is not your friend
 
I just said 2 lines above: "Of course military and health care should not be totally dependent on foreign totalitarian govt that might turn hostile at any time!"
I consider that a throwaway line since you spend the rest of your time defending cheap stuff from china as an ultimate expression of freedom for American consumers

Yes, cheap stuff from China India Europe Texas or Los Angeles is how we raise our standard of living. Are you opposed to capitalism?
You are not raising your standard of living when you produce nothing and exist on borrowed money

sooner or late the credit card maxes out and we become Greece

USA has less debt than China Japan Europe. Greece is Greece because it is socialist.
 
too many people are just selling services but produce nothing of tangible value

actually a few folks are buying $20 trillion of our services when they might buy something of "tangible value" with their hard earned money!!
 
It was an unfair system then when true liberals railed against it and its unfair now when china practices it

what is best example of this unfairness? Sounds like you are afraid of the competition and so want to protect and cripple our economic so it is no longer world class?
 
that china is not your friend

Its mostly my friend; when I buy from them they save me money which I can then spend on other things to raise my standard of living. Agree that military and health care must not be dependent on them since they are a potential adversary.
 
It was an unfair system then when true liberals railed against it and its unfair now when china practices it

what is best example of this unfairness? Sounds like you are afraid of the competition and so want to protect and cripple our economic so it is no longer world class?
Pick virtually any product china sells in the US

There is nothing competitive about it except price

and that is achieved through slave wages, inhumane working conditions, no environmental controls, and theft of intellectual property

do you expect American workers to compete with that?
 
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too many people are just selling services but produce nothing of tangible value

actually a few folks are buying $20 trillion of our services when they might buy something of "tangible value" with their hard earned money!!
We are selling imported products to each other, while others clean our carpets or groom our dog

its just a house of cards
 
Over the next decade, the U.S. is projected to lose more than 1.5 million jobs to automation. China is slated to lose almost 12.5 million, the European Union will lose nearly 2 million jobs and South Korea will lose almost 800,000. Other countries around the world are expected lose 3 million jobs to robots by 2030.


We know that 80% of manufacturing jobs from this country moved to automation and not to China.

People keep saying we are losing millions of jobs to China, while China is losing millions of jobs. And they’re losing their jobs to automation.

and this is why education is so critical and so important. Because those kind of jobs that don’t require education are simply going away. They’re even looking at automating truck driving and taxis. Whoever thought that could happen?


Results from another recent Pew survey indicate that those views have persisted. In July, only 33 percent of Republican survey respondents said higher ed had a positive effect. And 59 percent believed higher ed had a negative effect on the country’s direction, the highest number in the survey’s findings so far.
 
There is nothing competitive about it except price
you don't keep up. I just bought bathroom faucets from China because they were more creative than anything else I was able to find anywhere in the world. And, they cost literally about 5% of what an American company would have charged. They are coming from all directions.
 
There is nothing competitive about it except price
you don't keep up. I just bought bathroom faucets from China because they were more creative than anything else I was able to find anywhere in the world. And, they cost literally about 5% of what an American company would have charged. They are coming from all directions.
I dont think the price difference is that great

but slave labor and no regulations does give them a great advantage
 
and that is achieved through slave ways,

Totally stupid. Chinese are free to take and quit jobs and free to take the highest pay offered to them. Thats not slavery!!!! Further, 800 million just moved up into the middle class thanks to the huge wages they are paid.
 

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