Mandela’s grandson on visit: ‘Israel is the worst apartheid regime'

[flacaltenn]

If those marchers are 1000 Abis -- then they don't KNOW what the ACTUAL oppressed Palis actually WANT. They do NOT want "Israeli rights and privileges".. Show me a demonstration during an Intifada for Israel citizen rights.

 

[fanger]

If those marchers are 1000 Abis -- then they don't KNOW what the ACTUAL oppressed Palis actually WANT. They do NOT want "Israeli rights and privileges".. Show me a demonstration during an Intifada for Israel citizen rights.

Why would Christian and Muslim Palestinians want "The jewish nation's" citizenship?

 

[flacaltenn]

If those marchers are 1000 Abis -- then they don't KNOW what the ACTUAL oppressed Palis actually WANT. They do NOT want "Israeli rights and privileges".. Show me a demonstration during an Intifada for Israel citizen rights.

Why would Christian and Muslim Palestinians want "The jewish nation's" citizenship?

That's what I'm asking you genius. You said that Equal Rights would be a start. THEY DON'T WANT equal Israeli rights. They WANT their OWN nation..

So all this bullshit about Apartheid is just street march chant... Not reality..

 

[fanger]

Should Israel be a democracy in which a minority enjoys equal rights, or an ethnocracy for Jews who believe that their right to the Land of Israel is greater than any other human right?
We must stop Israel from becoming a theocracy

 

[USAF 2023]

This guy might know a little something, yes?

“The settlements I saw here [in the West Bank] reminded me of what we had suffered in South Africa because we also were surrounded by many settlements and were not allowed to move from one place to another freely.

Palestinians are being subjected to the worst version of apartheid.”

He added: “Israel is the worst apartheid regime” and called for the continued support of BDS and for South Africa to cut all ties with “apartheid Israel.”

“What we have experienced in South Africa is a fraction of what the Palestinians are experiencing,” Mandela said in an interview with Royal News English on Sunday. “We were oppressed in order to serve the white minority. The Palestinians are being eliminated off their land and brought out of their territories, and this is a total human-rights violations. I think it is a total disgrace that the world is able to sit back while such atrocities are being carried out by apartheid Israel.”

...he demanded “that all ties be cut with Israel... no trade ties, no cultural ties and no travel! We demand that Israel complies with International law and demand the return of six million Palestinian refugees driven from the land of their birth. We demand that all occupied land be returned, and we condemn the continued expansion of illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land.”

He continued: “Today, we stand to salute the brave and fearless Palestinian people who are facing the brutal might of the Israeli Army to defend al-Aksa with their bare hands. We demand that all occupied land be returned. Madiba [Nelson Mandela’s clan name] reminded us that our freedom is incomplete until Palestine is free.”

Mandela’s grandson on visit: ‘Israel is the worst apartheid regime'

“ Palestine is free” means he is advocating the extermination of Israel. Not surprising by the Negro. Like father( and others) like son

 

[USAF 2023]

I have read that some very thoughtful Israelis feel that annexing the West Bank was, in hindsight, one of the biggest mistakes (and perhaps the biggest mistake) in the history of that young nation.

Maybe Jordan should have stayed out of the 67 War

 

[fanger]

We demand that all occupied land be returned. Madiba [Nelson Mandela’s clan name] reminded us that our freedom is incomplete until Palestine is free.”
The occupied territory is not Israeli land is it

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Lemme put this in the "street theater rhetoric" that you will understand. This is not "segregation" -- it's "nationalism". And this is what is what their nationalism is about.

WHAT DO WE WANT --- Palestine !!!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT --- Now !!!
WHERE DO WE WANT IT -- From the Med to the River !!!

THERE's your actual problem..

Not Apartheid.

Isn't that exactly what the jewish illegal immigrants took?

By whose determination is it "illegal"? Yours?

 

[abi]

Mandela's grandson isn't a legal scholar. The finest legal scholars (who are also well known critics of the Israeli government such as Judge Dennis Davis and Judge Goldstone) have published articles on how Israel is not an apartheid state, as racial discrimination is not legally entrenched. It is known as the apartheid slander.
Opinion | Israel and the Apartheid Slander
Q&A: 'Israel In a Weak Parallel with Apartheid' | Inter Press Service

He does not have to be a legal scholar. He lived it. His family was instrumental in bring it to an end. And there is a database with many laws created by the zionists that are clearly discriminatory. Not only is it fair what Mandela claimed, it is obvious from the legal system itself.

 

[fanger]

Lemme put this in the "street theater rhetoric" that you will understand. This is not "segregation" -- it's "nationalism". And this is what is what their nationalism is about.

WHAT DO WE WANT --- Palestine !!!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT --- Now !!!
WHERE DO WE WANT IT -- From the Med to the River !!!

THERE's your actual problem..

Not Apartheid.

Isn't that exactly what the jewish illegal immigrants took?

By whose determination is it "illegal"? Yours?

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 (S/RES/242) was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day War. It was adopted under Chapter VI of the UN Charter.[1] The resolution was sponsored by British ambassador Lord Caradon and was one of five drafts under consideration.[2]

The preamble [3] refers to the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security".

Operative Paragraph One "Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 - Wikipedia

By whose determination is it not "illegal"? Yours?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Lemme put this in the "street theater rhetoric" that you will understand. This is not "segregation" -- it's "nationalism". And this is what is what their nationalism is about.

WHAT DO WE WANT --- Palestine !!!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT --- Now !!!
WHERE DO WE WANT IT -- From the Med to the River !!!

THERE's your actual problem..

Not Apartheid.

Isn't that exactly what the jewish illegal immigrants took?

By whose determination is it "illegal"? Yours?

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 (S/RES/242) was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day War. It was adopted under Chapter VI of the UN Charter.[1] The resolution was sponsored by British ambassador Lord Caradon and was one of five drafts under consideration.[2]

The preamble [3] refers to the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security".

Operative Paragraph One "Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 - Wikipedia

By whose determination is it not "illegal"? Yours?

Pardon me, but your ignorance of history is showing. What happened in 1973?

 

[fanger]

21 July – Lillehammer affair: Israeli Mossad agents assassinate a Moroccan waiter in Lillehammer.?

 

[Roudy]

Mandela was right.

There is a database of actual laws in Israel that are discriminatory.

I chose a Jewish site again for reference:
The most serious discriminations were established early and relate to land control and citizenship. First, the state took over and controlled approximately 93 percent of all lands within the 1949 cease fire lines, and the state has subsequently used this land preferentially for its Jewish majority by making land available to Jews for development, and denying building permits and the ability to develop land to Palestinians. Second, the state established discriminatory preferences about who could immigrate, return to, or stay—in short belong—in the land as a citizen.

1. 1950 law about confiscation of Absentee Landlord Property. This law defines persons who were expelled, fled, or who left the country after November 29, 1947 as “absentee.” Property belonging to “absentees” was placed under the control of the State of Israel with the Custodian for Absentees’ Property. The Absentee Property Law was the main legal instrument used by Israel to take possession of the land belonging to the internal and external Palestinian refugees, and Muslim Waqf properties across the state. This law continues to be used to this day by quasi-governmental agencies in Israel to take over Palestinian properties in East Jerusalem, for example.

1. 1950 Law of Return. This allows every Jewish person to immigrate to Israel and this extends to the children and grandchildren of Jews, as well as their spouses, and the spouses of their children and grandchildren. The flip side of this is that the rights of Palestinians and others to enter the state and become citizens, even if they were born in the area that is now the State of Israel, are extremely restrictive. This discrimination against the non-Jewish minority has been periodically reinforced. For example, the ban on family unification law of 2003 prohibits citizens of Israel from reuniting with Palestinian spouses living in the West Bank or Gaza.

1. In 1952 the state authorized the World Zionist Organization, the Jewish Agency, and other Zionist bodies founded at the turn of the 20th century to function in Israel as quasi-governmental entities in order to further advance the goals of the Zionist movement, to the detriment of minorities.

1. The Land Acquisition Law of 1953 transferred the land of 349 Arab towns and villages—approximately 1.2 million dunams in all (~468 square miles)—to the state to be used preferentially for the Jewish majority.

1. In 1953, the Knesset bestowed governmental authorities on the Jewish National Fund (JNF or Keren Kayemeth LeIsrael) to purchase land for exclusively Jewish use. The state granted financial advantages, including tax relief to facilitate such purchases.

1. In 1960, the state passed a law which stipulates that the ownership of “Israel lands”—namely the 93% of land under the control of the state, the Jewish National Fund, and the Development Authority—cannot be transferred in any manner.

Although most Palestinians that remained in 1949 were granted Israeli citizenship, they were subject to martial law until 1966. Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966. Once Palestinians were relieved from martial law, laws were passed to clearly define the primacy of ethnically Jewish Israelis.

1. In 1969, the state passed a law that gave statutory recognition to cultural and educational institutions, and defined their aims, inter alia, as developing and fulfilling Zionist goals to promote Jewish culture and education at the expense of minority goals.

1. There is a law mandating that Knesset session must be opened with a reading of portions of Israel’s declaration of independence that emphasizes the exclusive connection of the state of Israel to the Jewish people.

1. There is a law that bans any political party that denies the existence of Israel as a “Jewish” state. In other words, a party that would advocate equal rights for all citizens of Israel irrespective of ethnicity would not be allowed to enter the Knesset.

1. There are laws that establish separate educational systems which are then unequally administered.

More recently, the Knesset has passed laws to defend against efforts to bring the Palestinian minority onto a more equal footing.

1. In 2011 the Knesset passed a law that empowers hundreds of local Jewish communities to exclude applicants based on ethnicity or religion. The Supreme Court upheld this law in September 2014.

1. In 2011 the Knesset passed a law prohibiting anyone from calling for a boycott of Israel, its institutions, or any person because of their affiliation with Israel, including the settlements in the occupied territories. The law creates a private right of action for persons targeted by a boycott to sue for damages. As Noam Sheizaf puts it: “You can boycott anything in Israel except the occupation.” This vague law is blatantly aimed at Palestinians who are supportive of the BDS movement—while it allows people like Avigdor Lieberman to call for boycott of Arab owned businesses with impunity. The law was upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court on April 15, 2015.

As demonstrated by its decision upholding the boycott law, the Supreme Court of Israel has failed to stem the ever rightward tilt of the Israeli polity.
The Adalah database of 50 discriminatory laws in Israel

The database is here:
Discriminatory Laws in Israel - Adalah

And yet, Israel is the freest most democratic state in the region, with about two million Arab Muslims with the same exact rights as the Jews. Go figure.

 

[Roudy]

Mexicans call the southern border and efforts to keep illegals out apartheid.

Does Mexico know more about apartheid than Mandela?

Does Mandela know about the Mandela Necklace? I don't exactly respect mandela, nor consider that he has anything to say but nonsense. As a point, everyone thinks that their apartheid is just like everyone else's apartheid. Israel is treating the pallys way more gently than they deserve. Pallys deserve to be flattened under tank treads and the splat sprinkled with salt and pig fat.

Be honest, who would know better about apartheid than Mandela?

And what about all the discriminatory laws already pn the books?

Mandela's attention whore spoiled brat son is not Mandela, dipstick.

 

[Roudy]

If those marchers are 1000 Abis -- then they don't KNOW what the ACTUAL oppressed Palis actually WANT. They do NOT want "Israeli rights and privileges".. Show me a demonstration during an Intifada for Israel citizen rights.

Why would Christian and Muslim Palestinians want "The jewish nation's" citizenship?

That's what I'm asking you genius. You said that Equal Rights would be a start. THEY DON'T WANT equal Israeli rights. They WANT their OWN nation..

So all this bullshit about Apartheid is just street march chant... Not reality..

To be more specific, they want a Jew-free nation.

 

[montelatici]

Mandela was right.

There is a database of actual laws in Israel that are discriminatory.

I chose a Jewish site again for reference:
The most serious discriminations were established early and relate to land control and citizenship. First, the state took over and controlled approximately 93 percent of all lands within the 1949 cease fire lines, and the state has subsequently used this land preferentially for its Jewish majority by making land available to Jews for development, and denying building permits and the ability to develop land to Palestinians. Second, the state established discriminatory preferences about who could immigrate, return to, or stay—in short belong—in the land as a citizen.

1. 1950 law about confiscation of Absentee Landlord Property. This law defines persons who were expelled, fled, or who left the country after November 29, 1947 as “absentee.” Property belonging to “absentees” was placed under the control of the State of Israel with the Custodian for Absentees’ Property. The Absentee Property Law was the main legal instrument used by Israel to take possession of the land belonging to the internal and external Palestinian refugees, and Muslim Waqf properties across the state. This law continues to be used to this day by quasi-governmental agencies in Israel to take over Palestinian properties in East Jerusalem, for example.

1. 1950 Law of Return. This allows every Jewish person to immigrate to Israel and this extends to the children and grandchildren of Jews, as well as their spouses, and the spouses of their children and grandchildren. The flip side of this is that the rights of Palestinians and others to enter the state and become citizens, even if they were born in the area that is now the State of Israel, are extremely restrictive. This discrimination against the non-Jewish minority has been periodically reinforced. For example, the ban on family unification law of 2003 prohibits citizens of Israel from reuniting with Palestinian spouses living in the West Bank or Gaza.

1. In 1952 the state authorized the World Zionist Organization, the Jewish Agency, and other Zionist bodies founded at the turn of the 20th century to function in Israel as quasi-governmental entities in order to further advance the goals of the Zionist movement, to the detriment of minorities.

1. The Land Acquisition Law of 1953 transferred the land of 349 Arab towns and villages—approximately 1.2 million dunams in all (~468 square miles)—to the state to be used preferentially for the Jewish majority.

1. In 1953, the Knesset bestowed governmental authorities on the Jewish National Fund (JNF or Keren Kayemeth LeIsrael) to purchase land for exclusively Jewish use. The state granted financial advantages, including tax relief to facilitate such purchases.

1. In 1960, the state passed a law which stipulates that the ownership of “Israel lands”—namely the 93% of land under the control of the state, the Jewish National Fund, and the Development Authority—cannot be transferred in any manner.

Although most Palestinians that remained in 1949 were granted Israeli citizenship, they were subject to martial law until 1966. Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966. Once Palestinians were relieved from martial law, laws were passed to clearly define the primacy of ethnically Jewish Israelis.

1. In 1969, the state passed a law that gave statutory recognition to cultural and educational institutions, and defined their aims, inter alia, as developing and fulfilling Zionist goals to promote Jewish culture and education at the expense of minority goals.

1. There is a law mandating that Knesset session must be opened with a reading of portions of Israel’s declaration of independence that emphasizes the exclusive connection of the state of Israel to the Jewish people.

1. There is a law that bans any political party that denies the existence of Israel as a “Jewish” state. In other words, a party that would advocate equal rights for all citizens of Israel irrespective of ethnicity would not be allowed to enter the Knesset.

1. There are laws that establish separate educational systems which are then unequally administered.

More recently, the Knesset has passed laws to defend against efforts to bring the Palestinian minority onto a more equal footing.

1. In 2011 the Knesset passed a law that empowers hundreds of local Jewish communities to exclude applicants based on ethnicity or religion. The Supreme Court upheld this law in September 2014.

1. In 2011 the Knesset passed a law prohibiting anyone from calling for a boycott of Israel, its institutions, or any person because of their affiliation with Israel, including the settlements in the occupied territories. The law creates a private right of action for persons targeted by a boycott to sue for damages. As Noam Sheizaf puts it: “You can boycott anything in Israel except the occupation.” This vague law is blatantly aimed at Palestinians who are supportive of the BDS movement—while it allows people like Avigdor Lieberman to call for boycott of Arab owned businesses with impunity. The law was upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court on April 15, 2015.

As demonstrated by its decision upholding the boycott law, the Supreme Court of Israel has failed to stem the ever rightward tilt of the Israeli polity.
The Adalah database of 50 discriminatory laws in Israel

The database is here:
Discriminatory Laws in Israel - Adalah

And yet, Israel is the freest most democratic state in the region, with about two million Arab Muslims with the same exact rights as the Jews. Go figure.

Nothing democratic about Israel. Nothing. It is an Apartheid regime that holds non-Jews in modern day Bantustans and uses the same rationale to prevent people under their control from voting. Just like white-ruled South Africa.

 

[Roudy]

Mandela was right.

There is a database of actual laws in Israel that are discriminatory.

I chose a Jewish site again for reference:
The most serious discriminations were established early and relate to land control and citizenship. First, the state took over and controlled approximately 93 percent of all lands within the 1949 cease fire lines, and the state has subsequently used this land preferentially for its Jewish majority by making land available to Jews for development, and denying building permits and the ability to develop land to Palestinians. Second, the state established discriminatory preferences about who could immigrate, return to, or stay—in short belong—in the land as a citizen.

1. 1950 law about confiscation of Absentee Landlord Property. This law defines persons who were expelled, fled, or who left the country after November 29, 1947 as “absentee.” Property belonging to “absentees” was placed under the control of the State of Israel with the Custodian for Absentees’ Property. The Absentee Property Law was the main legal instrument used by Israel to take possession of the land belonging to the internal and external Palestinian refugees, and Muslim Waqf properties across the state. This law continues to be used to this day by quasi-governmental agencies in Israel to take over Palestinian properties in East Jerusalem, for example.

1. 1950 Law of Return. This allows every Jewish person to immigrate to Israel and this extends to the children and grandchildren of Jews, as well as their spouses, and the spouses of their children and grandchildren. The flip side of this is that the rights of Palestinians and others to enter the state and become citizens, even if they were born in the area that is now the State of Israel, are extremely restrictive. This discrimination against the non-Jewish minority has been periodically reinforced. For example, the ban on family unification law of 2003 prohibits citizens of Israel from reuniting with Palestinian spouses living in the West Bank or Gaza.

1. In 1952 the state authorized the World Zionist Organization, the Jewish Agency, and other Zionist bodies founded at the turn of the 20th century to function in Israel as quasi-governmental entities in order to further advance the goals of the Zionist movement, to the detriment of minorities.

1. The Land Acquisition Law of 1953 transferred the land of 349 Arab towns and villages—approximately 1.2 million dunams in all (~468 square miles)—to the state to be used preferentially for the Jewish majority.

1. In 1953, the Knesset bestowed governmental authorities on the Jewish National Fund (JNF or Keren Kayemeth LeIsrael) to purchase land for exclusively Jewish use. The state granted financial advantages, including tax relief to facilitate such purchases.

1. In 1960, the state passed a law which stipulates that the ownership of “Israel lands”—namely the 93% of land under the control of the state, the Jewish National Fund, and the Development Authority—cannot be transferred in any manner.

Although most Palestinians that remained in 1949 were granted Israeli citizenship, they were subject to martial law until 1966. Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966. Once Palestinians were relieved from martial law, laws were passed to clearly define the primacy of ethnically Jewish Israelis.

1. In 1969, the state passed a law that gave statutory recognition to cultural and educational institutions, and defined their aims, inter alia, as developing and fulfilling Zionist goals to promote Jewish culture and education at the expense of minority goals.

1. There is a law mandating that Knesset session must be opened with a reading of portions of Israel’s declaration of independence that emphasizes the exclusive connection of the state of Israel to the Jewish people.

1. There is a law that bans any political party that denies the existence of Israel as a “Jewish” state. In other words, a party that would advocate equal rights for all citizens of Israel irrespective of ethnicity would not be allowed to enter the Knesset.

1. There are laws that establish separate educational systems which are then unequally administered.

More recently, the Knesset has passed laws to defend against efforts to bring the Palestinian minority onto a more equal footing.

1. In 2011 the Knesset passed a law that empowers hundreds of local Jewish communities to exclude applicants based on ethnicity or religion. The Supreme Court upheld this law in September 2014.

1. In 2011 the Knesset passed a law prohibiting anyone from calling for a boycott of Israel, its institutions, or any person because of their affiliation with Israel, including the settlements in the occupied territories. The law creates a private right of action for persons targeted by a boycott to sue for damages. As Noam Sheizaf puts it: “You can boycott anything in Israel except the occupation.” This vague law is blatantly aimed at Palestinians who are supportive of the BDS movement—while it allows people like Avigdor Lieberman to call for boycott of Arab owned businesses with impunity. The law was upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court on April 15, 2015.

As demonstrated by its decision upholding the boycott law, the Supreme Court of Israel has failed to stem the ever rightward tilt of the Israeli polity.
The Adalah database of 50 discriminatory laws in Israel

The database is here:
Discriminatory Laws in Israel - Adalah

And yet, Israel is the freest most democratic state in the region, with about two million Arab Muslims with the same exact rights as the Jews. Go figure.

Nothing democratic about Israel. Nothing. It is an Apartheid regime that holds non-Jews in modern day Bantustans and uses the same rationale to prevent people under their control from voting. Just like white-ruled South Africa.

Wow, what a load of propaganda. You are entitled to your own stupid bigotted opinions, sock creator of Abi.

I noticed that you did not deny that Israel currently has about two million Arab Muslim citizens with the same exact rights as the Jews.

Time to create a new sock, that Abi of yours has totally discredited and embarassed itself.

 

[abi]

Nothing democratic about Israel. Nothing. It is an Apartheid regime that holds non-Jews in modern day Bantustans and uses the same rationale to prevent people under their control from voting. Just like white-ruled South Africa.

And yet, Israel is the freest most democratic state in the region, with about two million Arab Muslims with the same exact rights as the Jews. Go figure.

They don't have the same rights at all. We have been discussing several of Israel's discriminatory laws here:
Israel's supposed racism.

 

[fncceo]

Nothing democratic about Israel.

You mean except universal suffrage, an elected parliament, and multiple parties forming coalition governments, of course.