Mandela’s grandson on visit: ‘Israel is the worst apartheid regime'

[Roudy]

Start with the 'black vs white' comparison of Jews and Arabs.
Hard to take any of it seriously beyond that point.

How can you claim that Mandela cannot identify apartheid when he sees it? That would be like claiming that Brady couldn't identify a football.

Apparently Martin Luther King Jr. thought differently.

 

[TheParser]

I have read that some very thoughtful Israelis feel that annexing the West Bank was, in hindsight, one of the biggest mistakes (and perhaps the biggest mistake) in the history of that young nation.

 

[abi]

And we give kangaroo's arse what Mandela's grandson thinks? What has he done lately other than live off his grandfather's legacy?

Would you give give kangaroo's arse what Neil Armstrong thinks about the moon? I mean, be honest, who would know better about apartheid than Mandela?

 

[Roudy]

And we give kangaroo's arse what Mandela's grandson thinks? What has he done lately other than live off his grandfather's legacy?

Would you give give kangaroo's arse what Neil Armstrong thinks about the moon? I mean, be honest, who would know better about apartheid than Mandela?

Mandela's "grandson" is a nobody and a nothing who's opinions are worth less than the kangaroo's arse.

Besides according to you Muslims, Neil Armstrong converted to Islam when he landed on the moon, so you would know better.

 

[abi]

Since the fall of the South African Apartheid in 1994, no capital – in fact, no other city on the globe – has been divided into 60% first-class full citizens and 40% second-class “residents”. Precisely this, however, is the essence of “united” Jerusalem. When Israel occupied and annexed the eastern parts of the city in 1967, it regretfully found out that they were inhabited – by Palestinians, more than 300.000 of them by now. These Palestinians were not granted the Israeli citizenship, but merely turned into tolerated inhabitants, as if they had somehow infiltrated into their own city. As non-citizens they can participate in municipal elections, but have no voting rights to the Knesset, under whose jurisdiction the whole of Jerusalem falls. If they stay out of Jerusalem for too long (guess who decides how long), they lose even their residence status and be thrown out of the city altogether, as happened to thousands of them.


In 1980 Israel legally – or, as the entire international community finds, illegally – declared the entire united Jerusalem to be its capital. Consequently, about a dozen foreign embassies left Jerusalem and moved to Tel Aviv. Yes, Mr. Trump: your future embassy will not be the first one! You’re a loser on that. Many embassies preceded you, but they all left as soon as the Apartheid in the city was turned into a law....

Jerusalem, the Capital of Apartheid - Antiwar.com Original

 

[abi]

“The Council of the Tshwane University of Technology (TUT) has resolved that TUT will not forge any ties with Israel or any of its organizations and institutions,” TUT spokesman on the issue Professor Rasigan Maharajh said on Wednesday....

“As guided by the founding President of the post-apartheid South Africa, Nelson Mandela, who declared that: ‘We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians’, the Republic of South Africa must also condemn the actions of the Trump regime and work harder at fostering solidarity and cooperation with the peoples of Palestine.”
http://alwaght.com/en/News/119277/Prominent-South-African-University-Boycotts-Israeli-Regime

 

[abi]

Mandela was right.

There is a database of actual laws in Israel that are discriminatory.

I chose a Jewish site again for reference:
The most serious discriminations were established early and relate to land control and citizenship. First, the state took over and controlled approximately 93 percent of all lands within the 1949 cease fire lines, and the state has subsequently used this land preferentially for its Jewish majority by making land available to Jews for development, and denying building permits and the ability to develop land to Palestinians. Second, the state established discriminatory preferences about who could immigrate, return to, or stay—in short belong—in the land as a citizen.

1. 1950 law about confiscation of Absentee Landlord Property. This law defines persons who were expelled, fled, or who left the country after November 29, 1947 as “absentee.” Property belonging to “absentees” was placed under the control of the State of Israel with the Custodian for Absentees’ Property. The Absentee Property Law was the main legal instrument used by Israel to take possession of the land belonging to the internal and external Palestinian refugees, and Muslim Waqf properties across the state. This law continues to be used to this day by quasi-governmental agencies in Israel to take over Palestinian properties in East Jerusalem, for example.

1. 1950 Law of Return. This allows every Jewish person to immigrate to Israel and this extends to the children and grandchildren of Jews, as well as their spouses, and the spouses of their children and grandchildren. The flip side of this is that the rights of Palestinians and others to enter the state and become citizens, even if they were born in the area that is now the State of Israel, are extremely restrictive. This discrimination against the non-Jewish minority has been periodically reinforced. For example, the ban on family unification law of 2003 prohibits citizens of Israel from reuniting with Palestinian spouses living in the West Bank or Gaza.

1. In 1952 the state authorized the World Zionist Organization, the Jewish Agency, and other Zionist bodies founded at the turn of the 20th century to function in Israel as quasi-governmental entities in order to further advance the goals of the Zionist movement, to the detriment of minorities.

1. The Land Acquisition Law of 1953 transferred the land of 349 Arab towns and villages—approximately 1.2 million dunams in all (~468 square miles)—to the state to be used preferentially for the Jewish majority.

1. In 1953, the Knesset bestowed governmental authorities on the Jewish National Fund (JNF or Keren Kayemeth LeIsrael) to purchase land for exclusively Jewish use. The state granted financial advantages, including tax relief to facilitate such purchases.

1. In 1960, the state passed a law which stipulates that the ownership of “Israel lands”—namely the 93% of land under the control of the state, the Jewish National Fund, and the Development Authority—cannot be transferred in any manner.

Although most Palestinians that remained in 1949 were granted Israeli citizenship, they were subject to martial law until 1966. Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966. Once Palestinians were relieved from martial law, laws were passed to clearly define the primacy of ethnically Jewish Israelis.

1. In 1969, the state passed a law that gave statutory recognition to cultural and educational institutions, and defined their aims, inter alia, as developing and fulfilling Zionist goals to promote Jewish culture and education at the expense of minority goals.

1. There is a law mandating that Knesset session must be opened with a reading of portions of Israel’s declaration of independence that emphasizes the exclusive connection of the state of Israel to the Jewish people.

1. There is a law that bans any political party that denies the existence of Israel as a “Jewish” state. In other words, a party that would advocate equal rights for all citizens of Israel irrespective of ethnicity would not be allowed to enter the Knesset.

1. There are laws that establish separate educational systems which are then unequally administered.

More recently, the Knesset has passed laws to defend against efforts to bring the Palestinian minority onto a more equal footing.

1. In 2011 the Knesset passed a law that empowers hundreds of local Jewish communities to exclude applicants based on ethnicity or religion. The Supreme Court upheld this law in September 2014.

1. In 2011 the Knesset passed a law prohibiting anyone from calling for a boycott of Israel, its institutions, or any person because of their affiliation with Israel, including the settlements in the occupied territories. The law creates a private right of action for persons targeted by a boycott to sue for damages. As Noam Sheizaf puts it: “You can boycott anything in Israel except the occupation.” This vague law is blatantly aimed at Palestinians who are supportive of the BDS movement—while it allows people like Avigdor Lieberman to call for boycott of Arab owned businesses with impunity. The law was upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court on April 15, 2015.

As demonstrated by its decision upholding the boycott law, the Supreme Court of Israel has failed to stem the ever rightward tilt of the Israeli polity.
The Adalah database of 50 discriminatory laws in Israel

The database is here:
Discriminatory Laws in Israel - Adalah

 

[abi]

Does any have or know where to find demographics information for the occupied territories?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Mexicans call the southern border and efforts to keep illegals out apartheid.

 

[abi]

Mexicans call the southern border and efforts to keep illegals out apartheid.

Does Mexico know more about apartheid than Mandela?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Mexicans call the southern border and efforts to keep illegals out apartheid.

Does Mexico know more about apartheid than Mandela?

Does Mandela know about the Mandela Necklace? I don't exactly respect mandela, nor consider that he has anything to say but nonsense. As a point, everyone thinks that their apartheid is just like everyone else's apartheid. Israel is treating the pallys way more gently than they deserve. Pallys deserve to be flattened under tank treads and the splat sprinkled with salt and pig fat.

 

[abi]

Mexicans call the southern border and efforts to keep illegals out apartheid.

Does Mexico know more about apartheid than Mandela?

Does Mandela know about the Mandela Necklace? I don't exactly respect mandela, nor consider that he has anything to say but nonsense. As a point, everyone thinks that their apartheid is just like everyone else's apartheid. Israel is treating the pallys way more gently than they deserve. Pallys deserve to be flattened under tank treads and the splat sprinkled with salt and pig fat.

Be honest, who would know better about apartheid than Mandela?

And what about all the discriminatory laws already pn the books?

 

[Linkiloo]

Mandela's grandson isn't a legal scholar. The finest legal scholars (who are also well known critics of the Israeli government such as Judge Dennis Davis and Judge Goldstone) have published articles on how Israel is not an apartheid state, as racial discrimination is not legally entrenched. It is known as the apartheid slander.
Opinion | Israel and the Apartheid Slander
Q&A: 'Israel In a Weak Parallel with Apartheid' | Inter Press Service

 

[flacaltenn]

Mandela was right.

There is a database of actual laws in Israel that are discriminatory.

I chose a Jewish site again for reference:
The most serious discriminations were established early and relate to land control and citizenship. First, the state took over and controlled approximately 93 percent of all lands within the 1949 cease fire lines, and the state has subsequently used this land preferentially for its Jewish majority by making land available to Jews for development, and denying building permits and the ability to develop land to Palestinians. Second, the state established discriminatory preferences about who could immigrate, return to, or stay—in short belong—in the land as a citizen.

1. 1950 law about confiscation of Absentee Landlord Property. This law defines persons who were expelled, fled, or who left the country after November 29, 1947 as “absentee.” Property belonging to “absentees” was placed under the control of the State of Israel with the Custodian for Absentees’ Property. The Absentee Property Law was the main legal instrument used by Israel to take possession of the land belonging to the internal and external Palestinian refugees, and Muslim Waqf properties across the state. This law continues to be used to this day by quasi-governmental agencies in Israel to take over Palestinian properties in East Jerusalem, for example.

1. 1950 Law of Return. This allows every Jewish person to immigrate to Israel and this extends to the children and grandchildren of Jews, as well as their spouses, and the spouses of their children and grandchildren. The flip side of this is that the rights of Palestinians and others to enter the state and become citizens, even if they were born in the area that is now the State of Israel, are extremely restrictive. This discrimination against the non-Jewish minority has been periodically reinforced. For example, the ban on family unification law of 2003 prohibits citizens of Israel from reuniting with Palestinian spouses living in the West Bank or Gaza.

1. In 1952 the state authorized the World Zionist Organization, the Jewish Agency, and other Zionist bodies founded at the turn of the 20th century to function in Israel as quasi-governmental entities in order to further advance the goals of the Zionist movement, to the detriment of minorities.

1. The Land Acquisition Law of 1953 transferred the land of 349 Arab towns and villages—approximately 1.2 million dunams in all (~468 square miles)—to the state to be used preferentially for the Jewish majority.

1. In 1953, the Knesset bestowed governmental authorities on the Jewish National Fund (JNF or Keren Kayemeth LeIsrael) to purchase land for exclusively Jewish use. The state granted financial advantages, including tax relief to facilitate such purchases.

1. In 1960, the state passed a law which stipulates that the ownership of “Israel lands”—namely the 93% of land under the control of the state, the Jewish National Fund, and the Development Authority—cannot be transferred in any manner.

Although most Palestinians that remained in 1949 were granted Israeli citizenship, they were subject to martial law until 1966. Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966. Once Palestinians were relieved from martial law, laws were passed to clearly define the primacy of ethnically Jewish Israelis.

1. In 1969, the state passed a law that gave statutory recognition to cultural and educational institutions, and defined their aims, inter alia, as developing and fulfilling Zionist goals to promote Jewish culture and education at the expense of minority goals.

1. There is a law mandating that Knesset session must be opened with a reading of portions of Israel’s declaration of independence that emphasizes the exclusive connection of the state of Israel to the Jewish people.

1. There is a law that bans any political party that denies the existence of Israel as a “Jewish” state. In other words, a party that would advocate equal rights for all citizens of Israel irrespective of ethnicity would not be allowed to enter the Knesset.

1. There are laws that establish separate educational systems which are then unequally administered.

More recently, the Knesset has passed laws to defend against efforts to bring the Palestinian minority onto a more equal footing.

1. In 2011 the Knesset passed a law that empowers hundreds of local Jewish communities to exclude applicants based on ethnicity or religion. The Supreme Court upheld this law in September 2014.

1. In 2011 the Knesset passed a law prohibiting anyone from calling for a boycott of Israel, its institutions, or any person because of their affiliation with Israel, including the settlements in the occupied territories. The law creates a private right of action for persons targeted by a boycott to sue for damages. As Noam Sheizaf puts it: “You can boycott anything in Israel except the occupation.” This vague law is blatantly aimed at Palestinians who are supportive of the BDS movement—while it allows people like Avigdor Lieberman to call for boycott of Arab owned businesses with impunity. The law was upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court on April 15, 2015.

As demonstrated by its decision upholding the boycott law, the Supreme Court of Israel has failed to stem the ever rightward tilt of the Israeli polity.
The Adalah database of 50 discriminatory laws in Israel

The database is here:
Discriminatory Laws in Israel - Adalah

It ain't Apartheid. Because virtually NONE, NADA, ZERO of the Palestinians want "Israel Rights".. That's not even in the cards to compare their situation to CITIZENS of Israel. The PALIS are not citizens of Israel and they DON'T WANT to be.

So you can just thrash these legal issues to death. Because it's NOT Apartheid and it's not relevant to what the Palis ACTUALLY WANT..

 

[flacaltenn]

You should focus more on what your favorite victims actually WANT -- and a lot less on rhetoric that just does not fly...

 

[fanger]

You should focus more on what your favorite victims actually WANT -- and a lot less on rhetoric that just does not fly...

Equal rights and justice might be a good start

 

[flacaltenn]

Lemme put this in the "street theater rhetoric" that you will understand. This is not "segregation" -- it's "nationalism". And this is what is what their nationalism is about.

WHAT DO WE WANT --- Palestine !!!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT --- Now !!!
WHERE DO WE WANT IT -- From the Med to the River !!!

THERE's your actual problem..

Not Apartheid.

 

[flacaltenn]

You should focus more on what your favorite victims actually WANT -- and a lot less on rhetoric that just does not fly...

Equal rights and justice might be a good start

Show me the Palestinians that want ISRAELI equal rights and justice. There are virtually none.

 

[fanger]

Lemme put this in the "street theater rhetoric" that you will understand. This is not "segregation" -- it's "nationalism". And this is what is what their nationalism is about.

WHAT DO WE WANT --- Palestine !!!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT --- Now !!!
WHERE DO WE WANT IT -- From the Med to the River !!!

THERE's your actual problem..

Not Apartheid.

Isn't that exactly what the jewish illegal immigrants took?

 

[fanger]

You should focus more on what your favorite victims actually WANT -- and a lot less on rhetoric that just does not fly...

Equal rights and justice might be a good start

Show me the Palestinians that want ISRAELI equal rights and justice. There are virtually none.

Palestinian protesters demand equal rights on London march | Daily Mail Online

In Israel, instead of equal rights, no equality at all