Manchin Is Standing Against His Entire Party, Sinema Is Enduring Harassment To Stop the Dems...And McConnell Folds, Giving Schumer/Dems HUGE Win

[Dragonlady]

Democrats have the number to pass whatever legislation they want.
How about fix your shit within your own party and get 'er done.

IT IS NOT THE GOP BLOCKING DEMOCRATS FROM GETTING THINGS DONE - IT IS DEMOCRATS BLOCKING DEMOCRATS

Democrats have 60 senators? Since when?

 

[hadit]

Exactly what does the GOP think we were supposed to do?

Default on debt to which we had previously committed?

And why was the party fine with raising the debt limit when a Republican was in the White House?

Can someone lay this out for us?

That's easy. We weren't looking to spend $5 trillion back then.

 

[task0778]

Exactly what does the GOP think we were supposed to do?

Default on debt to which we had previously committed?

And why was the party fine with raising the debt limit when a Republican was in the White House?

Can someone lay this out for us?

You want somebody to lay it out for you? Okay, here it is:

The democrats agreed to raise the debt ceiling when Trump was president because they got him and the GOP to increase gov't spending to what was acceptable to them. And of course they did not want to appear to be the ones to share in the blame if a default happened. It's true that some within the GOP are not as fiscally responsible as they should be and that includes Trump, but they sure as hell are miles more responsible that the democrats are. Every time, when it comes to spending it is always the democrats who want to spend more, a lot more. And now when they have majorities in the House and Senate they are going ape-shit crazy with ridiculous amounts of spending and THAT is why the GOP is not supporting an increase in the debt ceiling. It's NOT just about previous spending commitments, it is also about not being a party to future spending that is totally irresponsible. If the democrats are determined to do that, they should also own it by themselves.

You asked what the GOP thinks the democrats were supposed to do. Well, I tell you: you were supposed to pass the legislation to raise the debt ceiling through reconciliation and done all the procedural work to get that done months ago when the GOP told you they would not assist. But no, the democrats wouldn't do that, they had to play politics and try to force the GOP to capitulate. They tried to make the GOP responsible for the default if one happened even though they themselves could have avoided it. If the democrats are going to unilaterally spend all that money that is primarily for their political agenda then they should also raise the debt ceiling to pay for it by themselves and take that to the electorate next year.

 

[kyzr]

Democrats have 60 senators? Since when?

Since all they need is 50 to pass reconciliation, duh.

 

[Moonglow]

Krysten Sinema has endured personal attacks from fellow Democrats and criminal harassment from intrusive libtards / snowflakes in an effort to stop her party from adding another $5.5 trillion to the already fiscally criminal $28+ TRILLION deficit...

Joe Manchin has been a ROCK, standing up against his entire party, putting up with personal attacks and pressure to block his party from adding $5.5 TRILLION in new debt-adding, Democrat self-serving pork...

They both, along with the vast majority of Conservatives, have to be shaking their heads this morning, shocked at the overwhelming weakness of R-Mitch McConnell who undermined the Republicans' solidarity in refusing to lift the debt ceiling, convincing enough Republicans to vote with the Democrats, to allow these Democrats to get another step closer to passing that bill.

McConnell was naïve enough, stupid enough, to believe Senate Majority Leader D-Chuck Schumer would be grateful for McConnell's betrayal which gave Schumer a HUGE 'Win'. HE WAS WRONG.

Schumer bragged how his fellow Democrats had remained strong and unified (which, of course, is a lie, considering Sinema and Manchin had refused to join fellow Democrats), taking a direct - and deserved - shot at the Republicans who, once again, caved to the Democrats. Again, the GOP's weakness and betrayal of GOP solidarity came from Mitch McConnell. Schumer savaged the GOP's attempt to stand in the Democrats' way. Schumer offered McConnell no gratitude, no mercy.

As Schumer spoke, Manchin's frustration, over sacrificing and enduring so much only to have Mitch McConnell - the opposing party Senate 'leader', a Republican - fold so quickly, so easily, flashed for everyone to see as Manchin sat directly behind Schumer as he spoke:

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JUST CAN'T WATCH: Manchin explains his viral reaction to
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Manchin, who is perhaps the second most popular person in Washington, D.C. these days, was seated directly behind Schumer and could be seen shaking his head during the speech. He looks like a baseball manager sitting in a dugout after his team gives up the lead. Manchin appeared to be exasperated as Schumer continued talking. At one point, he could be seen putting his head into his hands and eventually getting up from his chair while his New York colleague continued.

Manchin’s office did not immediately respond to an after-hours email from Fox News about the Senator’s reaction.

Another video appeared to show Manchin walking out of the Capitol, saying that he hopes that both parties "de-weaponize." He said both sides were frustrated, "but that was not the way to take it out."

Democrats, Republicans vote to lift debt ceiling for now: LIVE UPDATES

Senate lawmakers voted to approve a short-term increase to the federal debt ceiling on Thursday night, ending a weekslong standoff on Capitol Hill and averting a default that could have triggered a recession.

www.foxnews.com

You can't blame Manchin for his frustration coming out as Schumer engaged in partisan political theater to attack Republicans while bragging about the Victory McConnell gift-wrapped and gave him, over McConnell's weakness, and his own party's criminal fiscal irresponsibility.

Manchin was having a Midol moment.

 

[Moonglow]

You want somebody to lay it out for you? Okay, here it is:

The democrats agreed to raise the debt ceiling when Trump was president because they got him and the GOP to increase gov't spending to what was acceptable to them. And of course they did not want to appear to be the ones to share in the blame if a default happened. It's true that some within the GOP are not as fiscally responsible as they should be and that includes Trump, but they sure as hell are miles more responsible that the democrats are. Every time, when it comes to spending it is always the democrats who want to spend more, a lot more. And now when they have majorities in the House and Senate they are going ape-shit crazy with ridiculous amounts of spending and THAT is why the GOP is not supporting an increase in the debt ceiling. It's NOT just about previous spending commitments, it is also about not being a party to future spending that is totally irresponsible. If the democrats are determined to do that, they should also own it by themselves.

You asked what the GOP thinks the democrats were supposed to do. Well, I tell you: you were supposed to pass the legislation to raise the debt ceiling through reconciliation and done all the procedural work to get that done months ago when the GOP told you they would not assist. But no, the democrats wouldn't do that, they had to play politics and try to force the GOP to capitulate. They tried to make the GOP responsible for the default if one happened even though they themselves could have avoided it. If the democrats are going to unilaterally spend all that money that is primarily for their political agenda then they should also raise the debt ceiling to pay for it by themselves and take that to the electorate next year.

 

[Moonglow]

You are supposed to pull your troops back to CONUS, and cut military expenditures to <1.5% GDP.

You are supposed to pass an amendment that REQUIRES a balanced budget.

You are supposed end all foreign aid, and corporate welfare.

You are supposed to end tax breaks to corporations who manufacture outside of the US.


That sounds like a nice start.

That ain't never gonna happen.

 

[Mac1958]

Raise the Debt Limit using reconciliation.
It takes time, so the dems better get busy because Mitch will NOT fold again.

So you just want someone ELSE to do it?

 

[Mac1958]

You are supposed to pull your troops back to CONUS, and cut military expenditures to <1.5% GDP.

You are supposed to pass an amendment that REQUIRES a balanced budget.

You are supposed end all foreign aid, and corporate welfare.

You are supposed to end tax breaks to corporations who manufacture outside of the US.


That sounds like a nice start.

That doesn't answer my question.

Raise the debt limit and pay our obligations, or default.

Which one?

 

[Mac1958]

That's easy. We weren't looking to spend $5 trillion back then.

That doesn't answer my question.

Raise the debt limit and pay our obligations, or default.

Which one?

 

[Mac1958]

You want somebody to lay it out for you? Okay, here it is:

The democrats agreed to raise the debt ceiling when Trump was president because they got him and the GOP to increase gov't spending to what was acceptable to them. And of course they did not want to appear to be the ones to share in the blame if a default happened. It's true that some within the GOP are not as fiscally responsible as they should be and that includes Trump, but they sure as hell are miles more responsible that the democrats are. Every time, when it comes to spending it is always the democrats who want to spend more, a lot more. And now when they have majorities in the House and Senate they are going ape-shit crazy with ridiculous amounts of spending and THAT is why the GOP is not supporting an increase in the debt ceiling. It's NOT just about previous spending commitments, it is also about not being a party to future spending that is totally irresponsible. If the democrats are determined to do that, they should also own it by themselves.

You asked what the GOP thinks the democrats were supposed to do. Well, I tell you: you were supposed to pass the legislation to raise the debt ceiling through reconciliation and done all the procedural work to get that done months ago when the GOP told you they would not assist. But no, the democrats wouldn't do that, they had to play politics and try to force the GOP to capitulate. They tried to make the GOP responsible for the default if one happened even though they themselves could have avoided it. If the democrats are going to unilaterally spend all that money that is primarily for their political agenda then they should also raise the debt ceiling to pay for it by themselves and take that to the electorate next year.

Raise the debt limit and pay our obligations, or default.

Which one?

 

[iceberg]

Exactly what does the GOP think we were supposed to do?

Default on debt to which we had previously committed?

And why was the party fine with raising the debt limit when a Republican was in the White House?

Can someone lay this out for us?

stop spending money we don't fucking have. both god damn sides.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

That ain't never gonna happen.

Well he axed.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

That doesn't answer my question.

Raise the debt limit and pay our obligations, or default.

Which one?

Pistol or poison...PICK!

It Is ALWAYS this question.

Then it gets memory holed until the next time.

If I say default....WE ALLLL DIE!!!

If I say Raise...WE ALL DIE TOMORROW!

People like you are akin to talking to a fucking fence post.

One track, blank minds.

 

[22lcidw]

Raise the debt limit and pay our obligations, or default.

Which one?

We will not default. The government closed down a few times over the years. But it should default. And end the nightmare we live through. All the truths of Biden and you. Gas is going higher and higher. The rents are going higher and higher. The homes are going higher and higher. Food prices are going higher and higher. Energy prices are going higher and higher. At some point we will end paying for you.

 

[iceberg]

We will not default. The government closed down a few times over the years. But it should default. And end the nightmare we live through. All the truths of Biden and you. Gas is going higher and higher. The rents are going higher and higher. The homes are going higher and higher. Food prices are going higher and higher. Energy prices are going higher and higher. At some point we will end paying for you.

BIDINFLATION: Americans spending an extra $175 per month on food, fuel, housing

Despite the inflation being called “transitory” by government officials, the rate is running at a 30-year high, and has been for months.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[task0778]

Raise the debt limit and pay our obligations, or default.

Which one?

Nice deflection. How else are the repubs supposed to fight against the ridiculous spending that the democrats want to do? You act like there are only 2 options, but there are more than that. How about this: the democrats raise the debt ceiling by themselves, since they are the ones that want to increase our obligations by so much? You coulda done it already, and still could. If they're going to use reconciliation to pass huge partisan spending bills then why shouldn't they also pass the legislation to raise the debt ceiling since they want to increase our debt so much and so quickly. If the GOP has no voice in determining the current spending then why should they help raise the debt ceiling so the democrats can spend all they want?

You do understand that raising the debt ceiling isn't only about paying for past obligations but also for future ones, right? Joe Biden is a fucking liar about that, or at least he left out that last part.

 

[BluesLegend]

Raise the Debt Limit using reconciliation.
It takes time, so the dems better get busy because Mitch will NOT fold again.

Mitch will fold like a cheap lawn chair he's been doing it for decades.

 

[BluesLegend]

Dems will burn the country to the ground voting No and obstructing. Republicans don't have the stones to do that. Trump loaned the Republicans a pair for a while, without Trump Republicans are back to folding without a fight.

 

[hadit]

That doesn't answer my question.

Raise the debt limit and pay our obligations, or default.

Which one?

The other option. Restructure the budget, squeeze out literally everything not completely necessary to the functioning of government, freeze all future spending increases, THEN raise the debt ceiling enough to cover CURRENT obligations only, and serve notice that ALL new spending has to fit in the current debt ceiling, that it cannot be spent before revenue is collected to pay for it. Every new big spending bill has to have a tax increase attached to it, and the bill has to be published at least 60 days before vote so the public is very aware that it's going into place along with the tax increase to pay for it. Then, two measures:

1. Eliminate payroll withholding of income tax. Everyone pays estimated taxes quarterly.
2. Election day falls the day after one of those quarterly payment days.

Quickest way to force discipline in Washington. Do not believe for a moment that raising the debt ceiling is about current obligations because it is not. democrats use that rhetoric to justify what they're doing, when in fact they're just raising the ceiling so they can borrow more for FUTURE spending, like the $5 trillion that Quid Pro wants to spend. It's a cynical game and far too many fall for it.