Man dies in ER because of doctor and nurse shortage

[auditor0007]

Re:Man dies in ER because of doctor and nurse shortage

So if we ALREADY have a shortage how are we going to handle the influx of millions more? Do you know one reason why there is a shortage? Tort, doctors and nurses have quite because they are tired of being sued for idiotic things. Tort reform needs to happen.

What do you propose we do about the nurse and doctor shortage? Have a new law which says that you must become a doctor or nurse in college?

one reason there is a shortage of nurses is due to union rules that nurses must have a ceratin patient ratio.......just the messenger here passing along a complaint of a union nurse.....

Wrong again especially here in the south there is no QUOTA system the reason we have a shortage is there are not enough people to educate them. One of our schools here has a 3 year waiting list to get into the nursing program.

This has been an ongoing problem throughout the US. My sister waited four years to get into nursing school in Michigan, and this was fifteen years ago. Nothing has changed; there still are very long waits to get into nursing school.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Re:Man dies in ER because of doctor and nurse shortage

So if we ALREADY have a shortage how are we going to handle the influx of millions more? Do you know one reason why there is a shortage? Tort, doctors and nurses have quite because they are tired of being sued for idiotic things. Tort reform needs to happen.

What do you propose we do about the nurse and doctor shortage? Have a new law which says that you must become a doctor or nurse in college?

Cafe,Manu,Kitten

Why so willfully ignorant?

The shortage as pointed out is in EMERGENCY CARE!

If everyone is covered MOST, probably 90%, of unneccesary emergency care will go bye bye.

Serious emergencies will be headed off with regular check ups ...timely medication, and early proceedures.

Instead of $10,000 plus emergency room visits for preventable conditions that strain critical resources americans like the heart attack victim would have made a couple of regular MD and specialist appointments and recieved prescribed medication that would have prevented the emergency and the victims demise in most cases.

More emergency doctors to go around and better emergency outcomes would be the result since reaction time is the most important factor in emergency situations.

Many "heart attacks" and other critical conditions would be discovered long before they become untreatable and in many cases simple treatments and minor surgery could correct what if put off as now would save many thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

If there would be any "shortage" it would be in regular MDs for a period of time until thier numbers caught up with the number of patients per doctor.

What we really should do instead of a seperate single payer system is to gradually lower the age of medicare over the next ten to twenty years until everyone that needs to can opt for that tried and true system of coverage. That would be the most responsible way to cover everyone in my opinion. For those that want "special" coverage like private rooms and "elective" surgeries such as face lifts and tummy tucks they could pay for private insurance that covers those proceedures.

As for "tort" the same legal recourse for mal practice as we have now for medicare participants should apply. The red herring of the "frivolous" law suit could be dealt with by a panel of impartial omsbiman to help determin if best proceedures were applied.

Saying that we have the best system is assinine. We may have the most talented surgeons and the best technology but to say we treat the general health of our citizens properly, let alone "the best", is a god damned lie.

This is simply untrue-- that if everyone is covered the ER visits will go down.

Look at the ER visits now and see an overabundance of Medicaid patients and middle-class insured patients. The Allure of the One-Stop Shop The real reasons why people go to the E.R. when they shouldn't.


The Allure of the One-Stop Shop
The real reasons why people go to the E.R. when they shouldn't.

The problem is that this story of the healthy, cavalier, uninsured E.R. abuser is largely a myth. E.R. use by the uninsured is not wrecking health care. In fact, the uninsured don't even use the E.R. any more often than those with insurance do. And now, a new study shows that the increased use of the E.R. over the past decade (119 million U.S. visits in 2006, to be precise, compared with 67 million in 1996) is actually driven by more visits from insured, middle-class patients who usually get their care from a doctor's office. So, the real question is: Why is everybody, insured and uninsured, coming to the E.R. in droves? The answer is about economics. The ways in which health information is shared and incentives aligned, for both patients and doctors, are driving the uninsured and insured alike to line up in the E.R. for medical care.

( emphasis added)

Why people overuse the E.R. - By Zachary F. Meisel and Jesse M. Pines - Slate Magazine

 

[Care4all]

one reason there is a shortage of nurses is due to union rules that nurses must have a ceratin patient ratio.......just the messenger here passing along a complaint of a union nurse.....

Wrong again especially here in the south there is no QUOTA system the reason we have a shortage is there are not enough people to educate them. One of our schools here has a 3 year waiting list to get into the nursing program.

This has been an ongoing problem throughout the US. My sister waited four years to get into nursing school in Michigan, and this was fifteen years ago. Nothing has changed; there still are very long waits to get into nursing school.

This can soooooooo easily be corrected.

There is a shortage of TEACHING Nurses at the nursing schools is what I have read...they just need to be paid more, and they will do it.

We can increase the number of nursing schools as well...

AFTER ALL the Medical Field is going to be the most solid of a field to go in to with guaranteed a job once out, just with the boomers that will be out there, let alone if a health care plan passes that insures more.

 

[rdean]

There are close to zero doctors who don't believe in the science of "evolution".

If the right wing would go to witchdoctors instead of medical doctors and practice what they "preach", then there would easily be enough doctors for the rest of us.

 

[HUGGY]

Re:Man dies in ER because of doctor and nurse shortage

So if we ALREADY have a shortage how are we going to handle the influx of millions more? Do you know one reason why there is a shortage? Tort, doctors and nurses have quite because they are tired of being sued for idiotic things. Tort reform needs to happen.

What do you propose we do about the nurse and doctor shortage? Have a new law which says that you must become a doctor or nurse in college?

Cafe,Manu,Kitten

Why so willfully ignorant?

The shortage as pointed out is in EMERGENCY CARE!

If everyone is covered MOST, probably 90%, of unneccesary emergency care will go bye bye.

Serious emergencies will be headed off with regular check ups ...timely medication, and early proceedures.

Instead of $10,000 plus emergency room visits for preventable conditions that strain critical resources americans like the heart attack victim would have made a couple of regular MD and specialist appointments and recieved prescribed medication that would have prevented the emergency and the victims demise in most cases.

More emergency doctors to go around and better emergency outcomes would be the result since reaction time is the most important factor in emergency situations.

Many "heart attacks" and other critical conditions would be discovered long before they become untreatable and in many cases simple treatments and minor surgery could correct what if put off as now would save many thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

If there would be any "shortage" it would be in regular MDs for a period of time until thier numbers caught up with the number of patients per doctor.

What we really should do instead of a seperate single payer system is to gradually lower the age of medicare over the next ten to twenty years until everyone that needs to can opt for that tried and true system of coverage. That would be the most responsible way to cover everyone in my opinion. For those that want "special" coverage like private rooms and "elective" surgeries such as face lifts and tummy tucks they could pay for private insurance that covers those proceedures.

As for "tort" the same legal recourse for mal practice as we have now for medicare participants should apply. The red herring of the "frivolous" law suit could be dealt with by a panel of impartial omsbiman to help determin if best proceedures were applied.

Saying that we have the best system is assinine. We may have the most talented surgeons and the best technology but to say we treat the general health of our citizens properly, let alone "the best", is a god damned lie.

This is simply untrue-- that if everyone is covered the ER visits will go down.

Look at the ER visits now and see an overabundance of Medicaid patients and middle-class insured patients. The Allure of the One-Stop Shop The real reasons why people go to the E.R. when they shouldn't.


The Allure of the One-Stop Shop
The real reasons why people go to the E.R. when they shouldn't.

The problem is that this story of the healthy, cavalier, uninsured E.R. abuser is largely a myth. E.R. use by the uninsured is not wrecking health care. In fact, the uninsured don't even use the E.R. any more often than those with insurance do. And now, a new study shows that the increased use of the E.R. over the past decade (119 million U.S. visits in 2006, to be precise, compared with 67 million in 1996) is actually driven by more visits from insured, middle-class patients who usually get their care from a doctor's office. So, the real question is: Why is everybody, insured and uninsured, coming to the E.R. in droves? The answer is about economics. The ways in which health information is shared and incentives aligned, for both patients and doctors, are driving the uninsured and insured alike to line up in the E.R. for medical care.

( emphasis added)

Why people overuse the E.R. - By Zachary F. Meisel and Jesse M. Pines - Slate Magazine

I normally wait a while to see what a poster is about before going ballistic. I've seen enough. Go **** yourself you neo con piece of shit. You bring lies and missinformation for what purpose? It is traitorous ameican haters like you that stand up for the profits of the gouls and vampires of the HMOs and against the betterment of our country. Piss on you.

 

[bodecea]

There are many of us who already know that Government care is better and faster. My daughter pulled her achilles tendon last year. Now we could have taken her to the local hospital emergency room (we didn't know if her ankle was broken or not or her tendon was torn)...but we knew better and took her to Camp Pendleton. Faster, better, and more personal care.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Cafe,Manu,Kitten

Why so willfully ignorant?

The shortage as pointed out is in EMERGENCY CARE!

If everyone is covered MOST, probably 90%, of unneccesary emergency care will go bye bye.

Serious emergencies will be headed off with regular check ups ...timely medication, and early proceedures.

Instead of $10,000 plus emergency room visits for preventable conditions that strain critical resources americans like the heart attack victim would have made a couple of regular MD and specialist appointments and recieved prescribed medication that would have prevented the emergency and the victims demise in most cases.

More emergency doctors to go around and better emergency outcomes would be the result since reaction time is the most important factor in emergency situations.

Many "heart attacks" and other critical conditions would be discovered long before they become untreatable and in many cases simple treatments and minor surgery could correct what if put off as now would save many thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

If there would be any "shortage" it would be in regular MDs for a period of time until thier numbers caught up with the number of patients per doctor.

What we really should do instead of a seperate single payer system is to gradually lower the age of medicare over the next ten to twenty years until everyone that needs to can opt for that tried and true system of coverage. That would be the most responsible way to cover everyone in my opinion. For those that want "special" coverage like private rooms and "elective" surgeries such as face lifts and tummy tucks they could pay for private insurance that covers those proceedures.

As for "tort" the same legal recourse for mal practice as we have now for medicare participants should apply. The red herring of the "frivolous" law suit could be dealt with by a panel of impartial omsbiman to help determin if best proceedures were applied.

Saying that we have the best system is assinine. We may have the most talented surgeons and the best technology but to say we treat the general health of our citizens properly, let alone "the best", is a god damned lie.

This is simply untrue-- that if everyone is covered the ER visits will go down.

Look at the ER visits now and see an overabundance of Medicaid patients and middle-class insured patients. The Allure of the One-Stop Shop The real reasons why people go to the E.R. when they shouldn't.


The Allure of the One-Stop Shop
The real reasons why people go to the E.R. when they shouldn't.

The problem is that this story of the healthy, cavalier, uninsured E.R. abuser is largely a myth. E.R. use by the uninsured is not wrecking health care. In fact, the uninsured don't even use the E.R. any more often than those with insurance do. And now, a new study shows that the increased use of the E.R. over the past decade (119 million U.S. visits in 2006, to be precise, compared with 67 million in 1996) is actually driven by more visits from insured, middle-class patients who usually get their care from a doctor's office. So, the real question is: Why is everybody, insured and uninsured, coming to the E.R. in droves? The answer is about economics. The ways in which health information is shared and incentives aligned, for both patients and doctors, are driving the uninsured and insured alike to line up in the E.R. for medical care.

( emphasis added)

Why people overuse the E.R. - By Zachary F. Meisel and Jesse M. Pines - Slate Magazine

I normally wait a while to see what a poster is about before going ballistic. I've seen enough. Go **** yourself you neo con piece of shit. You bring lies and missinformation for what purpose? It is traitorous ameican haters like you that stand up for the profits of the gouls and vampires of the HMOs and against the betterment of our country. Piss on you.

Wow, the study was done by the NIH, here is a link:

Are the uninsured responsible for the increase in emergency department visits in the United States?

Are the uninsured responsible for the increase in ...[Ann Emerg Med. 2008] - PubMed Result

 

[auditor0007]

Re:Man dies in ER because of doctor and nurse shortage

So if we ALREADY have a shortage how are we going to handle the influx of millions more? Do you know one reason why there is a shortage? Tort, doctors and nurses have quite because they are tired of being sued for idiotic things. Tort reform needs to happen.

What do you propose we do about the nurse and doctor shortage? Have a new law which says that you must become a doctor or nurse in college?

Cafe,Manu,Kitten

Why so willfully ignorant?

The shortage as pointed out is in EMERGENCY CARE!

If everyone is covered MOST, probably 90%, of unneccesary emergency care will go bye bye.

Serious emergencies will be headed off with regular check ups ...timely medication, and early proceedures.

Instead of $10,000 plus emergency room visits for preventable conditions that strain critical resources americans like the heart attack victim would have made a couple of regular MD and specialist appointments and recieved prescribed medication that would have prevented the emergency and the victims demise in most cases.

More emergency doctors to go around and better emergency outcomes would be the result since reaction time is the most important factor in emergency situations.

Many "heart attacks" and other critical conditions would be discovered long before they become untreatable and in many cases simple treatments and minor surgery could correct what if put off as now would save many thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

If there would be any "shortage" it would be in regular MDs for a period of time until thier numbers caught up with the number of patients per doctor.

What we really should do instead of a seperate single payer system is to gradually lower the age of medicare over the next ten to twenty years until everyone that needs to can opt for that tried and true system of coverage. That would be the most responsible way to cover everyone in my opinion. For those that want "special" coverage like private rooms and "elective" surgeries such as face lifts and tummy tucks they could pay for private insurance that covers those proceedures.

As for "tort" the same legal recourse for mal practice as we have now for medicare participants should apply. The red herring of the "frivolous" law suit could be dealt with by a panel of impartial omsbiman to help determin if best proceedures were applied.

Saying that we have the best system is assinine. We may have the most talented surgeons and the best technology but to say we treat the general health of our citizens properly, let alone "the best", is a god damned lie.

This is simply untrue-- that if everyone is covered the ER visits will go down.

Look at the ER visits now and see an overabundance of Medicaid patients and middle-class insured patients. The Allure of the One-Stop Shop The real reasons why people go to the E.R. when they shouldn't.


The Allure of the One-Stop Shop
The real reasons why people go to the E.R. when they shouldn't.

The problem is that this story of the healthy, cavalier, uninsured E.R. abuser is largely a myth. E.R. use by the uninsured is not wrecking health care. In fact, the uninsured don't even use the E.R. any more often than those with insurance do. And now, a new study shows that the increased use of the E.R. over the past decade (119 million U.S. visits in 2006, to be precise, compared with 67 million in 1996) is actually driven by more visits from insured, middle-class patients who usually get their care from a doctor's office. So, the real question is: Why is everybody, insured and uninsured, coming to the E.R. in droves? The answer is about economics. The ways in which health information is shared and incentives aligned, for both patients and doctors, are driving the uninsured and insured alike to line up in the E.R. for medical care.

( emphasis added)

Why people overuse the E.R. - By Zachary F. Meisel and Jesse M. Pines - Slate Magazine

This is very true. The stupid thing about it is that in many cases it is the fault of the insurance companies. As an example, a couple of years ago I broke my toe. I knew it was broken, and I pretty much knew there wasn't much that could be done for it. None the less, I wanted someone to look at it, preferably a doctor. So, I could have gone to my doctor, and he could have sent me to have it X-rayed or whatever he thought necessary. If my doctor would have sent me to have it X-rayed, it would go against my deductible, and I would end up paying a fairly large bill. But, I had a better option. By going to the emergency room, I only had to pay the first $100. Anything after that was covered under my insurance for an emergency room visit.

Of course, that emergency room visit cost my insurance company a couple thousand dollars for a $50 X-ray. Go figure.

 

[Care4all]

then increase the number of ER's and ER doctors, if there is a shortage.

 

[auditor0007]

Wrong again especially here in the south there is no QUOTA system the reason we have a shortage is there are not enough people to educate them. One of our schools here has a 3 year waiting list to get into the nursing program.

This has been an ongoing problem throughout the US. My sister waited four years to get into nursing school in Michigan, and this was fifteen years ago. Nothing has changed; there still are very long waits to get into nursing school.

This can soooooooo easily be corrected.

There is a shortage of TEACHING Nurses at the nursing schools is what I have read...they just need to be paid more, and they will do it.

We can increase the number of nursing schools as well...

AFTER ALL the Medical Field is going to be the most solid of a field to go in to with guaranteed a job once out, just with the boomers that will be out there, let alone if a health care plan passes that insures more.

You would think that the effects of supply and demand would have fixed this by now, but it hasn't.

 

[CaféAuLait]

then increase the number of ER's and ER doctors, if there is a shortage.

How? Tax incentives, bonuses, free education? Will this allow those who may not be up to par into the system? Not to mention it takes time to "make" doctors and nurses.

 

[Care4all]

then increase the number of ER's and ER doctors, if there is a shortage.

How? Tax incentives, bonuses, free education? Will this allow those who may not be up to par into the system? Not to mention it takes time to "make" doctors and nurses.

the cost of medical school is the detering factor and NOT the capable, smart people that can become a nurse or a doctor...if the supply of these schools were increased then the cost of medical school would go down, in a normal market in the private sector and in capitalism in general...

IF the truisms of capitalism do not work with health care in the private sector, then it doesn't belong in the for profit, capitalistic private sector...imo.

One or the other....

If demand goes up, then supply goes up to meet it because there is MONEY in doing it...

Care

 

[CaféAuLait]

then increase the number of ER's and ER doctors, if there is a shortage.

How? Tax incentives, bonuses, free education? Will this allow those who may not be up to par into the system? Not to mention it takes time to "make" doctors and nurses.

the cost of medical school is the detering factor and NOT the capable, smart people that can become a nurse or a doctor...if the supply of these schools were increased then the cost of medical school would go down, in a normal market in the private sector and in capitalism in general...

IF the truisms of capitalism do not work with health care in the private sector, then it doesn't belong in the for profit, capitalistic private sector...imo.

One or the other....

If demand goes up, then supply goes up to meet it because there is MONEY in doing it...

Care

Medical miscalculation creates doctor shortage

The government spends about $11 billion annually on 100,000 medical residents, or roughly $110,000 per resident. The number of residents has hovered at this level for the past decade, according to the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education.

In 1997, to save money and prevent a doctor glut, Congress capped the number of residents that Medicare will pay for at about 80,000 a year. Another 20,000 residents are financed by the Veterans Administration and Medicaid, the state-federal health care program for the poor. Teaching hospitals pay for a small number of residents without government assistance.

USATODAY.com - Medical miscalculation creates doctor shortage

 

[xsited1]

The only problem is this didn't happen in Canada, or the UK or France, or Australia... it happened here in the US. And problems like this are all too frequent.

ER Death Points to Growing Wait-Time Problem - ABC News

With notoriously crowded U.S. emergency rooms, chances are most American families have a story of someone waiting. It could have been half a day for a sore throat or perhaps hours for stitches or a sprained ankle.

But for 58-year-old Michael Herrara of Dallas help never came. He died of a heart attack last week an estimated 19 hours after he arrived at Parkland Memorial Hospital's emergency room waiting room complaining of severe stomach pains, according to reports from WFAA News in Dallas.
Members of the Herrera family said they know they aren't alone in facing dangerously long emergency room waiting times in this country.

Emergency physicians say the problem is getting worse.
"He's not here because they let him die, pretty much," Edward Marquez, Herrara's nephew, told WFAA.

Mike Herrera did not have private health insurance, yet helped found his family's chain of popular restaurants. I guess when you're 58 and severely unhealthy, health insurance is not a priority.

 

[Andrew2382]

I don't know... I have lived in 2 major cities...New York and now here in South Florida.

NYC I lived near some good hospitals so I guess I can see why there was no huge wait times.

Down here in Florida, I go to the major trauma hospital in the area and I have never seen or heard of any wait times like that.

 

[HUGGY]

I don't know... I have lived in 2 major cities...New York and now here in South Florida.

NYC I lived near some good hospitals so I guess I can see why there was no huge wait times.

Down here in Florida, I go to the major trauma hospital in the area and I have never seen or heard of any wait times like that.

Have your eyes and ears checked.

 

[xsited1]

I don't know... I have lived in 2 major cities...New York and now here in South Florida.

NYC I lived near some good hospitals so I guess I can see why there was no huge wait times.

Down here in Florida, I go to the major trauma hospital in the area and I have never seen or heard of any wait times like that.

He went to Parkland emergency room. Anybody who goes to Parkland emergency knows they are going to be there eight, 10, 14 hours. They see mostly people without health insurance, like this guy, and many of them are the 'undesirables' of society like drug addicts and prostitutes. It's a tough situation.

 

[Contumacious]

When Everything Fails Try Capitalism And The Free Market

Medical Control, Medical Corruption

by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

The vested interests are sick over it: Americans are beginning, just slightly, to take charge of their own health care. Such best-sellers as the Doctor's Book of Home Remedies, the Physician's Desk Reference, and the Merck Manual can keep you out of the doctor's appropriately named waiting room, or at least help you understand what is being done to you, when an apple a day does not work.

Who is unhappy with this increased knowledge? The American Medical Association, which for almost 150 years has sought to institutionalize a rip-off and to keep sick people and their families oblivious to it. Thanks to this central committee of the medical cartel, the number of medical schools and medical students is drastically restricted, state licensure further obstructs the supply of doctors, fees are largely secret and controlled across the industry, alternative treatments and practitioners are outlawed, pharmacists and nurses are hamstrung, and the mystique of the profession rivals the priesthood, although priests have a somewhat lower income. Meanwhile, the customer pays through the nose, even if he does not go to an otolaryngologist.

 

[Care4all]

How? Tax incentives, bonuses, free education? Will this allow those who may not be up to par into the system? Not to mention it takes time to "make" doctors and nurses.

the cost of medical school is the detering factor and NOT the capable, smart people that can become a nurse or a doctor...if the supply of these schools were increased then the cost of medical school would go down, in a normal market in the private sector and in capitalism in general...

IF the truisms of capitalism do not work with health care in the private sector, then it doesn't belong in the for profit, capitalistic private sector...imo.

One or the other....

If demand goes up, then supply goes up to meet it because there is MONEY in doing it...

Care

Medical miscalculation creates doctor shortage

The government spends about $11 billion annually on 100,000 medical residents, or roughly $110,000 per resident. The number of residents has hovered at this level for the past decade, according to the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education.

In 1997, to save money and prevent a doctor glut, Congress capped the number of residents that Medicare will pay for at about 80,000 a year. Another 20,000 residents are financed by the Veterans Administration and Medicaid, the state-federal health care program for the poor. Teaching hospitals pay for a small number of residents without government assistance.

USATODAY.com - Medical miscalculation creates doctor shortage

ty for this info.... it's worse than i thought...