Major Media FAIL on Reporting the Pacific Northwest Heatwave

[JoeBlow]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

 

[Stryder50]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

http://www.mendosa.com/dog40.jpg

OR ...

https://i0.wp.com/www.wagpets.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/on-the-internet.jpg?fit=1680%2C1050&ssl=1

 

[ding]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

I didn't vote for Trump, Joey.

Got anything else?

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.

 

[westwall]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Typical progressive. Now you whine like a child. The fact is no one is perfect. NASA has morphed into a political operation. Yes, there are some damned good scientists and engineers who still work there, but the leadership is political hackery on a grand scale.

 

[westwall]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

So now you resort to non sequitur insults. That's a sure sign you are a moron who knows nothing about the subject.

 

[Stryder50]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

I didn't vote for Trump, Joey.

Got anything else?

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.

For the "Mr. Joe"s here, whom didn't sleep through their science classes and didn't flunk same, assuming they know how to read a chart/graph, the basic one showing there is no cause/effect between CO2 (carbon dioxide) levels and average global temperatures;

http://www.greenenergyjubilation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/818/2017/10/Historical-CO2-and-Temerature-Levels.png

 

[Stryder50]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

Thing is "Reality" is often a matter of different perspectives.

To paraphrase W. Churchill; "If not a "Liberal" in one's twenties you may have no heart, if not a "Conservative" by one's forties you may not have a brain."

"Reality" can change over time and circumstance.

What many fail to grasp or appreciate is that Trump was not the career politician and held no such similar, constant views. Trump spoke a "reality truth" that resonated with wealth makers in the USA society which hadn't been said since the time of Ronald Reagan.

Trump wasn't about continuing the old "wealth redistribution" of Liberal agenda, but rather about the wealth creation agenda of true USA patriots. Trump spoke plain and blunt about what needed to be done and should be done to grow USA prosperity = i.e. "Make America Great Again" rather than continue to tear-down and make USA lessor ...

President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments List: ​

MAGAPILL

President Donald J. Trump’s accomplishment list.

www.magapill.com

 

[Stryder50]

Sort of back to topic ...

Why roads in the Pacific Northwest buckled under extreme heat​

Even concrete needs a little space sometimes

Why roads in the Pacific Northwest buckled under extreme heat

A side effect of the brutal heat wave: cracked roads

www.theverge.com

 

[westwall]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

Thing is "Reality" is often a matter of different perspectives.

To paraphrase W. Churchill; "If not a "Liberal" in one's twenties you may have no heart, if not a "Conservative" by one's forties you may not have a brain."

"Reality" can change over time and circumstance.

What many fail to grasp or appreciate is that Trump was not the career politician and held no such similar, constant views. Trump spoke a "reality truth" that resonated with wealth makers in the USA society which hadn't been said since the time of Ronald Reagan.

Trump wasn't about continuing the old "wealth redistribution" of Liberal agenda, but rather about the wealth creation agenda of true USA patriots. Trump spoke plain and blunt about what needed to be done and should be done to grow USA prosperity = i.e. "Make America Great Again" rather than continue to tear-down and make USA lessor ...

President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments List: ​

MAGAPILL

President Donald J. Trump’s accomplishment list.

www.magapill.com

I disagree. Reality is that which can be measured. If it can't be seen, or measured in the real world, then it isn't reality. That's why the climatology BS, is just that. BS. They have zero empirical data to support them.

 

[Stryder50]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

Thing is "Reality" is often a matter of different perspectives.

To paraphrase W. Churchill; "If not a "Liberal" in one's twenties you may have no heart, if not a "Conservative" by one's forties you may not have a brain."

"Reality" can change over time and circumstance.

What many fail to grasp or appreciate is that Trump was not the career politician and held no such similar, constant views. Trump spoke a "reality truth" that resonated with wealth makers in the USA society which hadn't been said since the time of Ronald Reagan.

Trump wasn't about continuing the old "wealth redistribution" of Liberal agenda, but rather about the wealth creation agenda of true USA patriots. Trump spoke plain and blunt about what needed to be done and should be done to grow USA prosperity = i.e. "Make America Great Again" rather than continue to tear-down and make USA lessor ...

President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments List: ​

MAGAPILL

President Donald J. Trump’s accomplishment list.

www.magapill.com

I disagree. Reality is that which can be measured. If it can't be seen, or measured in the real world, then it isn't reality. That's why the climatology BS, is just that. BS. They have zero empirical data to support them.

Consider in the context of the post prior, to which I was responding and note the use of " as in "reality" ;-)

 

[JoeBlow]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?

 

[JoeBlow]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

Says the coward whose Profile information on this forum provides nothing other than a birthdate, age, and gender; (which may, or may not, be truthful)

http://www.mendosa.com/dog40.jpg

OR ...

https://i0.wp.com/www.wagpets.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/on-the-internet.jpg?fit=1680%2C1050&ssl=1

My profile info? That's what you're upset about?

 

[JoeBlow]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

I didn't vote for Trump, Joey.

Got anything else?

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.

Is this the MENSA section of this board? Because you people know EVERYTHING!!

 

[JoeBlow]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Typical progressive. Now you whine like a child. The fact is no one is perfect. NASA has morphed into a political operation. Yes, there are some damned good scientists and engineers who still work there, but the leadership is political hackery on a grand scale.

And those damn good scientists all agree that human activity is warming the world.

 

[JoeBlow]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

So now you resort to non sequitur insults. That's a sure sign you are a moron who knows nothing about the subject.

Trump is the biggest liar ever. His grasp on reality is very tenuous.

 

[JoeBlow]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

I didn't vote for Trump, Joey.

Got anything else?

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.

For the "Mr. Joe"s here, whom didn't sleep through their science classes and didn't flunk same, assuming they know how to read a chart/graph, the basic one showing there is no cause/effect between CO2 (carbon dioxide) levels and average global temperatures;

http://www.greenenergyjubilation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/818/2017/10/Historical-CO2-and-Temerature-Levels.png

Are you the head of MENSA? Why are you not running NASA? You have the most colourful charts.

 

[Likkmee]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Typical progressive. Now you whine like a child. The fact is no one is perfect. NASA has morphed into a political operation. Yes, there are some damned good scientists and engineers who still work there, but the leadership is political hackery on a grand scale.

And those damn good scientists all agree that human activity is warming the world.

You put 6 strippers in a GMC van and it'll get really HOT. I know this to be fact.

 

[JoeBlow]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

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Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Just following the facts, like they do. People who voted for Trump are sometimes unaware of reality, so to speak.

Thing is "Reality" is often a matter of different perspectives.

To paraphrase W. Churchill; "If not a "Liberal" in one's twenties you may have no heart, if not a "Conservative" by one's forties you may not have a brain."

"Reality" can change over time and circumstance.

What many fail to grasp or appreciate is that Trump was not the career politician and held no such similar, constant views. Trump spoke a "reality truth" that resonated with wealth makers in the USA society which hadn't been said since the time of Ronald Reagan.

Trump wasn't about continuing the old "wealth redistribution" of Liberal agenda, but rather about the wealth creation agenda of true USA patriots. Trump spoke plain and blunt about what needed to be done and should be done to grow USA prosperity = i.e. "Make America Great Again" rather than continue to tear-down and make USA lessor ...

President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments List: ​

MAGAPILL

President Donald J. Trump’s accomplishment list.

www.magapill.com

Wow! "Trump" AND "truth" IN THE SAME SENTENCE!!! I didn't think it was possible.

 

[JoeBlow]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Typical progressive. Now you whine like a child. The fact is no one is perfect. NASA has morphed into a political operation. Yes, there are some damned good scientists and engineers who still work there, but the leadership is political hackery on a grand scale.

And those damn good scientists all agree that human activity is warming the world.

You put 6 strippers in a GMC van and it'll get really HOT. I know this to be fact.

It's all the crack they're smoking.

 

[ding]

Let's not let facts spoil a good narrative.

The beauty of all of this is that WHEN it becomes obvious that the planet is not heading for a super greenhouse state - and it will eventually be proven that it isn't - the same people who are arguing that we are will be the ones who tell us that they knew all along that we weren't.

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

We have been in an ice age for the past 2.7 million years. The planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation. At no other time in the earth's history was it so configured for the planet to become colder. The same conditions which led to the transition from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet still exist today.

Talk to me when you can tell me what those conditions are and explain why they led to the transition to an ice house planet.

What's your degree in?

Engineering. What's yours in?

So you know better than all those scientists and NASA?

I know what this means and why it is this way.

View attachment 508451

View attachment 508452

Do you?

I bet the people at NASA would laugh at you. Smart people follow their lead.

I get a lot of my data on past climates from NASA.

Maybe you should study the earth's climate for yourself.

I have, I agree with everything the scientists say.

You have no idea what the scientists say other than CO2 is bad. There isn't one thing you understand about any of this.

They have no empirical evidence. All they have are flawed models which have proven to be inaccurate. The only experiment that was done shows that CO2 does not cause appreciable back radiation. The evidence from the geologic record shows that CO2 does not drive climate change, it reinforces climate change. Our current temperature is 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles. Our present sea level is 26 ft below the last interglacial cycle. And we are literally in the middle of an ice age and are 120 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation that would put 3,000 meters of ice over all of Canada, parts of the US NE and Midwest and parts of Europe and Asia wiping out everything in it's path and displacing a quarter of a billion people.

Scientists agree that global warming from human activity is a thing. You don't agree. Guess who is more likely to be right?

SOME scientists believe such, because they are getting paid to say such.

Duh!

We teach science basics in school in hopes that average citizens will know and understand enough of science to protect themselves from misuse and also to know if those they elect to make decisions also know enough to decide wisely and correctly.

Would you agree that mixing ammonia and bleach is a good formula for a super cleaning solution?

I think that you're nuts if you think you know better than scientists and NASA.

I think you are nuts if you think they are infallible or always correct.
Also, I'd wager you either flunked or barely passed any science courses you took (if any).
I've a large background in technical applications in aerospace and the energy and manufacturing fields.
Have fun mixing the ammonia and bleach, but don't inhale.
Meanwhile, I go on proof that can be replicated in the lab, not opinion.

He clearly has no idea what is right or wrong, he just uses the education/authority, consensus fallacies as his basis for why he believes in them.

It is why he doesn't know what to debate on as he is ignorant of the details.

I should tell NASA to come here and get the truth from you 2 yahoos and stop playing around.

You mean the same NASA that launched the Challenger against the recommendation of the solid fuel booster manufacturer? That NASA?

Says Mr Perfect.

The solid fuel booster manufacturer perfectly predicted what would happen and NASA ignored it.

So then everything they've ever said or will say is bogus.

Just things they are biased about which gets in the way of their objectivity. That's why you shouldn't blindly follow anything or anyone.

Because you know better? Btw, what colour is the sky in your world?

I already explained why, dummy.

The facts are that we are in the middle of an ice age with the planet uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation which has led to more frequent and more drastic temperature changes. We are still 2C below the peak temperatures of previous interglacial cycles so our present temperature is still within the normal range. Those are the facts.