Mail in voting - Democrats again the party of despotism

[jc456]

How is mail in voting a new system?

How’s it not?

 

[jc456]

How is mail in voting a new system?

Because in the past you had to ask for a ballot. They didn't just send out ballots to everyone alive or dead they can imagine.

You didn't know that? Seriously? Where have you been, Antarctica?

You still have to ask for them. WTF are you talking about?

In Washington, Oregon, Colorado they have been mailing ballots to all voters, unrequested. They have been doing it for years and years. Because of COVID, additional states like California (who passed the Voter's Choice Act long before COVID) will be mailing a ballot automatically to all registered voters. They don't have to be requested in advance.

Trump sycophants only started to get upset about mailing ballots to all registered voters in the past few months. You won't find a single concern or complaint from them about VBM in WA, OR or CO prior to a couple months ago...when their cult leader started looking down the barrel of a loss.

They are as transparent as glass. We SEE how desperate and pathetic they are.

One word, harvesting

 

[busybee01]

I get it, unlimited Dem vote fraud is bad for Republicans.

Actually the Dems true vote by mail ELECTION RIGGING SCHEME was reported yesterday...get millions to vote by mail BEFORE the first debate, BEFORE Biden has to face his opponent and defend his policies, BEFORE there is really a presidential campaign. Rig the election by letting the liberal news media to spew anti Trump, pro Biden propaganda while Biden hides in his basement not facing the American people.

So rig the election by getting millions of Americans to make an uninformed decision. Truly a new low for Democrats.

Debates are not going to change anything. Anything Trump touches turns to disaster. Those voters are more informed than you are.

You forget Joe Biden is talking. He just told Blacks that all Blacks are the same while comparing them to Hispanics.

Trump talked about the suburban housewives. That is a term from the 50's. Many suburban women are well edcucated and are professional.

 

[Seawytch]

How is mail in voting a new system?

How’s it not?

Because we have been doing it since the Civil War. Oregon has been mailing ballots to every registered voter in their state for OVER 20 years. Sorry Rip Van Winkle, but that's not new.

Postal voting in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Seawytch]

How is mail in voting a new system?

Because in the past you had to ask for a ballot. They didn't just send out ballots to everyone alive or dead they can imagine.

You didn't know that? Seriously? Where have you been, Antarctica?

You still have to ask for them. WTF are you talking about?

In Washington, Oregon, Colorado they have been mailing ballots to all voters, unrequested. They have been doing it for years and years. Because of COVID, additional states like California (who passed the Voter's Choice Act long before COVID) will be mailing a ballot automatically to all registered voters. They don't have to be requested in advance.

Trump sycophants only started to get upset about mailing ballots to all registered voters in the past few months. You won't find a single concern or complaint from them about VBM in WA, OR or CO prior to a couple months ago...when their cult leader started looking down the barrel of a loss.

They are as transparent as glass. We SEE how desperate and pathetic they are.

One word, harvesting

You mean that thing that Republicans tried to do in North Carolina? Yeah, they got caught. Seems like the system worked.

 

[busybee01]

How is mail in voting a new system?

How’s it not?

How do you think soldiers have voted for centuries? They didn't use carrier pigeons. They have voted by mail.

 

[busybee01]

You don't buy that people will send in ballots for other people if mass ballots are mailed out with no accountability? That's insane. The rest of your post was pretty reasonable though

Pure nonsense. All states have mechanism in place to detect and prevent double voting and ballots are only sent to registered voters

All states have mechanism in place to detect and prevent double voting and ballots are only sent to registered voters

And every time the states use those them to purge their rolls, the Dems scream like stuck pigs.

One has nothing to do with the other

You don't get the connection between mailing out millions of ballots all the hell over the place and cleaning out the voter rolls? Seriously? OMG, Democrats are just the dumbest people in the world.

Your userid should not be Lesh, it should be Sheesh ...

They are not being mailed all over the place. Also Republicans have purged voters who have not voted in 4 years. That is too soon as many states give out licenses that are good for 8 years or more. Wisconsin wanted to give voters until 2021 but a partisan REPUBLICAN judge forced them to do it immediately. A convicted killer's appeals can last for years but a voter can be removed immediately. In addition, many people have been removed based on bad databases. Some of them have been restored but I suspect many will not be aware of this and will be denied the right to vote. Republicans are using purging of the rolls in a partisan manner.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

1 in 5 mail ballots rejected in botched NYC primary

New York City expanded mail-in voting, but rejected 84,000 ballots in June.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Republicans know the greater the turnout the less chance they have of winning.

Dead voters and illegal aliens do favor the Dems by a wide margin.

 

[busybee01]

How is mail in voting a new system?

Because in the past you had to ask for a ballot. They didn't just send out ballots to everyone alive or dead they can imagine.

You didn't know that? Seriously? Where have you been, Antarctica?

You still have to ask for them. WTF are you talking about?

In Washington, Oregon, Colorado they have been mailing ballots to all voters, unrequested. They have been doing it for years and years. Because of COVID, additional states like California (who passed the Voter's Choice Act long before COVID) will be mailing a ballot automatically to all registered voters. They don't have to be requested in advance.

Trump sycophants only started to get upset about mailing ballots to all registered voters in the past few months. You won't find a single concern or complaint from them about VBM in WA, OR or CO prior to a couple months ago...when their cult leader started looking down the barrel of a loss.

They are as transparent as glass. We SEE how desperate and pathetic they are.

One word, harvesting

There is nothing wrong with assissting voters with their ballots. It was done in NC and the irregularities were caught. Many organizations have assisted voters by giving them rides. This is no different.

 

[busybee01]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

1 in 5 mail ballots rejected in botched NYC primary

New York City expanded mail-in voting, but rejected 84,000 ballots in June.

www.nbcnews.com

There is no doubt that voters need to be educated on voting by mail. That does not mean it should not be done.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do you think soldiers have voted for centuries?

I remember Dems trying to exclude military votes in Florida in 2000.

That was awesome!


Retreating under fire from Republicans, Florida's attorney general, a top ally of Vice President Al Gore, said today that local officials should count absentee ballots from overseas military voters that were thrown out because they lacked postmarks.

But the statement by Attorney General Robert A. Butterworth, Mr. Gore's state campaign chairman, may have less to do with votes than with cutting Democrats' losses in what they concede has been a losing public relations war. Republicans have accused Democrats of mounting a concerted effort to throw out as many military ballots as possible, because most of those votes were presumed to be for Gov. George W. Bush of Texas, not Mr. Gore.

County election officials who tabulated overseas ballots on Friday and Saturday rejected hundreds of military ballots for a variety of reasons. Republican criticism, though, focused particularly on what election officials said was the most common problem, failure to have a postmark. That seemed particularly galling to critics, since military mail can be sent without a postmark.

COUNTING THE VOTE: THE ABSENTEE BALLOTS; Review Military Votes, Florida Attorney General Says (Published 2000)

Florida Atty Gen Robert A Butterworth, ally of Vice Pres Al Gore, retreats under fire from Republicans and says local officials should should count absentee ballots from overseas military voters that were thrown out because they lacked postmarks; move is seen as more of effort to cut Democrats'...

www.nytimes.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

1 in 5 mail ballots rejected in botched NYC primary

New York City expanded mail-in voting, but rejected 84,000 ballots in June.

www.nbcnews.com

There is no doubt that voters need to be educated on voting by mail. That does not mean it should not be done.

If Dems didn't whine so much when voter rolls are purged........

 

[busybee01]

Republicans know the greater the turnout the less chance they have of winning.

Dead voters and illegal aliens do favor the Dems by a wide margin.

The Republicans have alienated blacks, latinos, women, asians, muslims and every group you can think of except white uneducated men.

 

[busybee01]

How do you think soldiers have voted for centuries?

I remember Dems trying to exclude military votes in Florida in 2000.

That was awesome!


Retreating under fire from Republicans, Florida's attorney general, a top ally of Vice President Al Gore, said today that local officials should count absentee ballots from overseas military voters that were thrown out because they lacked postmarks.

But the statement by Attorney General Robert A. Butterworth, Mr. Gore's state campaign chairman, may have less to do with votes than with cutting Democrats' losses in what they concede has been a losing public relations war. Republicans have accused Democrats of mounting a concerted effort to throw out as many military ballots as possible, because most of those votes were presumed to be for Gov. George W. Bush of Texas, not Mr. Gore.

County election officials who tabulated overseas ballots on Friday and Saturday rejected hundreds of military ballots for a variety of reasons. Republican criticism, though, focused particularly on what election officials said was the most common problem, failure to have a postmark. That seemed particularly galling to critics, since military mail can be sent without a postmark.

COUNTING THE VOTE: THE ABSENTEE BALLOTS; Review Military Votes, Florida Attorney General Says (Published 2000)

Florida Atty Gen Robert A Butterworth, ally of Vice Pres Al Gore, retreats under fire from Republicans and says local officials should should count absentee ballots from overseas military voters that were thrown out because they lacked postmarks; move is seen as more of effort to cut Democrats'...

www.nytimes.com

The question should be whether military voters should be different from regular voters. If military votes without postmarks then all votes that lack a postmark should be counted.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

223K Clark County NV Mail Ballots Went to Wrong Addresses in 2020 Primary

County Returns: 17% of Clark County Voter Roll Shows Wrong Addresses

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/NV-2020-Primary-1P-1.pdf

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do you think soldiers have voted for centuries?

I remember Dems trying to exclude military votes in Florida in 2000.

That was awesome!


Retreating under fire from Republicans, Florida's attorney general, a top ally of Vice President Al Gore, said today that local officials should count absentee ballots from overseas military voters that were thrown out because they lacked postmarks.

But the statement by Attorney General Robert A. Butterworth, Mr. Gore's state campaign chairman, may have less to do with votes than with cutting Democrats' losses in what they concede has been a losing public relations war. Republicans have accused Democrats of mounting a concerted effort to throw out as many military ballots as possible, because most of those votes were presumed to be for Gov. George W. Bush of Texas, not Mr. Gore.

County election officials who tabulated overseas ballots on Friday and Saturday rejected hundreds of military ballots for a variety of reasons. Republican criticism, though, focused particularly on what election officials said was the most common problem, failure to have a postmark. That seemed particularly galling to critics, since military mail can be sent without a postmark.

COUNTING THE VOTE: THE ABSENTEE BALLOTS; Review Military Votes, Florida Attorney General Says (Published 2000)

Florida Atty Gen Robert A Butterworth, ally of Vice Pres Al Gore, retreats under fire from Republicans and says local officials should should count absentee ballots from overseas military voters that were thrown out because they lacked postmarks; move is seen as more of effort to cut Democrats'...

www.nytimes.com

The question should be whether military voters should be different from regular voters. If military votes without postmarks then all votes that lack a postmark should be counted.

That seemed particularly galling to critics, since military mail can be sent without a postmark.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Republicans know the greater the turnout the less chance they have of winning.

Dead voters and illegal aliens do favor the Dems by a wide margin.

The Republicans have alienated blacks, latinos, women, asians, muslims and every group you can think of except white uneducated men.

And dead voters and illegal aliens.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Can you point me to any post where I said that?

Yes. It's in the conversation in your quote, actually. Hutch said people can't mail in someone else's ballot when they are dead and you agreed with him

Yes. It's in the conversation in your quote, actually. Hutch said people can't mail in someone else's ballot when they are dead and you agreed with him

I never said that at all, ya fuckin liar.

That's what you said when I said they could do that. You're just stuck in lie your ass off mode

That's what you said when I said they could do that. You're just stuck in lie your ass off mode

Quote it, loser.

Obviously you saw it since it was in this chain and you just cut it when you asked me for the quote. Here you go, liar

They didn't just send out ballots to everyone alive or dead they can imagine.

That's your imagination, dope.

Note, you will not now admit I was right even though I showed you the quote because you're a shemale. A flaming fag with no testicles

Note, you will not now admit I was right even though I showed you the quote because you're a shemale. A flaming fag with no testicles

Good job, loser.
We all lnew you had nothing but more bullshit.

 

[BWK]

This thread is not about whether or not government mailing ballots all over the place without being prompted is a good idea or not. I think it's not, but that's for another thread.

The parties of course are competing with each other. And realistically, there are only two parties that win any substantial number of elections. Fair play in all competitions is that rules are agreed on before the competition by the contestants.

That Democrats are ramming a new system down everyone's throats is in itself wrong and despotic. The parties should agree to changing the system of deciding who wins those competitions before the competition. One party should not be able to unilaterally change the rules themselves on their own.

Democrats keep saying we're a "democracy." Well, when one side is deciding how we determine the winner, it's not. Democrats are more and more like any despotic government that decides how elections will be run and who will win.

If mail in ballots are better, then we need to take the time and figure out how to make it work so both sides are comfortable.

So the question to address in the thread: Should one party be able to unilaterally be able to change the basic rules of the game over the objections of the other party?

I say no. Republicans should not be able to do it either

What rules are you talking about? The rules where many Republican Floridians voted by mail previously, and that there is no evidence of fraud? Hayes: Trump plan is to attack legitimacy of voting system while also undermining it Mail in voting is not just a Democrat thing. Nice try.

Now that's a wild pitch. You gave an example of a case where the parties worked together and agreed. That's not what my OP is about. Try again:

So the question to address in the thread: Should one party be able to unilaterally be able to change the basic rules of the game over the objections of the other party?

The question is mute. It's irrelevant. It's also a stupid question. Why do you suppose we had a voting rights act? If a party changes a rule to disenfranchise voters, whether they are Republican or not, you are in violation of the act itself. Closing 868 polls in the south to disenfranchise minority voters didn't happen because of some rule. It happened as a result to suppress the minority vote. The fact that there is a remedy for that, has nothing to do with changing rules. Those rules were already in place to secure equal protections for ones vote.
No one party should have the power to curb a legal voters right to vote. The question is self-explanatory. Why ask such a ridiculous question?
In other words,