Lying to ATF on gun-purchase form yields few prosecutions, data shows

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Form 4473 — the Firearm Transaction Record — is a six-page document that must be filled out whenever someone buys a firearm from a licensed firearm dealer.

The form asks questions including whether the person buying the gun is a felon, whether the person is a fugitive from justice or convicted of domestic abuse, whether the person is addicted to drugs and whether the person is the actual buyer of the firearm.
This tweet by ATF’s Houston office led a swarm of Twitter users to ask why the bureau didn’t charge Hunter Biden, the president’s son, for allegedly lying on Form 4473 when he purchased a handgun in October 2018. The controversy prompted us to request statistics from the Justice Department to determine whether someone falsely filling out the form faced much of a risk of prosecution.

It took months to obtain the data. The answer, it turns out, is no.


The statistics are newly relevant as Congress discusses how to strengthen gun laws in the wake of high-profile mass shootings. This is a prime illustration of how, for a variety of reasons including prosecutorial choices, existing laws are not always rigorously or consistently enforced.

The Facts

Starting with the National Firearms Act of 1938, Congress has sought to limit gun purchases by certain individuals such as fugitives and people convicted of a felony. After high-profile assassinations and the occupation of the California Capitol by armed Black Panthers, President Lyndon B. Johnson urged passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which among other things expanded the list of prohibited people to include someone who is “an unlawful user of or addicted to marijuana or any depressant or stimulant drug.”

The reason for adding drug users to the list is a bit obscure, according to experts we consulted. Johnson did not mention the issue in his speech calling for a new gun-control law or in his remarks when signing the bill. But the mid-1960s witnessed the rise of counterculture, with its abundant drug use, while marijuana at the time was often believed by law enforcement to be the drug of choice for people of color.
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, ushered into law by then-Sen. Joe Biden, at the time chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made Form 4473 a key part of background checks for gun purchases mandated by the law.

Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. For being a user of unlawful drugs in possession of a firearm, the punishment is up to five years.

So there you have it! This is the article written to try and vindicate Hunter Biden from prosecution.

But as the Left runs to vindicate Hunter Biden, they overlook the obvious which is, what good are the gun laws we have today if virtually none of the laws regarding gun registration are observed?

Essentially, the Left is arguing this:

1. Gun laws are silly and not worth observing.

2. Since most law breakers are not sent to jail, why send Hunter?

The problem here is, Joe Biden did not even let the judge rule in the case, so we will never know what penalty, if any, would have befallen Hunter. But at least democrats have basically admitted that gun laws are stupid and need removed if they are continued to be ignored.

But my guess is, most of the laws on the books are there ONLY to put into effect if certain people those in power want put in jail. The powers that be have already shown us they don't care about rampant crime on the streets, as laws on illegal immigration are also ignored. No, those laws are only in place to use if someone threatens the political power of the elites, then all of a sudden, our laws are worthwhile and need enforced.
 
I really don't think the pardon was targeted towards the false gun application by Hunter. That is why the pardon extends some 10 years and prior to the said felony. I doubt he would have gotten any jail time for it.

The pardon was just smoke and mirrors to absolve Hunter from much more serious criminal activity.
 
I really don't think the pardon was targeted towards the false gun application by Hunter. That is why the pardon extends some 10 years and prior to the said felony. I doubt he would have gotten any jail time for it.

The pardon was just smoke and mirrors to absolve Hunter from much more serious criminal activity.
Biden knew the witch hunt against Hunter would only intensify under Trump
He cut it off
 
Hopefully, this leads to drug testing for all gun buyers. How many of them have cannabis in their systems when they buy a firearm? It may have been a month since their last cannabis use, but so what? Just do it. :)
 
Hopefully, this leads to drug testing for all gun buyers. How many of them have cannabis in their systems when they buy a firearm? It may have been a month since their last cannabis use, but so what? Just do it. :)

Makes sense to keep us safe
 
If you compare the Hunter case and Trump case, something glaring appears. There have been people who have gone to jail for lying on their gun registration. However, there are no examples of people going to jail for bad bookkeeping like they tried to do to Trump.

From that vantage point, the Hunter case looks a lot less like lawfare than Hunter.

No matter your view, it is apparent to all that the justice system is broken and 100% partisan.
 
Biden knew the witch hunt against Hunter would only intensify under Trump
He cut it off
Essentially what you are saying is, if Trump wanted he could use the DOJ and the FBI and whoever else he wanted to put Hunter away forever, and there would be nothing anyone could do about it because there are no checks and balances in the system. I would agree. But again, this is only speculative as Trump has never done this like it was done to him.

So why would Joe only focus on pardoning his son when Trump is free to do this to everyone else, or whoever becomes President?

Where is the concern for the American people and justice? Why not call for reform?
 
Well, Hunted is a part time dad and "recovering crackhead", cut him some slack. He promises not to extort $200 million from countries that need our foreign aid, EVER AGAIN.

Whoa... what the fuck is "Big Black Cock Fucking my Throat"??? :laughing0301: :laughing0301:

The party that likes to fuck kids will tell us "that's a typo", I'm sure....


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If you compare the Hunter case and Trump case, something glaring appears. There have been people who have gone to jail for lying on their gun registration. However, there are no examples of people going to jail for bad bookkeeping like they tried to do to Trump.

From that vantage point, the Hunter case looks a lot less like lawfare than Hunter.

No matter your view, it is apparent to all that the justice system is broken and 100% partisan.
Nobody sent Trump to jail for bookkeeping, did they?
 

Form 4473 — the Firearm Transaction Record — is a six-page document that must be filled out whenever someone buys a firearm from a licensed firearm dealer.

The form asks questions including whether the person buying the gun is a felon, whether the person is a fugitive from justice or convicted of domestic abuse, whether the person is addicted to drugs and whether the person is the actual buyer of the firearm.
This tweet by ATF’s Houston office led a swarm of Twitter users to ask why the bureau didn’t charge Hunter Biden, the president’s son, for allegedly lying on Form 4473 when he purchased a handgun in October 2018. The controversy prompted us to request statistics from the Justice Department to determine whether someone falsely filling out the form faced much of a risk of prosecution.

It took months to obtain the data. The answer, it turns out, is no.


The statistics are newly relevant as Congress discusses how to strengthen gun laws in the wake of high-profile mass shootings. This is a prime illustration of how, for a variety of reasons including prosecutorial choices, existing laws are not always rigorously or consistently enforced.

The Facts

Starting with the National Firearms Act of 1938, Congress has sought to limit gun purchases by certain individuals such as fugitives and people convicted of a felony. After high-profile assassinations and the occupation of the California Capitol by armed Black Panthers, President Lyndon B. Johnson urged passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which among other things expanded the list of prohibited people to include someone who is “an unlawful user of or addicted to marijuana or any depressant or stimulant drug.”

The reason for adding drug users to the list is a bit obscure, according to experts we consulted. Johnson did not mention the issue in his speech calling for a new gun-control law or in his remarks when signing the bill. But the mid-1960s witnessed the rise of counterculture, with its abundant drug use, while marijuana at the time was often believed by law enforcement to be the drug of choice for people of color.
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, ushered into law by then-Sen. Joe Biden, at the time chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made Form 4473 a key part of background checks for gun purchases mandated by the law.

Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. For being a user of unlawful drugs in possession of a firearm, the punishment is up to five years.

So there you have it! This is the article written to try and vindicate Hunter Biden from prosecution.

But as the Left runs to vindicate Hunter Biden, they overlook the obvious which is, what good are the gun laws we have today if virtually none of the laws regarding gun registration are observed?

Essentially, the Left is arguing this:

1. Gun laws are silly and not worth observing.

2. Since most law breakers are not sent to jail, why send Hunter?

The problem here is, Joe Biden did not even let the judge rule in the case, so we will never know what penalty, if any, would have befallen Hunter. But at least democrats have basically admitted that gun laws are stupid and need removed if they are continued to be ignored.

But my guess is, most of the laws on the books are there ONLY to put into effect if certain people those in power want put in jail. The powers that be have already shown us they don't care about rampant crime on the streets, as laws on illegal immigration are also ignored. No, those laws are only in place to use if someone threatens the political power of the elites, then all of a sudden, our laws are worthwhile and need enforced.

More lunacy from the lawless left. I'd better never ever hear another Democrat claim we need more gun laws.
 
Biden knew the witch hunt against Hunter would only intensify under Trump
He cut it off
I thought witch hunts didn’t happen. That’s what you said for years to try to hold Trump accountable for the shady charges against him.

For Trump: “he was charged, so it’s pure justice, no politics can possibly be involved, he did it”
For Biden: “hey now, politics happen..”

LOL

Why the 180? No principles? You can’t expect to be taken seriously here, can you?
 
I thought witch hunts didn’t happen. That’s what you said for years to try to hold Trump accountable for the shady charges against him.

Why the 180? No principles?

That's different, somehow... someway

Only a leftist knows
 
If you compare the Hunter case and Trump case, something glaring appears. There have been people who have gone to jail for lying on their gun registration. However, there are no examples of people going to jail for bad bookkeeping like they tried to do to Trump.

From that vantage point, the Hunter case looks a lot less like lawfare than Hunter.

No matter your view, it is apparent to all that the justice system is broken and 100% partisan.
The orange POS incited a deadly riot where 5 lives were lost. Hunter is and was a nobody that won`t go to jail for owning a laptop. Sorry. You bozos wanted to lock up "crooked Hillary" for using email. :laughing0301:
 
If you compare the Hunter case and Trump case, something glaring appears. There have been people who have gone to jail for lying on their gun registration. However, there are no examples of people going to jail for bad bookkeeping like they tried to do to Trump.

From that vantage point, the Hunter case looks a lot less like lawfare than Hunter.

No matter your view, it is apparent to all that the justice system is broken and 100% partisan.
Falsification of business records is charged routinely.

Literally thousands of times.

 
The orange POS incited a deadly riot where 5 lives were lost. Hunter is and was a nobody that won`t go to jail for owning a laptop. Sorry. You bozos wanted to lock up "crooked Hillary" for using email. :laughing0301:

You missed the actual issues and spewed left loon talking points
 
If you compare the Hunter case and Trump case, something glaring appears. There have been people who have gone to jail for lying on their gun registration. However, there are no examples of people going to jail for bad bookkeeping like they tried to do to Trump.

From that vantage point, the Hunter case looks a lot less like lawfare than Hunter.

No matter your view, it is apparent to all that the justice system is broken and 100% partisan.
NY State, has had dozens if not hundreds of cases where politicians and others were charged and convicted using the same law used in Trump's case since the book keeping law was created....is what I read in the news....they even gave the cases and names of some of the convicted over the years and the circumstances that lead to their specific cases....

Let me see if I can find that link....
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In Hunter's case and that law on the books for gun purchases, seems to be used when cops and prosecutors catch a criminal in a criminal act, with a gun....to pile on the charges against the criminal in the act....?
 

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