lWhat has the Auto Industry actually invented in the last 70 years?

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Case in point, we will be looking at two engines of comparable size; the Chrysler 345 introduced in 2003 and the Chrysler 354 introduced in 1955.

HP rating: 335 on the 354 and 320 hp (one model did 350 hp). Yes, one is raw while the other is SAE. Meaning, both of the engines are about equal since 350hp would lose a few hp with the addition of the various engine drive features.

Torque would be close as well. The 345 (5.7l) would be 335 while the 354 would be 385.

And this is using bare boned carburation on the 354 and fuel induction on the 5.7L amongst other improvements. If the 354 would have been equally equipped it would be closer to 450hp while the best the 345 can do is in 2009, the introduction of the Eagle Version of the 345 at 405 hp.

Now let's look at what has been invented since 1943. For the engines, nothing. Between the Aircraft Engines and Tank Engines, the WWII engines had it all including fuel injection, supercharging, turbocharging, hemi heads, high compression and they boosted more than 1 hp per CI which wasn't met in an auto engines until the 354 was introduce and then lost again after 1969. In order for the Ford Coyote to get that fantastic HP, it needed to use all of the old improvements.

Now, let's use the big brother to the 354 which is the 392 introduced in 1957 and ended production in 1959. It came out of the factory with at least 350 hp and one version made 395hp. And that was with carburation with no boost or special anything else. That's also the one that could produce 2000 hp if you equipped it like the hot Chevy, Ford or Chrysler engines. If you take one of the modern engines past about 1200hp, it becomes a maintenance nightmare while the 392 hemi could handle 1200 hp standing on it's head and without boost, could develop in the neighborhood of 700hp.

The 1950s borrowed heavily from Military Engines and we went through an entire Malaise era until the introduction of the 6.1 hemi which many others have equaled since.

Any ideas on this one, Motorheads?
 

  • Airbags:
    Patented in 1953, airbags became available in some cars in the early 1970s, becoming mandatory for drivers and passengers in the US by 1998.
  • Seat Belts: While seat belts existed before, the three-point seat belt, which provides greater restraint across the lap and shoulder, was pioneered by Volvo in 1959 and has become a universal safety standard.
  • Anti-lock Braking System (ABS): Introduced in the 1970s, ABS helps prevent skidding during hard braking, allowing drivers to maintain steering control.
  • Electronic Stability Control (ESC): Developed in the 1990s, ESC helps vehicles maintain control by detecting and reducing loss of traction, according to AutoRepairBA.com.
  • Advanced Driver-Assistance Systems (ADAS): Starting in the 2010s, these systems include features like adaptive cruise control, lane-keeping assistance, and automatic emergency braking, working together to prevent accidents.
  • Blind Spot Detection: Using sensors to monitor areas around the car not visible to the driver, this system alerts the driver of vehicles in the blind spot.
  • Rear-View Cameras and Parking Sensors: These features enhance visibility when backing up, making parking safer and easier.
 

  • Airbags:
    Patented in 1953, airbags became available in some cars in the early 1970s, becoming mandatory for drivers and passengers in the US by 1998.
  • Seat Belts: While seat belts existed before, the three-point seat belt, which provides greater restraint across the lap and shoulder, was pioneered by Volvo in 1959 and has become a universal safety standard.
  • Anti-lock Braking System (ABS): Introduced in the 1970s, ABS helps prevent skidding during hard braking, allowing drivers to maintain steering control.
  • Electronic Stability Control (ESC): Developed in the 1990s, ESC helps vehicles maintain control by detecting and reducing loss of traction, according to AutoRepairBA.com.
  • Advanced Driver-Assistance Systems (ADAS): Starting in the 2010s, these systems include features like adaptive cruise control, lane-keeping assistance, and automatic emergency braking, working together to prevent accidents.
  • Blind Spot Detection: Using sensors to monitor areas around the car not visible to the driver, this system alerts the driver of vehicles in the blind spot.
  • Rear-View Cameras and Parking Sensors: These features enhance visibility when backing up, making parking safer and easier.
Biggest change is cars are significantly safer, lighter and more reliable
Emissions are way down, fuel economy up and auto fatalities have dropped tremendously
 
Case in point, we will be looking at two engines of comparable size; the Chrysler 345 introduced in 2003 and the Chrysler 354 introduced in 1955.

HP rating: 335 on the 354 and 320 hp (one model did 350 hp). Yes, one is raw while the other is SAE. Meaning, both of the engines are about equal since 350hp would lose a few hp with the addition of the various engine drive features.

Torque would be close as well. The 345 (5.7l) would be 335 while the 354 would be 385.

And this is using bare boned carburation on the 354 and fuel induction on the 5.7L amongst other improvements. If the 354 would have been equally equipped it would be closer to 450hp while the best the 345 can do is in 2009, the introduction of the Eagle Version of the 345 at 405 hp.

Now let's look at what has been invented since 1943. For the engines, nothing. Between the Aircraft Engines and Tank Engines, the WWII engines had it all including fuel injection, supercharging, turbocharging, hemi heads, high compression and they boosted more than 1 hp per CI which wasn't met in an auto engines until the 354 was introduce and then lost again after 1969. In order for the Ford Coyote to get that fantastic HP, it needed to use all of the old improvements.

Now, let's use the big brother to the 354 which is the 392 introduced in 1957 and ended production in 1959. It came out of the factory with at least 350 hp and one version made 395hp. And that was with carburation with no boost or special anything else. That's also the one that could produce 2000 hp if you equipped it like the hot Chevy, Ford or Chrysler engines. If you take one of the modern engines past about 1200hp, it becomes a maintenance nightmare while the 392 hemi could handle 1200 hp standing on it's head and without boost, could develop in the neighborhood of 700hp.

The 1950s borrowed heavily from Military Engines and we went through an entire Malaise era until the introduction of the 6.1 hemi which many others have equaled since.

Any ideas on this one, Motorheads?
Airbags and rear cameras.
Meh
 

  • Airbags:
    Patented in 1953, airbags became available in some cars in the early 1970s, becoming mandatory for drivers and passengers in the US by 1998.
  • Seat Belts: While seat belts existed before, the three-point seat belt, which provides greater restraint across the lap and shoulder, was pioneered by Volvo in 1959 and has become a universal safety standard.
  • Anti-lock Braking System (ABS): Introduced in the 1970s, ABS helps prevent skidding during hard braking, allowing drivers to maintain steering control.
  • Electronic Stability Control (ESC): Developed in the 1990s, ESC helps vehicles maintain control by detecting and reducing loss of traction, according to AutoRepairBA.com.
  • Advanced Driver-Assistance Systems (ADAS): Starting in the 2010s, these systems include features like adaptive cruise control, lane-keeping assistance, and automatic emergency braking, working together to prevent accidents.
  • Blind Spot Detection: Using sensors to monitor areas around the car not visible to the driver, this system alerts the driver of vehicles in the blind spot.
  • Rear-View Cameras and Parking Sensors: These features enhance visibility when backing up, making parking safer and easier.
Included, finally, by automakers, not invented by them.
 

What has the Auto Industry actually invented in the last 70 years?​


Cheap Chinese vehicles.
More ways to price gouge.
Making more vehicles with more defects.
Wasting tons of money on overproducing crap nobody wants.
 
As someone who is getting older myself, I am excited by the development of self driving cars.
I would never trust it.

First of all, every manufacturer is suffering from software, electronic and mechanical recalls.
Secondly, these systems are rendered useless in inclement weather.
No system would be safe on black ice, and most sensors temporarily shut down in heavy rain and snow.
While GPS is wonderful, there are still times when either map data is incorrect or out of date.

I shut off all nanny systems every time I start my vehicle.
I will drive my overpriced vehicle myself, thank you.
 
I would never trust it.

First of all, every manufacturer is suffering from software, electronic and mechanical recalls.
Secondly, these systems are rendered useless in inclement weather.
No system would be safe on black ice, and most sensors temporarily shut down in heavy rain and snow.
While GPS is wonderful, there are still times when either map data is incorrect or out of date.

I shut off all nanny systems every time I start my vehicle.
I will drive my overpriced vehicle myself, thank you.


I can easily imagine an elderly me, happy to stay in if BLACK ICE or Heavy snow is even a possiblity, and yet loving the self driving car on good weather days.
 
I can easily imagine an elderly me, happy to stay in if BLACK ICE or Heavy snow is even a possiblity, and yet loving the self driving car on good weather days.
Thing is.
I actually enjoy driving, especially getting to use 4x4 in snow.
Most manufacturers are bailing on self driving.
Too expensive and too prone to failure.
 
I can easily imagine an elderly me, happy to stay in if BLACK ICE or Heavy snow is even a possiblity, and yet loving the self driving car on good weather days.
I would not trust it.

I have had cruise control for over 30 years but never use it
 
1976 Volvo introduces the first child booster cushion.

1976 Lambdasonde (oxygen probe) is introduced by Volvo, and reduces harmful exhaust emissions in their cars by 90%-- a huge breakthrough for the environment.
 
Biggest change is cars are significantly safer, lighter and more reliable
Emissions are way down, fuel economy up and auto fatalities have dropped tremendously
Auto fatalities are actually up thanks to the CAFE standards that have now been neutered.
 
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The only invention has been the ridiculous concept of S tupid U seless V ehicles.
In 2011 I was in a flood which caused my old Ford to basically be stranded in situ; hence I was unable to get up a Range into the main city area and was ISOLATED for several days. I was technically a "missing person" for a week. After that getting around in a normal car was problematic for about a month. I now have a Jeep V8 and a Nissan Navara Diesel; BOTH 4WD.

Frankly you are wrong.

Greg
 
Thing is.
I actually enjoy driving, especially getting to use 4x4 in snow.
Most manufacturers are bailing on self driving.
Too expensive and too prone to failure.

I appreciate your position. But elderly me, won't want to be stuck in his house.


We have a bit of a conflict here.
 
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