Lutecia James won’t stop her vendetta against Trump

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

No, an appeal has already been filed. Did you not read the damn thread title? And the SCOTUS will only hear a civil case out of state court if it involves a federal statue, a treaty, or violates the Constitution.

Well, genius, this case violated the Constitution...lol

 

[Robert W]

Jesus, it's like you never heard of the subprime mortgage crisis.

Banks in general steered clear of subprime mortgages originations.

 

[Robert W]

So did Trump.

Trump does not fill out mortgage applications. He has hired professionals for that. And then he signs the applications, and his worker gets a check ready for the needed funds the bank needs.

 

[Marener]

Trump does not fill out mortgage applications. He has hired professionals for that. And then he signs the applications, and his worker gets a check ready for the needed funds the bank needs.

Testimony at trial proved that Trump and his kids were intimately involved with the valuations of the properties.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[SurferH2O]

This is what is happening to the Left Cult that supported the lawfare....

 

[skye]

 

[Winston]

You don't understand the loan process or the appraisal process.

And neither do you. Not for high net worth individuals seeking private equity loans . The loan at Duetsche Bank was a private equity, not a construction loan. But regardless, rather an organization did an independent audit for took Trumps financial statements on their face is not germane to the case as I previously quoted from the ruling. You guys are like cats chasing the light from a laser pointer.

 

[Winston]

Well, genius, this case violated the Constitution...lol

Yes, the ban against excessive fines. But those fines have been tossed. What is the Constitutional question now?

 

[BackAgain]

You're whining about a loan given by a sophisticated bank.
And now you're running away.
Don't pull a hamstring.

Or … do!

Resign, then let's bankrupt her and the corrupt judge with a countersuit.

She has immunity for her official acts. And the Judge does too.

Plus, it would be unseemly to wage lawfare as retaliation which complains about lawfare.

It should suffice if this kangaroo court miscarriage of justice gets rectified by the proper use of our legal system. Today was a good start. Only a partial start. Hit a start all the same.

All that said, I do enjoy the fact that Letitia James is now facing mortgage fraud charges. Real ones, unlike the nonsense case she brought against Trump. Irony is sometimes on the same page as justice.

 

[BackAgain]

Yes, the ban against excessive fines. But those fines have been tossed. What is the Constitutional question now?

For one: equal protection of the law.

For two: selective prosecution. (Not criminal case prosecution, obviously. But prosecution in the more limited sense of proceeding with a legal action.)

For three: if a civil case under the executive law turns on the Penal Law in whole or in part and the “crimes” it references have an “intent” element, as it did in this case, then how can intent not have to be proved by the government in the executive law civil matter?

Other legal matters were preserved by the defense in the summary judgment proceeding as well as at trial. Maybe educate yourself and take a deep dive into the respective decisions from the Appellate Division especially Justice Friedman’s opinion.

https://nycourts.gov/courts/AD1/calendar/AppsMots/2025/apps/20250821/2023-04925,%20et%20ano..pdf

 

[Robert W]

And neither do you. Not for high net worth individuals seeking private equity loans . The loan at Duetsche Bank was a private equity, not a construction loan. But regardless, rather an organization did an independent audit for took Trumps financial statements on their face is not germane to the case as I previously quoted from the ruling. You guys are like cats chasing the light from a laser pointer.

I definitely do. You don't as you just admitted. Banks are not private lenders.

 

[Robert W]

Testimony at trial proved that Trump and his kids were intimately involved with the valuations of the properties.

As I reported, Appraisers hired appraise the property. Banks can hire several appraisers if the value looks very wrong.

 

[Winston]

Or … do!

She has immunity for her official acts. And the Judge does too.

Plus, it would be unseemly to wage lawfare as retaliation which complains about lawfare.

It should suffice if this kangaroo court miscarriage of justice gets rectified by the proper use of our legal system. Today was a good start. Only a partial start. Hit a start all the same.

All that said, I do enjoy the fact that Letitia James is now facing mortgage fraud charges. Real ones, unlike the nonsense case she brought against Trump. Irony is sometimes on the same page as justice.

Right on cue. Only one of the three judges claimed the mortgage fraud charges were not justified, or even proven. The remaining three all agreed, mortgage fraud did occur, and was dutifully prosecuted by Mrs. Jones, all four judges agreed on that. The applicable law is here,

12. Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal
acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the
carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general
may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the
supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an
order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any
fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an
appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue
of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law
or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court
may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem
proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include
any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception,
misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false
promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent
fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or
carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term
"repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and
distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies
recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state
official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject
to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

In connection with any such application, the attorney general is
authorized to take proof and make a determination of the relevant facts
and to issue subpoenas in accordance with the civil practice law and
rules. Such authorization shall not abate or terminate by reason of any
action or proceeding brought by the attorney general under this section.

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

www.nysenate.gov

None of the judges argued that Jones was not right in seeking prosecution. One of the four, a Republican, argued that the AG did not prove fraud, but in reading his argument, and the rebuttal provided by two of the judges, he pretty much twists himself into a pretzel to make that argument.

I commend you for saying one shouldn't address lawfare by lawfare. And if Mrs. Jones committed mortgage fraud go after her. But this was not lawfare. I mean it appears that these Trump supporters believe Mrs. Jones went after Trump because, well it was Trump. The primary source of this investigation from the get-go was Michael Cohen. And you can attempt to disparage his testimony, fine, but it was his testimony that launched the investigation and supporting evidence, reams of it actually, were uncovered.

There as been much talk about the loans, there was no damage. While it is easy to argue that is not the case, there were damages, I understand the concept of opportunity cost is hard to understand. But the reality, as I have quoted from the ruling itself, is that due diligence of the lenders is not an excuse in charges filed under Section 63. But what no one has mentioned is that it wasn't just Trump overvaluing his properties, it was him undervaluing his properties for tax purposes. And yes, that did harm people, mainly the citizens of the State of New York. Jones had an obligation to defend those citizens and that she did, admirably.

I mean there has been some crazy shit spouted in this thread. Oh, Trump was vindicated. Uh, No, not even close. Oh, sue Jones, make her pay millions of dollars for the interest Trump lost on his 500 million dollars. Do these people not know how this shit works. Surety bond, $375,000, and Trump certainly shopped around. I figure he put up cash for collateral, cash of 175 million, and he got paid interest on that if he did. The really cool part, someone got a nice fat commission of around 40 grand for the sale of the surety bond, and it could have been much higher if Trump didn't put up cash collateral. If you need a surety bond maybe you can go where Trump went.

Homepage - Knight Insurance Group

www.knightinsurancegroup.com

Besides, Jones had nothing to do with the penalty assessed. It was the judge, and damn, can you really blame him, after all the shit Trump put him through. After all the disrespect. I believe there is a strong case that the penalty will hold up under appeal. Of course, that would certainly send it to the SCOTUS. I mean I will give Trump some free legal advice, maybe one of your supporters can pass it on.

He committed fraud, his sons committed fraud, I mean be reticent, admit to the wrong doing, ask for forgiveness, show you are willing to make amends, charitable contributions, completely tax deductible, to the State of New York and her citizens. Throw up an art gallery, donate to Broadway or the Ballet. He conducts himself like an adult, well the fine could be one dollar, for real. The chance of that actually happening, with Trumps mental illness, is slim to none.

 

[Winston]

I definitely do. You don't as you just admitted. Banks are not private lenders.

Right, so you don't understand private equity. Thanks for playing.

 

[MarcATL]

What's the gist of her "mortgage fraud" OP?

What, exactly, did she do wrong, or criminal specifically?

 

[Marener]

As I reported, Appraisers hired appraise the property. Banks can hire several appraisers if the value looks very wrong.

Trump hired appraisers but replaced their numbers with widely inflated values.

Just one small part of the fraud he perpetrated.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The First Department today affirmed the well-supported finding of the trial court: Donald Trump, his company, and two of his children are liable for fraud.

“The court upheld the injunctive relief we won, limiting Donald Trump and the Trump Organization officers’ ability to do business in New York. It should not be lost to history: yet another court has ruled that the president violated the law, and that our case has merit.

“We will seek appeal to the Court of Appeals and continue to protect the rights and interests of New Yorkers.”

It was a compromise to protect Ergodon and James. Two justices for a whole new trial under a new judge and prosecutor, two for just cancelling the monetary penalty and one for throwing the whole thing out as being politically motivated. The next level of appeal will throw the whole conviction out.

 

[BluesLegend]

He only put up a 125 million dollar surety bond. Probably around $375,000. Brilliance is not something one would associate with you idiots.

DESTROY all Democrats to infinity. Yes I think that's clear now.

 

[BluesLegend]

Or … do!

She has immunity for her official acts. And the Judge does too.

No she doesn't, not those acts. But let's say she does...it doesn't stop anyone from suing her ass and bankrupting her with legal fees defending it.

 

[Winston]

No she doesn't, not those acts. But let's say she does...it doesn't stop anyone from suing her ass and bankrupting her with legal fees defending it.

No problem, she can form a PAC and get dumbass donators to pay for it.