Lutecia James won’t stop her vendetta against Trump

[Lisa558]

What else is she going to do? Let her keep it up. It’s comical.

Maybe she’ll run as the Dem nominee for president. We should only be so lucky.

 

[Marener]

The Appeals Court saw through it, and tossed the ridiculous fine. And the entire case will be tossed, too.

You know more than an Appeals Court?

The fraud is obvious and unquestioned.

The only actual argument being presented in court is that fraud shouldn’t be punished when it’s rich people.

 

[Lisa558]

The fraud is obvious and unquestioned.

The only actual argument being presented in court is that fraud shouldn’t be punished when it’s rich people.

Your TDS is out of control.

 

[Marener]

Your TDS is out of control.

All you have is trolling. You can’t discuss any of the facts. None of you can.

Because the facts aren’t on your side.

 

[Winston]

It’s pretty clear Trump supporters are blissfully ignorant about the facts of the case and refuse to allow anyone to educate them.

You didn’t “see through it”, but closed your eyes tight and pretended it didn’t happen.

Not only do they not know the facts of the case, they don't even know the basics of the Law. Like all this screaming, "Where is the harm?". It is basic law, it is called fraud in the inducement. And this case was not brought against Trump for the banks, it was bought against Trump for the people of New York.

And these people don't have to be educated by anyone. I have linked to the opinion of the court. I have linked to the New York legal code on which the case was based. It is right there.

 

[Dragonlady]

Even in the face of her own obvious mortgage fraud, this DEI attorney general - who has no business being an attorney at all - has just declared she will APPEAL the Appeal Court setting aside her vindictive, insane $500 million fine against Trump. How much more chutpzpah can this woman possibly have? There want even a victim!

She should consider herself lucky that she isn’t being disbarred for her prosecutorial misconduct driven by politics, and instead she is doubling down.

Attorney General James Releases Statement on First Department Opinion Affirming Donald Trump is Liable for Fraud

NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Letitia James today released the following statement after the Appellate Division, First Judicial Department of the New

ag.ny.gov

The racist filth says WHAT?????

The Appeals Court UPHELD THE VERDICT, Stupid!!! They said Trump is guilty but the fine was too large. So they vacated the fine. They never claimed that Trump wasn't a fraud or that he was not guilty. You really need to take the MAGA, blinders off, *****.

Even in the face of the false allegations against her promulgated by the lawless criminal felon in the White House, James is pursuing justice. That's leadership.

 

[Lisa558]

All you have is trolling. You can’t discuss any of the facts. None of you can.

Because the facts aren’t on your side.

The facts are this was a politically motivated witch-hunt to hurt the Republican nominee for president, and the punishment has been overturned in recognition of that.

You Dems need to admit when you’re wrong or you’ll never win another election.

 

[dudmuck]

Give it up already. The whole “convicted felon” BS was designed to get ignorant, gullible people to refuse to vote for Trump.

You failed, and most people saw through it.

In fact, after years of combing through every little detail of Trump’s life, the best the Dems could come up with was a non-disclosure agreement and a loan paid back according to terms. That tells you how clean Trump is!

its a campaign finance violation to pay money to keep her from talking during an election campaign. Then, the other crime of falsifying the recording of this on business records

 

[Lisa558]

its a campaign finance violation to pay money to keep her from talking during an election campaign. Then, the other crime of falsifying the recording of this on business records

He paid it from his own business’s money, as legal fees. And falsifying business records is a misdemeanor, long expired.

 

[Marener]

The facts are this was a politically motivated witch-hunt to hurt the Republican nominee for president, and the punishment has been overturned in recognition of that.

You Dems need to admit when you’re wrong or you’ll never win another election.

What do you say about all the politically motivated witch hunts from the Trump administration?

If they actually score any convictions, they should be vacated too, right?

 

[80zephyr]

Trump had appraisals of his properties but he didn’t use them in his application. He inserted his own much higher value.

Everyone who deals in real estate will use a higher appraisal if they can. If its a certified appraiser, you're golden. I have done this myself.

 

[Marener]

He paid it from his own business’s money

Which is a campaign finance violation.

 

[Marener]

Everyone who deals in real estate will use a higher appraisal if they can. If it’s a certified appraiser, you're golden. I have done this myself.

He didn’t use an appraisal. He just made shit up.

I don’t think you’re allowed to do that. Am I wrong?

 

[Lisa558]

What do you say about all the politically motivated witch hunts from the Trump administration?

If they actually score any convictions, they should be vacated too, right?

They’re not politically motivated. They’re ousting the leftists who weaponized the government.

 

[80zephyr]

He didn’t use an appraisal. He just made shit up.

I don’t think you’re allowed to do that. Am I wrong?

You can't just make shit up. If Trump had to provide an appraisal, he had to provide one.

 

[Lisa558]

Which is a campaign finance violation.

No it’s not. It was a non-disclosure contract to keep Melania from knowing.

 

[BackAgain]

Right on cue. Only one of the three judges claimed the mortgage fraud charges were not justified, or even proven. The remaining three all agreed, mortgage fraud did occur, and was dutifully prosecuted by Mrs. Jones, all four judges agreed on that. The applicable law is here,

12. Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal
acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the
carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general
may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the
supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an
order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any
fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an
appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue
of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law
or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court
may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem
proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include
any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception,
misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false
promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent
fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or
carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term
"repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and
distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies
recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state
official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject
to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

In connection with any such application, the attorney general is
authorized to take proof and make a determination of the relevant facts
and to issue subpoenas in accordance with the civil practice law and
rules. Such authorization shall not abate or terminate by reason of any
action or proceeding brought by the attorney general under this section.

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

www.nysenate.gov

None of the judges argued that Jones was not right in seeking prosecution. One of the four, a Republican, argued that the AG did not prove fraud, but in reading his argument, and the rebuttal provided by two of the judges, he pretty much twists himself into a pretzel to make that argument.

I commend you for saying one shouldn't address lawfare by lawfare. And if Mrs. Jones committed mortgage fraud go after her. But this was not lawfare. I mean it appears that these Trump supporters believe Mrs. Jones went after Trump because, well it was Trump. The primary source of this investigation from the get-go was Michael Cohen. And you can attempt to disparage his testimony, fine, but it was his testimony that launched the investigation and supporting evidence, reams of it actually, were uncovered.

There as been much talk about the loans, there was no damage. While it is easy to argue that is not the case, there were damages, I understand the concept of opportunity cost is hard to understand. But the reality, as I have quoted from the ruling itself, is that due diligence of the lenders is not an excuse in charges filed under Section 63. But what no one has mentioned is that it wasn't just Trump overvaluing his properties, it was him undervaluing his properties for tax purposes. And yes, that did harm people, mainly the citizens of the State of New York. Jones had an obligation to defend those citizens and that she did, admirably.

I mean there has been some crazy shit spouted in this thread. Oh, Trump was vindicated. Uh, No, not even close. Oh, sue Jones, make her pay millions of dollars for the interest Trump lost on his 500 million dollars. Do these people not know how this shit works. Surety bond, $375,000, and Trump certainly shopped around. I figure he put up cash for collateral, cash of 175 million, and he got paid interest on that if he did. The really cool part, someone got a nice fat commission of around 40 grand for the sale of the surety bond, and it could have been much higher if Trump didn't put up cash collateral. If you need a surety bond maybe you can go where Trump went.

Homepage - Knight Insurance Group

www.knightinsurancegroup.com

Besides, Jones had nothing to do with the penalty assessed. It was the judge, and damn, can you really blame him, after all the shit Trump put him through. After all the disrespect. I believe there is a strong case that the penalty will hold up under appeal. Of course, that would certainly send it to the SCOTUS. I mean I will give Trump some free legal advice, maybe one of your supporters can pass it on.

He committed fraud, his sons committed fraud, I mean be reticent, admit to the wrong doing, ask for forgiveness, show you are willing to make amends, charitable contributions, completely tax deductible, to the State of New York and her citizens. Throw up an art gallery, donate to Broadway or the Ballet. He conducts himself like an adult, well the fine could be one dollar, for real. The chance of that actually happening, with Trumps mental illness, is slim to none.

We know already that only one judge said the case should be reversed and dismissed.

Thanks as always for that unneeded update.
Typical you.

Many of us long since have known and discussed what the primary applicable law says it was discussed at the time. Also discussed back then was the “other” or the underlying criminal claims applicable to many of the counts.

Again, although your post is bloviating and verbose, as usual, you little anything to the discussion, as usual.

We also know that Jones DID seek so-called “disgorgement” but that it was the “judge” who granted those ridiculous numbers.

If you feel compelled to post, maybe consider brevity and conciseness. Also, make a coherent point. Really, it would help you a lot.

 

[Winston]

Many of us long since have known and discussed what the primary applicable law says it was discussed at the time. Also discussed back then was the “other” or the underlying criminal claims applicable to many of the counts.

In determining whether the Attorney General’s proof has met the standard of a“capacity or tendency to deceive,” certain elements of a claim for common-law fraud may be relaxed. For example, it has been held that reliance is not an element of a claim under section 63(12) (e.g. Matter of People v Trump Entrepreneur Initiative LLC, 137AD3d 409, 417 [1st Dept 2016]). Relieving the Attorney General of the burden of proving reliance facilitates the use of the provision to reach schemes directed at the public markets for securities or consumer goods or services, where it may be difficult to prove that any particular victim of the scheme directly relied upon the defendant’s misstatement. It has also been held that, in an action under section 63(12), the Attorney General need not prove scienter (Trump Entrepreneur Initiative, 137 AD3d at417) or loss to victims (People v Ernst & Young, LLP, 114 AD3d 569, 569-570 [1st Dept2014])

From Judge Friedman's opinion.

 

[Moonglow]

Even in the face of her own obvious mortgage fraud, this DEI attorney general - who has no business being an attorney at all - has just declared she will APPEAL the Appeal Court setting aside her vindictive, insane $500 million fine against Trump. How much more chutpzpah can this woman possibly have? There want even a victim!

She should consider herself lucky that she isn’t being disbarred for her prosecutorial misconduct driven by politics, and instead she is doubling down.

Attorney General James Releases Statement on First Department Opinion Affirming Donald Trump is Liable for Fraud

NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Letitia James today released the following statement after the Appellate Division, First Judicial Department of the New

ag.ny.gov

Good, but they should reduce it.

 

[BackAgain]

No she doesn't, not those acts. But let's say she does...it doesn't stop anyone from suing her ass and bankrupting her with legal fees defending it.

Yes. She does. And it is precisely what would stop anyone from bothering. Plus, in any case where she got sued for her official conduct, the NY State taxpayers would be picking up any legal fees and those might get awarded to the state —to be paid by the plaintiff and plaintiff’s counsel — for filing a frivolous lawsuit. (Since they would know all about her legal immunity.)

She is a shitty AG. But her claims against Trump (although just as shitty) were “colorably” related to the Executive Law and did lead to a verdict (from a hack judge) for the State.