Lutecia James won’t stop her vendetta against Trump

[80zephyr]

Yes. Are you suggesting Deutsche Bank was required to appraise literally every property that Trump has any ownership stake in?

No. I am suggesting that to an appraiser, you have to be certified. You think an appraiser is gonna implicate himself in that bullshit? Ever had an appraisal done? It is obvious the bank accepted the appraisal.

 

[WelfareQueen]

The First Department today affirmed the well-supported finding of the trial court: Donald Trump, his company, and two of his children are liable for fraud.

“The court upheld the injunctive relief we won, limiting Donald Trump and the Trump Organization officers’ ability to do business in New York. It should not be lost to history: yet another court has ruled that the president violated the law, and that our case has merit.

“We will seek appeal to the Court of Appeals and continue to protect the rights and interests of New Yorkers.”

Soon to be overturned on appeal.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Look, you ******* dumbass, they didn't kick out the case. Again, from the ruling,

Presiding Justice Renwick and I find that Supreme Court correctly found defendants liable. We agree with Supreme Court that the Attorney General acted well within her lawful power in bringing this action, and that she vindicated a public interest in doing so. We also find that Supreme Court properly ruled only on claims that are timely under the applicable statute of limitations. However, we would modify the remedy ordered by Supreme Court. While the injunctive relief ordered by the court is well crafted to curb defendants’ business culture, the court’s disgorgement order, which directs that defendants pay nearly half a billion dollars to the State of New York, is an excessive fine that violates the Eighth Amendment of the United States Constitution.

It's as good as kicked out. You do know this isn't a criminal case. Right?

 

[Winston]

That makes no sense.

There was no victim. The $500 million fine was designed to tie up Trump’s cash to hurt his run for the presidency, and the attempt to ruin his business was pure evil.

Thankfully, the Court overturned it. Now Trump should sue the ***** for the $25 million he lost in interest income. Her wages can be attached for the rest of her working life.

Can we just stop with the stupid. That money was not tied up. Trump purchased a surety bond for 125 million. Probably cost him a whomping $375,000. And Jones didn't set the damn fine. Now, I know he struggled in getting that surety bond, perhaps he backed it up with 125 million in cash. If he did, HE GOT PAID ******* INTEREST.

You people are beyond stupid. No, Trump was not vindicated. No, the case was not dismissed with prejudice. Only one judge voted for dismissal, the ******* Republican, go figure. In any one was vindicated, it was Jones. The conviction was upheld, only the fines were overturned. Sure, it is going to the State Supreme Court, if for no other reason than to determine the amount of the fine. Trump has the right to take it to the State Supreme Court as well.

No, Trump does not have immunity in State courts, I would give you the case law but you shits haven't even open the damn decision yet, let alone at least scanned through it. I mean here is a thought, if you don't know jackshit as to what you are talking about, STFU.

 

[Marener]

No. I am suggesting that to an appraiser, you have to be certified. You think an appraiser is gonna implicate himself in that bullshit? Ever had an appraisal done? It is obvious the bank accepted the appraisal.

Trump had appraisals of his properties but he didn’t use them in his application. He inserted his own much higher value.

 

[Winston]

It's as good as kicked out. You do know this isn't a criminal case. Right?

Persactly, not a criminal case, a civil one, where the standards for proving fraud are much lower. Again, from the damn ruling,

Executive Law § 63(12) and the Martin Act expand liability beyond that recognized under the common law (see Matter of People v Trump Entrepreneur Initiative LLC, 137 AD3d at 417 [“fraud under [section] 63(12) may be established without proof of . . . reliance,” and “the Attorney General may rely on 51[section] 63 (12) for a cause of action and need not limit itself to claims for common law fraud only”

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Gotcha. So people can write down literally anything they want on a loan application and there's absolutely nothing illegal about it.

It depends. If you lie on a loan application and default, you have defrauded the lender. The lender has been damaged in the amount of the loan. But for the fraud the loan would not have been made.

Suppose you lie on a loan application and the lender doesn't believe you but makes the loan anyway. The loan is paid in full, early. The lender hasn't been damaged. Without damages, no case.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Persactly, not a criminal case, a civil one, where the standards for proving fraud are much lower. Again, from the damn ruling,

Executive Law § 63(12) and the Martin Act expand liability beyond that recognized under the common law (see Matter of People v Trump Entrepreneur Initiative LLC, 137 AD3d at 417 [“fraud under [section] 63(12) may be established without proof of . . . reliance,” and “the Attorney General may rely on 51[section] 63 (12) for a cause of action and need not limit itself to claims for common law fraud only”

And the penalty has been vacated, which makes it nothing more than a pile of useless paperwork. It'll eventually make it to the United States Supreme Court and will cease to exist.

 

[Marener]

It depends. If you lie on a loan application and default, you have defrauded the lender. The lender has been damaged in the amount of the loan. But for the fraud the loan would not have been made.

Suppose you lie on a loan application and the lender doesn't believe you but makes the loan anyway. The loan is paid in full, early. The lender hasn't been damaged. Without damages, no case.

Adam Schiff never defaulted. Why is he under investigation?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Adam Schiff never defaulted. Why is he under investigation?

For mortgage fraud. He lied on his mortgage application.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Adam Schiff never defaulted. Why is he under investigation?

He is an elected official who lied so he could run in a district he doesn't live in. A requirement for the office he holds.

 

[Marener]

For mortgage fraud. He lied on his mortgage application.

So did Trump.

Supposedly, according to this very low information MAGA, it’s only a problem if you default.

 

[Marener]

He is an elected official who lied so he could run in a district he doesn't live in. A requirement for the office he holds.

That’s not what you said earlier.

Mortgage fraud. Same as Eric Swallwell.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Eric Swallwell is even worse, He lives in Maryland.

 

[Mack The Finger]

Trump lied.

ObamaChrist and Sleep Joe....didn't tho !

 

[Winston]

And the penalty has been vacated, which makes it nothing more than a pile of useless paperwork. It'll eventually make it to the United States Supreme Court and will cease to exist.

No, an appeal has already been filed. Did you not read the damn thread title? And the SCOTUS will only hear a civil case out of state court if it involves a federal statue, a treaty, or violates the Constitution.

 

[Robert W]

Do you think the bank is so stupid they didn't look up the sq ft of the Apartment??? see this is why you can't believe these fake news reports... the extra 10,000 if there was an extra 10,000 sq ft could have included private areas in the hotel... its all a lie... and Tish will go down in history as a very bad American citizen and a tax and real estate cheat herself....

Banks loan money all week long and verify everything on the application. They are experts in locating fraud. For the big customers, multiple appraisals are normally got by banks. lenders contacted me a few times per month to verify work by other appraisers for a fee of course.

I believe Rambunctious was an appraiser too.

 

[Marener]

They are experts in locating fraud.

Jesus, it's like you never heard of the subprime mortgage crisis.

 

[Robert W]

Please be careful out there. You have a stunning ignorance of the law.

Or you're just a hack, which is more likely.

You don't understand the loan process or the appraisal process.

 

[Robert W]

Jesus, it's like you never heard of the subprime mortgage crisis.

I am an actual expert on the subprime mortgage crisis.
I am also an expert appraiser
I am also an expert on home loans since I originated many of them. Did you fix sewing machines?