Lost Raiders Owner Mark Davis in talks of moving team to san antonio.

The Rams should go to San Antonio and the Raiders should go to LA.

Nobody cares about the Rams outside of St Louis. The Raiders are an NFL institution.

The NFL would be better with the Raiders in LA.

The Chargers could go there too.

i see your still smoking something as usual. :lmao:

Nobody cares about the Rams outside of st louis? oh really? is that why all polls not only in LA taken in LA but around the country,what teams they would like to see back in LA the most between the Rams,Raiders,and Chargers,that every poll voted the majority wanted the Rams?:lmao:

ESPN did a nationwide poll and the majority wanted the Rams.

in both the LA times poll and the ESPN nationwide poll taken,the polls were consistant with the Rams coming in first with 65% of the votes,Raiders with 30%,and the chargers dead last at 5%.

Your way off as always,st louis sports fans dont even care if they leave.season ticket sales have dropped by 20% since they know they are as good as gone and most sportsfans dont care out there.

I saw a royals/cardinals game played in kansas city a few weeks ago.I asked about 30 cardinal fans how they felt about the rams going back to LA next year.most said-i could care less,they can have them.only a handful or so said they did not want to see them go.one even said he was a cardinals fan but a chiefs fan,didnt even care about the rams.

and LA contact of mine told me his company sends him down there for business trips for his job once a year in may.He told me that while down there,he saw cardinal jerseys everywhere and Blues jerseys,but he did not spot even one Rams jersey out there.

meanwhile in LA,you go to disneyland or to angels,dodgers,lakers,clippers,ducks or kings games,more and more people are coming out wearing their Rams jerseys the fact they know they are coming back.

raiders will never go back to LA despite what USMB's disinfo agent rightwinger says,the proof is in the pudding they are not going back to LA.check post # 102 :rolleyes-41:

the Chargers MIGHT join the Rams a couple years down the road as a second tenant to kroneke.Going to be tough though because spanos has not negotiated in good faith with the city to try and stay there so an antitrust lawsuit might prevent them from leaving.

The Rams honored their lease agreement with the city they signed 20 years ago,they are free to leave because they honored everything they were asked to do in their lease agreement.the city did not honor the lease agreement and are now backpeddling trying to make kroneke look like the bay guy for their incompetence in their desperate attempts to try and keep them.

The chargers though,the major of SD has wisely gone to the NFL to discuss a new stadium because the chargers have not even tried to get anything done with them which is in violation of NFL rules so if it goes to court,they probably wont be allowed to move to LA either.

Now since this thread is about the RAIDERS,LA is not an option for them,get over it...San Antonio would be their only option they would have if they wanted to relocate.LA is not an option,the city doesnt want them there because their colors and logo incites gang violence in LA.when the Raiders left LA,crime dropped drastically,they want to keep it that way.they share the same sentiments UCLA and USC have,they dont want them there.the NFL cant force a city that doesnt want a team there to take them.

Even if the city did want them,they wont get the 3/4 votes from the owners needed to move because the owners are sore at the davis family for suing the NFL to move there.mark davis would have to sell the team and they would have to rebrand their image to get an NFL approval.not happening.

Fred Roggin a radio sportscaster out in LA is the only media source out there that tells it like it is and reports the facts.He has said the same thing i said from day one,that carson was a fantasy and pipe dream just for the raiders and chargers to use as leverage for new stadiums.

the raiders and chargers are doing what disinfo agent kissmy said kronke was doing with the rams saying he made the land purchase for leverage.he has back peddled since then and LIED since then just like i said he would back then and is now claiming he never said the Rams were never coming back.problem he has,is the computer keeps records of your past posts and it shows his words right there in black and white saying that kroneke was just using the land purchase for LEVERAGE for a new stadium.kroneke isnt even talking to the city of st louis,yep thats sure leverage for a new stadium alright.:lmao:

that troll always has to LIE when he is cornered and proven wrong.

now back to the topic of the RAIDERS.LA is not an option for them,san antonio might be,if they move anywhere,it would be SA.


adding on to this post taking you to school here Toto that nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams and you having egg on your face is the year the Raiders won the superbowl out there in LA,the very next year for their home opener,they only drew a crowd of just 46,269.

What was the crowd numbers for the Rams that same year for their home opener? 65,403. pretty impressive since that dump in Anaheim stadium they played in was a baseball stadium and many attending were standing room only because it was only a 62,000 seating capacity.

The OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA,but nobody cared.:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::haha:

Plus Dan Dierdorf said a couple of months ago that in his entire career as a broadcaster for monday night football games from 1987 to 1994, the NFL never once had the Raiders play a home game because of the fact they never drew well out there in LA and had a half empty stadium all the time so all their monday night games were always televised on the road.:haha:

Meanwhile the Rams on the other hand,had MANY home games in LA televised throughout the 70's and 80's.


so lets see here.The Rams who have led in all polls both locally in LA and around the country from the LA TIMES polls and in a ESPN poll,consistantly show the majority have voted in favor of the Rams over the Raiders, The Rams had a sold out crowd capacity of 65,403 for their home opener the year the Raiders won their superbowl out there in LA,The Raiders on the other hand,even though they won the superbowl out there in LA the previous year,only drew a pitiful capacity crowd of 46,269 for THEIR home opener,never could get a home game televised in the 80's or 90's when they were there,and YOUR trying to tell us nobody outside st louis cares about the Rams and the NFL would be better with the RAIDERS in LA? comedy gold from you as always:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::rofl::rolleyes-41:


of course,thats not one bit at all surprising hearing that from you since like USMB's resident troll rightwinger,you have never been one who has ever wanted to bother with pesky little facts.:rofl:


oh and the proof is in the pudding as well that the raiders were never embraced in LA like they were in Oakland.you can see from watching it,footage of a game played in oakland in the 70's and that stadium is packed sold out,then they show footage of a game played in LA and that place is half empty against their division rival the denver broncos no less.:biggrin:

PLUS you hear that oakland raider fan in that video there who traveled to games out there in LA saying unlike games played in oakland,the one difference he noticed of games played in LA was he had no problems getting tickets to games out there.lol



it was the OAKLAND fans that went out there and supported them for the most part when they were in LA.If they left them again,they would not support them again.i know many oakland fans who have said they would not go out there and support them again. ticket prices would be too high for them. and the people with deep pockets out there in LA,they wont support them either because they dont want the Raiders.

It was only the thugs that embraced them for the most part out there and they cant afford the ticket prices.:biggrin:

also you are forgetting that was WHY Al Davis moved the team back to Oakland was because he realised that was the biggest mistake he ever made was moving them out there because of the lack of fan support.

Matter of fact he even hinted he wanted to move them back to oakland after he had been out there for just a couple years saying just five years later or so that he really missed having the Raiders in oakland missing the loud roar of the crowds they had there in the bay area.

You wont find any Raider fans around the country and especially in LA passionate about the Raiders like they are in the bay area.

LA football fans have passion for ONLY THE RAMS.nobody else.they are passionate about their Rams the same way Oakland fans are about the Raiders.

I agree the passion is in Oakland.


as you can see from all the statistics i posted,.nobody in LA cared when the raiders won a superbowl out there the fact that the majority of the stadium was empty for their home opener the next year and someone here thinks the RAIDERS should go to LA over the Rams? comedy gold.:rofl:

the OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA,but nobody in LA cared.:lmao:

did you notice how i debunked it as well that nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams? lol.

Yeah nobody outside of st louis cares,thats why LA TIMES polls AS WELL AS nationwide polls conducted by ESPN showed that the Rams consistantly came in first with the Raiders always in second place far behind in second because nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams going back to LA.:lmao::lmao::haha::rofl::rofl:

its actually just the opposite,nobody IN ST LOUIS cares about the Rams where outside of st louis,everyone around the country wants them back in LA.:biggrin:
 
The Rams should go to San Antonio and the Raiders should go to LA.

Nobody cares about the Rams outside of St Louis. The Raiders are an NFL institution.

The NFL would be better with the Raiders in LA.

The Chargers could go there too.

i see your still smoking something as usual. :lmao:

Nobody cares about the Rams outside of st louis? oh really? is that why all polls not only in LA taken in LA but around the country,what teams they would like to see back in LA the most between the Rams,Raiders,and Chargers,that every poll voted the majority wanted the Rams?:lmao:

ESPN did a nationwide poll and the majority wanted the Rams.

in both the LA times poll and the ESPN nationwide poll taken,the polls were consistant with the Rams coming in first with 65% of the votes,Raiders with 30%,and the chargers dead last at 5%.

Your way off as always,st louis sports fans dont even care if they leave.season ticket sales have dropped by 20% since they know they are as good as gone and most sportsfans dont care out there.

I saw a royals/cardinals game played in kansas city a few weeks ago.I asked about 30 cardinal fans how they felt about the rams going back to LA next year.most said-i could care less,they can have them.only a handful or so said they did not want to see them go.one even said he was a cardinals fan but a chiefs fan,didnt even care about the rams.

and LA contact of mine told me his company sends him down there for business trips for his job once a year in may.He told me that while down there,he saw cardinal jerseys everywhere and Blues jerseys,but he did not spot even one Rams jersey out there.

meanwhile in LA,you go to disneyland or to angels,dodgers,lakers,clippers,ducks or kings games,more and more people are coming out wearing their Rams jerseys the fact they know they are coming back.

raiders will never go back to LA despite what USMB's disinfo agent rightwinger says,the proof is in the pudding they are not going back to LA.check post # 102 :rolleyes-41:

the Chargers MIGHT join the Rams a couple years down the road as a second tenant to kroneke.Going to be tough though because spanos has not negotiated in good faith with the city to try and stay there so an antitrust lawsuit might prevent them from leaving.

The Rams honored their lease agreement with the city they signed 20 years ago,they are free to leave because they honored everything they were asked to do in their lease agreement.the city did not honor the lease agreement and are now backpeddling trying to make kroneke look like the bay guy for their incompetence in their desperate attempts to try and keep them.

The chargers though,the major of SD has wisely gone to the NFL to discuss a new stadium because the chargers have not even tried to get anything done with them which is in violation of NFL rules so if it goes to court,they probably wont be allowed to move to LA either.

Now since this thread is about the RAIDERS,LA is not an option for them,get over it...San Antonio would be their only option they would have if they wanted to relocate.LA is not an option,the city doesnt want them there because their colors and logo incites gang violence in LA.when the Raiders left LA,crime dropped drastically,they want to keep it that way.they share the same sentiments UCLA and USC have,they dont want them there.the NFL cant force a city that doesnt want a team there to take them.

Even if the city did want them,they wont get the 3/4 votes from the owners needed to move because the owners are sore at the davis family for suing the NFL to move there.mark davis would have to sell the team and they would have to rebrand their image to get an NFL approval.not happening.

Fred Roggin a radio sportscaster out in LA is the only media source out there that tells it like it is and reports the facts.He has said the same thing i said from day one,that carson was a fantasy and pipe dream just for the raiders and chargers to use as leverage for new stadiums.

the raiders and chargers are doing what disinfo agent kissmy said kronke was doing with the rams saying he made the land purchase for leverage.he has back peddled since then and LIED since then just like i said he would back then and is now claiming he never said the Rams were never coming back.problem he has,is the computer keeps records of your past posts and it shows his words right there in black and white saying that kroneke was just using the land purchase for LEVERAGE for a new stadium.kroneke isnt even talking to the city of st louis,yep thats sure leverage for a new stadium alright.:lmao:

that troll always has to LIE when he is cornered and proven wrong.

now back to the topic of the RAIDERS.LA is not an option for them,san antonio might be,if they move anywhere,it would be SA.


adding on to this post taking you to school here Toto that nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams and you having egg on your face is the year the Raiders won the superbowl out there in LA,the very next year for their home opener,they only drew a crowd of just 46,269.

What was the crowd numbers for the Rams that same year for their home opener? 65,403. pretty impressive since that dump in Anaheim stadium they played in was a baseball stadium and many attending were standing room only because it was only a 62,000 seating capacity.

The OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA,but nobody cared.:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::haha:

Plus Dan Dierdorf said a couple of months ago that in his entire career as a broadcaster for monday night football games from 1987 to 1994, the NFL never once had the Raiders play a home game because of the fact they never drew well out there in LA and had a half empty stadium all the time so all their monday night games were always televised on the road.:haha:

Meanwhile the Rams on the other hand,had MANY home games in LA televised throughout the 70's and 80's.


so lets see here.The Rams who have led in all polls both locally in LA and around the country from the LA TIMES polls and in a ESPN poll,consistantly show the majority have voted in favor of the Rams over the Raiders, The Rams had a sold out crowd capacity of 65,403 for their home opener the year the Raiders won their superbowl out there in LA,The Raiders on the other hand,even though they won the superbowl out there in LA the previous year,only drew a pitiful capacity crowd of 46,269 for THEIR home opener,never could get a home game televised in the 80's or 90's when they were there,and YOUR trying to tell us nobody outside st louis cares about the Rams and the NFL would be better with the RAIDERS in LA? comedy gold from you as always:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::rofl::rolleyes-41:


of course,thats not one bit at all surprising hearing that from you since like USMB's resident troll rightwinger,you have never been one who has ever wanted to bother with pesky little facts.:rofl:


oh and the proof is in the pudding as well that the raiders were never embraced in LA like they were in Oakland.you can see from watching it,footage of a game played in oakland in the 70's and that stadium is packed sold out,then they show footage of a game played in LA and that place is half empty against their division rival the denver broncos no less.:biggrin:

PLUS you hear that oakland raider fan in that video there who traveled to games out there in LA saying unlike games played in oakland,the one difference he noticed of games played in LA was he had no problems getting tickets to games out there.lol



it was the OAKLAND fans that went out there and supported them for the most part when they were in LA.If they left them again,they would not support them again.i know many oakland fans who have said they would not go out there and support them again. ticket prices would be too high for them. and the people with deep pockets out there in LA,they wont support them either because they dont want the Raiders.

It was only the thugs that embraced them for the most part out there and they cant afford the ticket prices.:biggrin:

also you are forgetting that was WHY Al Davis moved the team back to Oakland was because he realised that was the biggest mistake he ever made was moving them out there because of the lack of fan support.

Matter of fact he even hinted he wanted to move them back to oakland after he had been out there for just a couple years saying just five years later or so that he really missed having the Raiders in oakland missing the loud roar of the crowds they had there in the bay area.

You wont find any Raider fans around the country and especially in LA passionate about the Raiders like they are in the bay area.

LA football fans have passion for ONLY THE RAMS.nobody else.they are passionate about their Rams the same way Oakland fans are about the Raiders.

I agree the passion is in Oakland.


as you can see from all the statistics i posted,.nobody in LA cared when the raiders won a superbowl out there the fact that the majority of the stadium was empty for their home opener the next year and someone here thinks the RAIDERS should go to LA over the Rams? comedy gold.:rofl:

the OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA,but nobody in LA cared.:lmao:

did you notice how i debunked it as well that nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams? lol.

Yeah nobody outside of st louis cares,thats why LA TIMES polls AS WELL AS nationwide polls conducted by ESPN showed that the Rams consistantly came in first with the Raiders always in second place far behind in second because nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams going back to LA.:lmao::lmao::haha::rofl::rofl:

its actually just the opposite,nobody IN ST LOUIS cares about the Rams where outside of st louis,everyone around the country wants them back in LA.:biggrin:

I agree the only ones that care about the Raiders are in Oakland.
 
The Rams should go to San Antonio and the Raiders should go to LA.

Nobody cares about the Rams outside of St Louis. The Raiders are an NFL institution.

The NFL would be better with the Raiders in LA.

The Chargers could go there too.

i see your still smoking something as usual. :lmao:

Nobody cares about the Rams outside of st louis? oh really? is that why all polls not only in LA taken in LA but around the country,what teams they would like to see back in LA the most between the Rams,Raiders,and Chargers,that every poll voted the majority wanted the Rams?:lmao:

ESPN did a nationwide poll and the majority wanted the Rams.

in both the LA times poll and the ESPN nationwide poll taken,the polls were consistant with the Rams coming in first with 65% of the votes,Raiders with 30%,and the chargers dead last at 5%.

Your way off as always,st louis sports fans dont even care if they leave.season ticket sales have dropped by 20% since they know they are as good as gone and most sportsfans dont care out there.

I saw a royals/cardinals game played in kansas city a few weeks ago.I asked about 30 cardinal fans how they felt about the rams going back to LA next year.most said-i could care less,they can have them.only a handful or so said they did not want to see them go.one even said he was a cardinals fan but a chiefs fan,didnt even care about the rams.

and LA contact of mine told me his company sends him down there for business trips for his job once a year in may.He told me that while down there,he saw cardinal jerseys everywhere and Blues jerseys,but he did not spot even one Rams jersey out there.

meanwhile in LA,you go to disneyland or to angels,dodgers,lakers,clippers,ducks or kings games,more and more people are coming out wearing their Rams jerseys the fact they know they are coming back.

raiders will never go back to LA despite what USMB's disinfo agent rightwinger says,the proof is in the pudding they are not going back to LA.check post # 102 :rolleyes-41:

the Chargers MIGHT join the Rams a couple years down the road as a second tenant to kroneke.Going to be tough though because spanos has not negotiated in good faith with the city to try and stay there so an antitrust lawsuit might prevent them from leaving.

The Rams honored their lease agreement with the city they signed 20 years ago,they are free to leave because they honored everything they were asked to do in their lease agreement.the city did not honor the lease agreement and are now backpeddling trying to make kroneke look like the bay guy for their incompetence in their desperate attempts to try and keep them.

The chargers though,the major of SD has wisely gone to the NFL to discuss a new stadium because the chargers have not even tried to get anything done with them which is in violation of NFL rules so if it goes to court,they probably wont be allowed to move to LA either.

Now since this thread is about the RAIDERS,LA is not an option for them,get over it...San Antonio would be their only option they would have if they wanted to relocate.LA is not an option,the city doesnt want them there because their colors and logo incites gang violence in LA.when the Raiders left LA,crime dropped drastically,they want to keep it that way.they share the same sentiments UCLA and USC have,they dont want them there.the NFL cant force a city that doesnt want a team there to take them.

Even if the city did want them,they wont get the 3/4 votes from the owners needed to move because the owners are sore at the davis family for suing the NFL to move there.mark davis would have to sell the team and they would have to rebrand their image to get an NFL approval.not happening.

Fred Roggin a radio sportscaster out in LA is the only media source out there that tells it like it is and reports the facts.He has said the same thing i said from day one,that carson was a fantasy and pipe dream just for the raiders and chargers to use as leverage for new stadiums.

the raiders and chargers are doing what disinfo agent kissmy said kronke was doing with the rams saying he made the land purchase for leverage.he has back peddled since then and LIED since then just like i said he would back then and is now claiming he never said the Rams were never coming back.problem he has,is the computer keeps records of your past posts and it shows his words right there in black and white saying that kroneke was just using the land purchase for LEVERAGE for a new stadium.kroneke isnt even talking to the city of st louis,yep thats sure leverage for a new stadium alright.:lmao:

that troll always has to LIE when he is cornered and proven wrong.

now back to the topic of the RAIDERS.LA is not an option for them,san antonio might be,if they move anywhere,it would be SA.


adding on to this post taking you to school here Toto that nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams and you having egg on your face is the year the Raiders won the superbowl out there in LA,the very next year for their home opener,they only drew a crowd of just 46,269.

What was the crowd numbers for the Rams that same year for their home opener? 65,403. pretty impressive since that dump in Anaheim stadium they played in was a baseball stadium and many attending were standing room only because it was only a 62,000 seating capacity.

The OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA,but nobody cared.:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::haha:

Plus Dan Dierdorf said a couple of months ago that in his entire career as a broadcaster for monday night football games from 1987 to 1994, the NFL never once had the Raiders play a home game because of the fact they never drew well out there in LA and had a half empty stadium all the time so all their monday night games were always televised on the road.:haha:

Meanwhile the Rams on the other hand,had MANY home games in LA televised throughout the 70's and 80's.


so lets see here.The Rams who have led in all polls both locally in LA and around the country from the LA TIMES polls and in a ESPN poll,consistantly show the majority have voted in favor of the Rams over the Raiders, The Rams had a sold out crowd capacity of 65,403 for their home opener the year the Raiders won their superbowl out there in LA,The Raiders on the other hand,even though they won the superbowl out there in LA the previous year,only drew a pitiful capacity crowd of 46,269 for THEIR home opener,never could get a home game televised in the 80's or 90's when they were there,and YOUR trying to tell us nobody outside st louis cares about the Rams and the NFL would be better with the RAIDERS in LA? comedy gold from you as always:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::rofl::rolleyes-41:


of course,thats not one bit at all surprising hearing that from you since like USMB's resident troll rightwinger,you have never been one who has ever wanted to bother with pesky little facts.:rofl:


oh and the proof is in the pudding as well that the raiders were never embraced in LA like they were in Oakland.you can see from watching it,footage of a game played in oakland in the 70's and that stadium is packed sold out,then they show footage of a game played in LA and that place is half empty against their division rival the denver broncos no less.:biggrin:

PLUS you hear that oakland raider fan in that video there who traveled to games out there in LA saying unlike games played in oakland,the one difference he noticed of games played in LA was he had no problems getting tickets to games out there.lol



it was the OAKLAND fans that went out there and supported them for the most part when they were in LA.If they left them again,they would not support them again.i know many oakland fans who have said they would not go out there and support them again. ticket prices would be too high for them. and the people with deep pockets out there in LA,they wont support them either because they dont want the Raiders.

It was only the thugs that embraced them for the most part out there and they cant afford the ticket prices.:biggrin:

also you are forgetting that was WHY Al Davis moved the team back to Oakland was because he realised that was the biggest mistake he ever made was moving them out there because of the lack of fan support.

Matter of fact he even hinted he wanted to move them back to oakland after he had been out there for just a couple years saying just five years later or so that he really missed having the Raiders in oakland missing the loud roar of the crowds they had there in the bay area.

You wont find any Raider fans around the country and especially in LA passionate about the Raiders like they are in the bay area.

LA football fans have passion for ONLY THE RAMS.nobody else.they are passionate about their Rams the same way Oakland fans are about the Raiders.

I agree the passion is in Oakland.


as you can see from all the statistics i posted,.nobody in LA cared when the raiders won a superbowl out there the fact that the majority of the stadium was empty for their home opener the next year and someone here thinks the RAIDERS should go to LA over the Rams? comedy gold.:rofl:

the OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA,but nobody in LA cared.:lmao:

did you notice how i debunked it as well that nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams? lol.

Yeah nobody outside of st louis cares,thats why LA TIMES polls AS WELL AS nationwide polls conducted by ESPN showed that the Rams consistantly came in first with the Raiders always in second place far behind in second because nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams going back to LA.:lmao::lmao::haha::rofl::rofl:

its actually just the opposite,nobody IN ST LOUIS cares about the Rams where outside of st louis,everyone around the country wants them back in LA.:biggrin:

I agree the only ones that care about the Raiders are in Oakland.


yeah nobody in LA cared when the OAKLAND Raiders won a superbowl out there where in OAKLAND,the fans are so passionate about their team there that every one of their home games last year was sold out despite the fact they have had 13 consecutive losing seasons there.that is quite a devoted and passionate fanbase in the bay area.

If LA never supported the Raiders out there even when they won a superbowl,just think how empty that stadium would have been out there last year going into week 12 and not having won even ONE game?:biggrin:

Oakland proved they have very passionate devoted sports fans when the Warriors won the NBA championship.thousands lined the streets for the victory celebration they had.

can you imagine what the turnout would be for the Raiders in that city if the Raiders won a superbowl? It would be even bigger because the Raiders are the most popular sports team of the three teams in Oakland plus football is much bigger than basketball and baseball.

the oakland fans sell out all their football games each year despite having 13 consecutive losing seasons.If they won a superbowl out there in oakland,you sure as hell would not find a stadium for their home opener the next year 75% empty.:biggrin:

That was why Al Davis moved the Raiders back to oakland in the first place was because of how horrible the fan support was out there in LA with it being mostly thugs that embraced them out there.:biggrin:
 
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Excellent video from Oakland mayor Libby Schaaf.

Schaaf Oakland can t be distracted by Raiders relocation efforts CSN Bay Area

I really like the part there where she mentioned that there have been direct negotiations taking place between the city of oakland with both the A'S and Raiders.

Here is a perfect example of how there are a lot of gullible posters here at USMB who believe everything the media tells them.

this oakland sportswriter as you can see,writes that the Raiders could possibly be in LA next year.Pretty impossible to do since both USC and UCLA have told the NFL the Raiders are not welcomed to use their facilitys as i posted earlier.:uhoh3:
where the Raiders going to play for at least two years while waiting for a new stadium,Beverly Hills High?:cuckoo::lol:


The Raiders could bolt for the Los Angeles market for the 2016 season.
Oh really Matt Bair?:rolleyes-41:

pretty shoddy and pathetic journalism reporting by this bay area reporter.

Fred Roggin on his radio show out in LA is the ONLY media person in sports who has covered this issue that i respect.

He is the only one i know of that reports FACTS and does not hold the facts back.He is about the only one who is not in it for ratings and tells it like it REALLY is sadly.
 
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i see your still smoking something as usual. :lmao:

Nobody cares about the Rams outside of st louis? oh really? is that why all polls not only in LA taken in LA but around the country,what teams they would like to see back in LA the most between the Rams,Raiders,and Chargers,that every poll voted the majority wanted the Rams?:lmao:

ESPN did a nationwide poll and the majority wanted the Rams.

in both the LA times poll and the ESPN nationwide poll taken,the polls were consistant with the Rams coming in first with 65% of the votes,Raiders with 30%,and the chargers dead last at 5%.

Your way off as always,st louis sports fans dont even care if they leave.season ticket sales have dropped by 20% since they know they are as good as gone and most sportsfans dont care out there.

I saw a royals/cardinals game played in kansas city a few weeks ago.I asked about 30 cardinal fans how they felt about the rams going back to LA next year.most said-i could care less,they can have them.only a handful or so said they did not want to see them go.one even said he was a cardinals fan but a chiefs fan,didnt even care about the rams.

and LA contact of mine told me his company sends him down there for business trips for his job once a year in may.He told me that while down there,he saw cardinal jerseys everywhere and Blues jerseys,but he did not spot even one Rams jersey out there.

meanwhile in LA,you go to disneyland or to angels,dodgers,lakers,clippers,ducks or kings games,more and more people are coming out wearing their Rams jerseys the fact they know they are coming back.

raiders will never go back to LA despite what USMB's disinfo agent rightwinger says,the proof is in the pudding they are not going back to LA.check post # 102 :rolleyes-41:

the Chargers MIGHT join the Rams a couple years down the road as a second tenant to kroneke.Going to be tough though because spanos has not negotiated in good faith with the city to try and stay there so an antitrust lawsuit might prevent them from leaving.

The Rams honored their lease agreement with the city they signed 20 years ago,they are free to leave because they honored everything they were asked to do in their lease agreement.the city did not honor the lease agreement and are now backpeddling trying to make kroneke look like the bay guy for their incompetence in their desperate attempts to try and keep them.

The chargers though,the major of SD has wisely gone to the NFL to discuss a new stadium because the chargers have not even tried to get anything done with them which is in violation of NFL rules so if it goes to court,they probably wont be allowed to move to LA either.

Now since this thread is about the RAIDERS,LA is not an option for them,get over it...San Antonio would be their only option they would have if they wanted to relocate.LA is not an option,the city doesnt want them there because their colors and logo incites gang violence in LA.when the Raiders left LA,crime dropped drastically,they want to keep it that way.they share the same sentiments UCLA and USC have,they dont want them there.the NFL cant force a city that doesnt want a team there to take them.

Even if the city did want them,they wont get the 3/4 votes from the owners needed to move because the owners are sore at the davis family for suing the NFL to move there.mark davis would have to sell the team and they would have to rebrand their image to get an NFL approval.not happening.

Fred Roggin a radio sportscaster out in LA is the only media source out there that tells it like it is and reports the facts.He has said the same thing i said from day one,that carson was a fantasy and pipe dream just for the raiders and chargers to use as leverage for new stadiums.

the raiders and chargers are doing what disinfo agent kissmy said kronke was doing with the rams saying he made the land purchase for leverage.he has back peddled since then and LIED since then just like i said he would back then and is now claiming he never said the Rams were never coming back.problem he has,is the computer keeps records of your past posts and it shows his words right there in black and white saying that kroneke was just using the land purchase for LEVERAGE for a new stadium.kroneke isnt even talking to the city of st louis,yep thats sure leverage for a new stadium alright.:lmao:

that troll always has to LIE when he is cornered and proven wrong.

now back to the topic of the RAIDERS.LA is not an option for them,san antonio might be,if they move anywhere,it would be SA.


adding on to this post taking you to school here Toto that nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams and you having egg on your face is the year the Raiders won the superbowl out there in LA,the very next year for their home opener,they only drew a crowd of just 46,269.

What was the crowd numbers for the Rams that same year for their home opener? 65,403. pretty impressive since that dump in Anaheim stadium they played in was a baseball stadium and many attending were standing room only because it was only a 62,000 seating capacity.

The OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA,but nobody cared.:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::haha:

Plus Dan Dierdorf said a couple of months ago that in his entire career as a broadcaster for monday night football games from 1987 to 1994, the NFL never once had the Raiders play a home game because of the fact they never drew well out there in LA and had a half empty stadium all the time so all their monday night games were always televised on the road.:haha:

Meanwhile the Rams on the other hand,had MANY home games in LA televised throughout the 70's and 80's.


so lets see here.The Rams who have led in all polls both locally in LA and around the country from the LA TIMES polls and in a ESPN poll,consistantly show the majority have voted in favor of the Rams over the Raiders, The Rams had a sold out crowd capacity of 65,403 for their home opener the year the Raiders won their superbowl out there in LA,The Raiders on the other hand,even though they won the superbowl out there in LA the previous year,only drew a pitiful capacity crowd of 46,269 for THEIR home opener,never could get a home game televised in the 80's or 90's when they were there,and YOUR trying to tell us nobody outside st louis cares about the Rams and the NFL would be better with the RAIDERS in LA? comedy gold from you as always:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::rofl::rolleyes-41:


of course,thats not one bit at all surprising hearing that from you since like USMB's resident troll rightwinger,you have never been one who has ever wanted to bother with pesky little facts.:rofl:


oh and the proof is in the pudding as well that the raiders were never embraced in LA like they were in Oakland.you can see from watching it,footage of a game played in oakland in the 70's and that stadium is packed sold out,then they show footage of a game played in LA and that place is half empty against their division rival the denver broncos no less.:biggrin:

PLUS you hear that oakland raider fan in that video there who traveled to games out there in LA saying unlike games played in oakland,the one difference he noticed of games played in LA was he had no problems getting tickets to games out there.lol



it was the OAKLAND fans that went out there and supported them for the most part when they were in LA.If they left them again,they would not support them again.i know many oakland fans who have said they would not go out there and support them again. ticket prices would be too high for them. and the people with deep pockets out there in LA,they wont support them either because they dont want the Raiders.

It was only the thugs that embraced them for the most part out there and they cant afford the ticket prices.:biggrin:

also you are forgetting that was WHY Al Davis moved the team back to Oakland was because he realised that was the biggest mistake he ever made was moving them out there because of the lack of fan support.

Matter of fact he even hinted he wanted to move them back to oakland after he had been out there for just a couple years saying just five years later or so that he really missed having the Raiders in oakland missing the loud roar of the crowds they had there in the bay area.

You wont find any Raider fans around the country and especially in LA passionate about the Raiders like they are in the bay area.

LA football fans have passion for ONLY THE RAMS.nobody else.they are passionate about their Rams the same way Oakland fans are about the Raiders.

I agree the passion is in Oakland.


as you can see from all the statistics i posted,.nobody in LA cared when the raiders won a superbowl out there the fact that the majority of the stadium was empty for their home opener the next year and someone here thinks the RAIDERS should go to LA over the Rams? comedy gold.:rofl:

the OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA,but nobody in LA cared.:lmao:

did you notice how i debunked it as well that nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams? lol.

Yeah nobody outside of st louis cares,thats why LA TIMES polls AS WELL AS nationwide polls conducted by ESPN showed that the Rams consistantly came in first with the Raiders always in second place far behind in second because nobody outside of st louis cares about the Rams going back to LA.:lmao::lmao::haha::rofl::rofl:

its actually just the opposite,nobody IN ST LOUIS cares about the Rams where outside of st louis,everyone around the country wants them back in LA.:biggrin:

I agree the only ones that care about the Raiders are in Oakland.


yeah nobody in LA cared when the OAKLAND Raiders won a superbowl out there where in OAKLAND,the fans are so passionate about their team there that every one of their home games last year was sold out despite the fact they have had 13 consecutive losing seasons there.that is quite a devoted and passionate fanbase in the bay area.

If LA never supported the Raiders out there even when they won a superbowl,just think how empty that stadium would have been out there last year going into week 12 and not having won even ONE game?:biggrin:

Oakland proved they have very passionate devoted sports fans when the Warriors won the NBA championship.thousands lined the streets for the victory celebration they had.

can you imagine what the turnout would be for the Raiders in that city if the Raiders won a superbowl? It would be even bigger because the Raiders are the most popular sports team of the three teams in Oakland plus football is much bigger than basketball and baseball.

the oakland fans sell out all their football games each year despite having 13 consecutive losing seasons.If they won a superbowl out there in oakland,you sure as hell would not find a stadium for their home opener the next year 75% empty.:biggrin:

That was why Al Davis moved the Raiders back to oakland in the first place was because of how horrible the fan support was out there in LA with it being mostly thugs that embraced them out there.:biggrin:

That is the whole reason to be a fan if you are not passionate about your team then go watch golf.
 
I don't think some of these owners realize Just how attached fans are to their teams. The Raiders belong in California, not Texas. That is where their heart it.

Not JUST in california though Irish Ram,they belong in Oakland.Not LA,not san antonio,OAKLAND. When the Raiders moved away to LA, they might as well have moved to Alaska as far as many Oakland residents were concerned.

when they left Oakland,they werent the Raiders anymore.they were the Raiders in NAME ONLY because their identity is OAKLAND. the name Raiders and Oakland go hand in hand together,they go hand in hand together like peanut butter and jelly.a teams identity is their city.thats what makes them who their team name is.

I am not even a Raiders fan but when they moved back to Oakland,I was happy about that because that is where they belong.that is their home.Everytime i heard the name LOS ANGELES Raiders it was like :wtf: It sounded like an arena football team or something.

sadly the NFL is run by greed.we have all these selfish greedy owners who put their own personal interests ahead of the fans that support them.the NFL is a joke.if the Raiders were allowed to leave again,the NFL would be an even far greater of a joke than it already is.

I will be done with the NFL and turn to college football and watch UCLA football games weekly if the Raiders are allowed to leave AGAIN..at least you know college teams are never going to leave their cities.

I am getting so sick of all these greedy selfish owners giving their fans the middle finger and being allowed to move anytime they want just because they dont get what they want.

The Rams belong in LA and the Raiders belong in Oakland.

Like I said,the Raiders belong in OAKLAND.Not LA,not san antonio,OAKLAND.period.
 
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Having read everything carefully, I conclude

(1) angelenos would overwhelmingly take the Rams back many times over before the Raiders

(2) would embrace a Chargers and Raiders LA occupancy over the Raiders

(3) San Antonio, business and fans alike, would welcome the Raiders with widespread arms and hearts.
 
Having read everything carefully, I conclude

(1) angelenos would overwhelmingly take the Rams back many times over before the Raiders

(2) would embrace a Chargers and Raiders LA occupancy over the Raiders

(3) San Antonio, business and fans alike, would welcome the Raiders with widespread arms and hearts.

I agree with everything you posted ESPECIALLY with post # 1 obviously.:up:

I have backed that up with statistics on this thread.

The only point I disagree with you on though is point # 2 and that is because there are no Charger fans in LA.

as much as I love the Chargers,I cant ignore the facts that there are far more Raider fans in LA than Charger fans. The Raiders have a limited fanbase in LA where the Chargers have ZERO fans in LA.

Matter of fact if you watch some of the Raider and Chargers games played in san diego over the years,its pretty much a home game for the Raiders.

Many of the Charger fans have said over the years in playing games against the Raiders in SD,that it always feels like a road game for them being played in Oakland.lol

Local polls and nationwide polls around the country back up your first point that not just angelenos want the Rams back in LA over the Raiders but the entire country does as well.

In all the LA times polls that have been conducted of what team they would want to see the most come back to LA between the Raiders,Chargers,and Rams,the majority voted in favor for the Rams everytime.

Local polls in LA conducted had the Rams coming in first each time having 65% of the votes,the Raiders second each time with 30% of the votes,and the chargers dead last with 5% of the votes.

The Rams have a strong passionate fanbase in LA that badly want them back so you nailed it in point # 1. :thup:

The Raiders have a fanbase in LA as well but it is very limited.It consists mostly of thugs.the majority of fans that embraced them in LA were mostly thugs,thats why they will never be allowed by the city to come back to LA.

The Chargers? they have no fans in LA whatsoever.
The NFL'S return to LA will be successful if it is ONLY THE RAMS.these idiots in the NFL just dont get it that LA wont support two teams like new york does.

when the Raiders were in LA,that hurt the Rams fanbase. The NFL is a bunch of hypocrites,they say they want to make sure and get it right when bringing a team back to LA.yet they will have royally screwed it up if they bring TWO teams to LA.thats not getting it right,thats fucking it up.:rolleyes:

It should be the Rams and the RAMS ONLY.the Rams belong in LA,chargers in san diego and MOST importantly RAIDERS belong in OAKLAND.
 
So long, Snake... whether you liked or loathed the Oakland Raiders, you had to admit that Ken Stabler was the embodiment of cool... he played hard and he partied hard... the quintessential leader of the classic 1970's Silver and Black... RIP 1945-2015
(In this picture, the Snake led the defending Super Bowl champion Raiders to face the Rams in the Coliseum on December 4, 1977)

ahh the good old days.thats the way it should have ALWAYS been.LOS ANGELES Rams vs OAKLAND Raiders.

the key word in that paragraph being "OAKLAND" Raiders.:thup:
 
San Antonio will happily embrace the dysfunctional Raiders as its own.

They would take the Athletics as well.
 
San Antonio will happily embrace the dysfunctional Raiders as its own.

They would take the Athletics as well.


yeah you're probably right.SA would at least embrace the Raiders unlike LA.

The A'S if they move,will at LEAST be close to them in san jose.thats where we keep hearing if they leave,thats where it will be so they would at least still stay in california.

I would not like that if they left.the bay area is the identity of both the A'S and Raiders. If the warriors left,I could live with that because they at least would still be in the bay area.

Dont care about basketball so i really dont care if they leave but it would be stupid if they did. the 49ers are already finding out how stupid it was for them to leave the bay are,they are the san francisco 49ers in name only now playing in santa clara.

the 49ers are now discovering how stupid it was for them to leave the bay area because up in santa clara where they play now,most the fans that attend those games are business suites who are not passionate about the team.

they are like the Raider fans in LA were.the crowds in LA never got loud and vocal about the Raiders.that was why Davis moved them back to Oakland because he mentioned after being in LA for a few years,he missed the loud roar of the crowds that were in Oakland.there was never a home field advantage for the Raiders in LA the fact nobody in LA cared about the Raiders.

The 49er fans that supported them in san fran,had passion for their team and supported them well.Up in santa clara,they dont have passionate loud fans there.

they are business suits who leave after halftime and never come back to the game until the middle of the 4th quarter because they are too busy doing their own business deals on cell phones and dont care about the game.

I think the Raiders would do well in the beginning in san antonio with fans ready to embrace them there but if they had 13 consecutive losing seasons out there like they have had the last 13 years,i seriously doubt they would be loyal to them and sell out all their home games like they did in oakland last year.oakland has the most loyal fans in the world.

I will have had it with baseball and football if Oakland ever loses the Raiders OR the A'S.their identity is in oakland.
 
San Antone investors would not hesitate to spend money.
 
Listened to fred roggins radio show in LA the other day in anybody who STILL thinks the Raiders are going back to LA after all this time is an idiot.:biggrin:

He said on the show what i have been saying since day one this-Yes LA has great fans that are Raider fans here in LA and there are a very good portion of them here ,but they wont get any sponsorship from the corporations or businesses here..The corporations that would put up the money to sponsor them wont do that,they would have to change their colors and rebrand the image entirely.It didnt work out here before when they were here so why would it now?:biggrin:
 
They will become the San Antonio Raiders of Dallas in two years.
 
Im not so sure about that.Roggin also said on the the show that even though Davis has said he doesnt want to share Levi stadium with the 49ers,just because he doesnt WANT to share with them,doesnt mean he wont have to do so.He said that the NFL may tell him if you cant get something done in oakland,then share Levi Stadium with the 49ers.

Remember,that was what the NFL wanted Davis to do in the first place but he said he doesnt want to do that.But just because he doesnt want to,doesnt mean he wont.

He may have no choice in the end.I think the NFL doesnt want to lose that bay area rivalry and seeing how things are not getting done in oakland,the NFL would rather have them sharing Levi stadium than seeing them move again because the NFL will have become a circus with them moving again.

also Davis is not like his father Al.Who had the money,power and influence to sue the NFL to move to LA.If the NFL does not give Davis the votes to move which i doubt they will,then Davis will have no choice other than to share Levi stadium with the niners because he doesnt have the power,influence,or money like his father did to sue the NFL for a long winded court battle in court.He is poor as far as owners go.
 
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