Zone1 Losing Fear of the Lord

[Meriweather]

Besides, I could not subscribe to any religion that uses fear to keep their believers in line.

I mentioned earlier about 'fear' also spreading into 'awe'. How much fear is there over what is good. Sometimes it seems we have more fear of doing what is good than doing what is easiest.

 

[1srelluc]

I mentioned earlier about 'fear' also spreading into 'awe'. How much fear is there over what is good. Sometimes it seems we have more fear of doing what is good than doing what is easiest.

 

[DGS49]

In my view, "fear of the Lord" is accepting the axiom that actions have consequences, though not always obvious consequences. People with character have fear of the Lord, regardless of their belief system, if any.

 

[BreezeWood]

In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

desert dwellers use fear in their religions for many reasons non of which are heavenly ...

the liar moses as an example and those that promote their false commandments used to persecute and victimize the innocent.

- using the heavens as a diversion to better themselves as the televangelist their use of the religious fears to reward themselves.

 

[Meriweather]

In my view, "fear of the Lord" is accepting the axiom that actions have consequences, though not always obvious consequences. People with character have fear of the Lord, regardless of their belief system, if any.

Yes. I was also contemplating consequences our actions today will have on future generations.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yeah, Jim Bakker was sorry he got caught, he wasn't sorry he did it.

The problem with the God-Botherers is that you can always convince yourself that your imaginary sky friend is okay with what you are doing, whether it be embezzling the life savings of old ladies, or launching a crusade against people who believe differently than you do.

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Come on, do you think Bakker thought what he was doing wrong at any point before the Feds slapped the cuffs on him? He didn't lose his fear or the Lord, he thought the lord wanted his dog to have an air-conditioned doghouse.

The power of AMerican Christians to self deceive could power a rocket to mars.
They can rationalise anything to fit with their "beliefs"
I think that is why they are failing.

 

[Woodznutz]

Fear of the Lord is the same fear that children have of their parents. A healthy and necessary fear.

 

[Donald H]

Yes. I was also contemplating consequences our actions today will have on future generations.

There are also people of character who don't believe there is any lord. We've just finished establishing that is true.

Examples: Those who have never even heard of your god. There's no reason why anybody could suggest that those people aren't of the very highest character. Or for that matter, of the very lowest of character.

Although I would challenge anybody to prove the former while I will attempt to prove the latter.

Does the challenge interest you my friend?

Fear of the Lord is the same fear that children have of their parents. A healthy and necessary fear.

NO! Children shouldn't fear their parents!

Children should have a healthy respect for their parents ideals, but only if the parents are worthy of respect.

Some parents are not and so the children are sometimes rescued by social programs!

 

[ding]

In the book of Proverbs the fear of the Lord is a continual submission to God in humility and faith (Prov. 23:17) and consists of a hatred of evil and the desire to turn away from it (Prov. 8:13; 16:6).

In Catholic thought “fear of the Lord” means awe or profound respect. It does not mean literal fear of God's power but an awe and respect for the absolute majesty of God. We should “fear” offending God not because of his just punishment but because he is all good and deserving of our love.

 

[Crepitus]

That is on you to prove.

Nope.

You want me to believe?

Give me some concrete evidence.

 

[Meriweather]

You want me to believe?

Not on your terms, no.

 

[Crepitus]

Not on your terms, no.

Cool.

So you want me to believe on some else's terms.

 

[ding]

Give me some concrete evidence.

The universe popping into existence, not being created from existing matter, in an improbable manner, life making the leap from inanimate matter in an improbable fashion, the laws of nature existing before space and time, matter being fine tuned for life, the laws of nature predestining intelligence to arise and Jesus Christ.

But I already know that there is no evidence that you will accept and that the purpose of your question is your mental masturbation.

 

[ding]

drop mic

 

[BreezeWood]

Cool.

So you want me to believe on some else's terms.

minimum requirement, belief in the false commandments of the liar moses, hereditary idolatry of abraham ... and the crucifiers version of jesus.

 

[Crepitus]

drop mic

Better pick it back up, the bullshit is getting deep in here.

 

[Crepitus]

In Catholic thought “fear of the Lord” means awe or profound respect.

The word "fear" is pretty clearly defined, and that isn't it's definition.

 

[ding]

Better pick it back up, the bullshit is getting deep in here.

Thank you for proving my point that there is no evidence you will accept. Keep stroking it, bro.

 

[hjmick]

People with character have fear of the Lord

People of character do not require fear of "the LORD" or fear of GOD or the fear of eternal suffering to do what's right. It seems to me that, if it is fear of any of those things that drives people "do right," then perhaps they're not as "good" as they think they are...

 

[ding]

The word "fear" is pretty clearly defined, and that isn't it's definition.

I wouldn't expect a militant atheists such as yourself to understand.