Leo123
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Nice pivot, trying to derail by talking about the Internet....
Looks Like the Trump Admin is Bringing Dark Secrets to The Light
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flacaltenn
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Russia Russia Russia was a BRUTAL 18 month conspiracy theory.. Fueled by "leaks" of UNNAMED high sources and fake news and scandals that never were.. The Flynn case is clear prosecutorial abuse and maybe eventually miscarraige of justice.. HOW REAL IS IT??
The DAY BEFORE Comey, McCabe, Strzok et al AMBUSHED Flynn at the WH and took advantage of the chaos in the FIRST DAYS of a new Admin -- we got this in the WashPo...
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
The FBI’s counterintelligence agents listen to calls all the time that do not pertain to any open investigation, current and former law enforcement officials said. Often, said one former official, “they’re just monitoring the other [foreign official] side of the call.”
Both Flynn, a former head of the Pentagon’s intelligence agency, and Kislyak, a seasoned diplomat, are probably aware that Kislyak’s phone calls and texts are being monitored, current and former officials said. That would make it highly unlikely, the individuals said, that the men would allow their calls to be conduits of illegal coordination.
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Is it a bit strange that "un-named" sources tell the WashPo the day before the ambush that there is NO ACTIVE investigation on Flynn? That he's "been cleared" by a THOROUGH FBI investigation?? That Flynn has NOTHING to worry about??
I do...
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"The DAY BEFORE Comey, McCabe, Strzok et al AMBUSHED Flynn at the WH and took advantage of the chaos in the FIRST DAYS of a new Admin "
LOLOL
By "ambushed," you mean asking him if he wouldn't mind answering a few questions?
Or do you mean by forcing him to lie to them when he agreed to answer their questions?
Unnamed sources are only as good as...unnamed sources. What "US Officials?" Around that time frame Trump was also pressuring Comey to stop investigating Flynn and stating that Flynn had done nothing wrong. Who was saying there was no investigation? Who was saying he had been cleared?
Why did Flynn lie?
Leo123
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Thanks for posting that.
It was part of the larger conversation. I'm sorry you are unable to follow anything beyond talking points.
flacaltenn
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He did not lie.. The original 302 notes show that. And in fact, he joked with McCabe when the meeting was set up -- "asking him if he needed a lawyer"....
The rest is recorded in documents submitted to the court...
Mr. McCabe’s account states: “I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [General Flynn] and the agents only. I further stated
that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House Counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [General Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants.”
Less than two hours later, at 2:15 p.m., FBI Deputy Assistant Director Peter Strzok and a second FBI agent arrived at the White House to interview General Flynn. By the agents’
account, General Flynn was “relaxed and jocular” and offered to give the agents “a little tour” of the area around his West Wing office. The agents did not provide General Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement under 18 U.S.C. § 1001 before, during, or after the interview. Prior to the FBI’s interview of General Flynn, Mr. McCabe and other FBI officials “decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed, and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport,” one of the agents reported. Before the interview, FBI officials had also decided that, if “Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used, . . . to try to refresh his recollection. If Flynn still would not confirm what he said, . . . they would not confront him or talk him through it.” One of the agents reported that General Flynn was “unguarded” during the interview and “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.”
Leo123
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Trump was 100% correct. Actually Comey was the one doing wrong. Funny how Trump knew this early on but, the FBI bullshitted him. Why did Comey and the FBI lie to the FISA court? The dossier was never verified because verification does not rely on 2nd and 3rd hand hearsay.
flacaltenn
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Wanna contrast that with Hillary's deposition in a ROOM FULL of lawyers and several "co-defendents" ALSO present? No y'all dont...
Leo123
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No...YOU are the one that brought up the media and internet. It was a good tactic and I followed you down your rabbit hole however, it is still not on topic and nothing but an obfuscation.
flacaltenn
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Average "russian ad" was about 35 rubles and got less than a dozen clicks. What's that in American currency???
Exactly...and the claims of entrapment are iffy too. No one is willing to discuss the actual legal aspects here.
Another set of documents filed Thursday revealed the code name the FBI gave to a 2016 investigation into Flynn’s possible ties to Russia. That case, Crossfire Razor, was shutting down just as the FBI took a renewed interest in Flynn while Trump was preparing to take office, the documents show.
“These notes raise questions about the investigation, and it is not surprising that Flynn’s defense team is pressing the defense of entrapment,” said Robert Mintz, a former federal prosecutor now in private practice. “But entrapment is a high bar. It is not enough simply to show that government agencies solicited a criminal act from a defendant. The critical issue for the defense is proving that investigators induced the defendant to engage in criminal conduct that the defendant would not otherwise have committed.”
“In order to succeed here,” Mintz continued, “the defense will have to prove not merely that the FBI anticipated that Flynn might lie during the interview, but that the FBI encouraged him to lie and induced him to commit a crime that he otherwise would not have committed.”
Chuck Rosenberg, a former U.S. attorney who also served as Comey’s chief of staff, said the notes do not make a case for entrapment.
“It is not a close call,” said Rosenberg. “In this situation, Flynn had three options: tell the truth, lie or refuse to talk. The FBI did not plant a lie, urge him to repeat the lie, record him in the lie, and then prosecute him for lying. That might be entrapment. Here, Flynn was predisposed to lie, chose to talk, and then lied. That’s not entrapment.”
Rosenberg called Priestap “a thoughtful and careful agent, and if you read the entire page of notes and put it in context, you can see that he is trying to be fair.”
And?
Faun
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Utter nonsense. Of course Flynn lied. He flat out denied asking Kislyak to "refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia." Unbeknownst to Flynn, they had a intercepted a conversation where Flynn asked that of Kislyak.
Who the **** knows how you can deny he lied?
Shit, even Flynn didn't deny it.
Judge rejects Michael Flynn's claims of FBI misconduct
Rejecting assertions that former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was wrongly pressured by the FBI into pleading guilty to charges of making false statements to investigators, a federal judge on Monday set Flynn's sentencing next month, ruling that Flynn was not entrapped by the feds.
Supporters of Flynn have long pointed to statements in the interview summary made afterwards by agents - known as a 302 form - in which it was said Flynn did not seem to be lying.
But the Judge said a review of the evidence shows Flynn did lie - repeatedly.
"The Court therefore finds that the notes, draft FD-302s, and final FD-302 provide ample support that Mr. Flynn made false statements to the FBI about his communications with the Russian Ambassador," Sullivan ruled.
The Judge also rebuked Flynn's lawyers.
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You keep choosing to ignore the fact I answered your question straight up. Then I just asked you to do the same.
I said yes. I used comey quotes to illustrate.
You are still doing this deflection shit.
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Aga
Again you are the one who kerps dragging Trump into this.
Funny, in a totally pathetic sort of way.
Again you are the one who kerps dragging Trump into this.
Funny, in a totally pathetic sort of way.
You know what asshole - this is a thread a with a hell of a lot of posts and replies. If I missed, I apologize.
Yes. Flynn is being treated differently - unlike other's in similar circumstances - you demand that Flynn should have been told everything the FBI suspected, told to bring his notes, told he should bring a lawyer (even though he wasn't under arrest) and wow...I mean why question him at all? Did the Enron people get all that special treatment?
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Judge rejects Michael Flynn's claims of FBI misconduct
Rejecting assertions that former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was wrongly pressured by the FBI into pleading guilty to charges of making false statements to investigators, a federal judge on Monday set Flynn's sentencing next month, ruling that Flynn was not entrapped by the feds.www.journal-news.com
Supporters of Flynn have long pointed to statements in the interview summary made afterwards by agents - known as a 302 form - in which it was said Flynn did not seem to be lying.
But the Judge said a review of the evidence shows Flynn did lie - repeatedly.
"The Court therefore finds that the notes, draft FD-302s, and final FD-302 provide ample support that Mr. Flynn made false statements to the FBI about his communications with the Russian Ambassador," Sullivan ruled.
The Judge also rebuked Flynn's lawyers.
Judge rejects Michael Flynn's claims of FBI misconduct
Rejecting assertions that former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was wrongly pressured by the FBI into pleading guilty to charges of making false statements to investigators, a federal judge on Monday set Flynn's sentencing next month, ruling that Flynn was not entrapped by the feds.
Supporters of Flynn have long pointed to statements in the interview summary made afterwards by agents - known as a 302 form - in which it was said Flynn did not seem to be lying.
But the Judge said a review of the evidence shows Flynn did lie - repeatedly.
"The Court therefore finds that the notes, draft FD-302s, and final FD-302 provide ample support that Mr. Flynn made false statements to the FBI about his communications with the Russian Ambassador," Sullivan ruled.
The Judge also rebuked Flynn's lawyers.
Your article is from Dec 2019. Are you not up on current events and Flynn's new lawyer Sydney Powell and all her evidence? Like I said, you may be voluntarily ignorant.
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