Looks like Americans need to learn about Trump the hard way

In a second Trump presidency, expect a scorched earth approach that could fundamentally reshape America and the world for the worse. "America First" will mean isolationism that abandons allies, fuels economic volatility, and drains American power abroad. Massive deportations won’t just disrupt millions of lives; they’ll dismantle industries, fracture communities, and create a humanitarian disaster that will tarnish the U.S. globally. Trump’s soft stance on Russia will only embolden Putin, with Trump likely abandoning Ukraine to destruction and threatening European security. A domino effect could follow -- China eyeing Taiwan, emboldened by America’s retreat, (and they are eying Okinawa islands, as well ) seizing control of the semiconductor industry and holding the U.S. at technological gunpoint.

Most nations have had to endure a demagogue to learn -- often through unbearable hardship -- the brutal consequences of unchecked power and the empty allure of populist rhetoric. Germany had Hitler, who promised national pride and left his country in ruins. Italy’s Mussolini sold visions of empire that led to disaster. Argentina saw Perón, who polarized the nation and left it grappling with his divisive legacy. Spain endured Franco’s authoritarian grip, Venezuela Chávez’s ruinous policies. And in Russia, under Stalin, democracy never stood a chance; his totalitarian control meant that the people had no opportunity to reject his tyranny at the ballot box.

Now, America too seems determined to learn the hard way about the dark force of demagoguery. Some might say, “But Trump’s first term didn’t bring the sky down.” What they overlook is that the first time, he was held in check by seasoned figures -- McMaster, Kelly, Milley, Bolton, Barr, et. al., -- the “adults in the room” who served as guardrails. This time, they’re gone. Trump will fill his ranks with sycophants, loyalists without the spine to question or halt his impulses. He’ll have nothing but yes-men willing to serve him without question and he will pepper his cabinet ranks with his oligarch buddies who will 'deconstruct the administrative state'. like termites enjoy a feast. The polluter corporations will love this, as they destroy our climate, our air, our rivers and lakes and precious soil. Expect rampant corruption and transactionalism. With his newfound belief in “absolute immunity,” he’ll feel emboldened to act without limits, trying things he never dared before. And with those private calls to Putin, he’ll have a seasoned mentor to guide him through “Dictator 101” lessons.

So yes, history repeats itself, and we seem condemned to follow it. Like Germany, Argentina, Spain, and so many others, America might face devastation and finally come to understand the full cost of demagoguery, what it's like to live under autocratic rule. I don't expect we'll become a full fledged dictatorship, but let's be clear, Trump will try and exploit any and every weakness that exists in our system that he can get away with, where the framers assumed the president would be a man who would act in good faith. Man, how wrong they were! And maybe, if we’re lucky, we’ll survive the wreckage, inoculated and wiser for it -- if we can find our way free from his grip in time. So, you think this OP is partisan tripe? Time will most certainly tell. Let's see where we stand in a few years, and watch Dems regain control of the house in the next midterms, as by then, America will see, up close and personal. what this MAGA movement is really about.

  • "As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron." -- H.L. Mencken
No truer words could more perfectly describe the rise of Trump.

Now, repubs are going to gloat, and pontificate why Trump won. But, he pandered to the lowest instincts of Americans, he did what all demagogues do; blame our troubles on a group. Hitler did it with Jews, and Trump has done it with immigrants, totally ignoring the fact that the undocs commit far fewer crimes than American citizens, but facts don't matter to a demagogue, the only thing that matters is power, and the more, the merrier. Also, the second big tool he bludgeoned Biden/Harris with was inflation. But for the inflation, given that it's undecideds who decide close elections, Republicans did a good job of bamboozling the masses by blaming the inflation on Biden, never mind the fact that it was CARES act, $2 trillion fiat currency infusion (that was Trump) AND the ARP, another $2 Trillion by Biden, both were done because of the pandemic, and were necessary to prevent and economic collapse, this was the prime mover for the inflation, not to mention the inflation was world wide, and you can't blame Biden for a world wide inflation, but to tell the truth is not something Republicans can do. Also, I fault Biden and Harris for not making this point clear, and they sure as hell could have, and should have.

But for the inflation, I doubt Trump would have won the popular vote, most voted on economics more than any other factor. A lot more than any other factor. It totally obfuscated Biden's major legislative achievements, predominantly the infrastructure program. For the first time since Eisenhower we are rebuilding America, as there are some 60,000 infrastructure projects as we speak. Trump, in his four years as president, with both houses under his thumb, was unable to achieve it. Biden got it done bipartisan in his first 300 days. That totally dismantles the 'he's got dementia' argument. Yeah, you don't agree but I don't give a damn, really, I've heard it all and it's all partisan drivel. If anyone has dementia, it's Trump -- have you been paying attention to his speeches? He's losing it. I doubt he is going to last four years, to be honest.

Yeah, I know, some of you are going to give mindless snarky dumb AF one liners to this OP, and you will be ignored because, frankly, if you voted for Trump, you are not very wise. You've been conned, you've been trump humped. Note that intelligence and wisdom, if they exist in the same human being, it is a coincidence, If you don't believe me, let's see where we stand during the midterms. Two years ought to reveal how Trump is going to ruin America.
What do you think so far? I don't like Trump but one thing I like ABOUT Trump is he doesn't care about the political fallout of his actions. Republican Senators and House members do, but Trump himself isn't worried about, for example, losing the next election if he breaks his promises. And he's broken just about all of them.

No other past President would get away with just bombing Iran. He didn't have to lie us into Iran like Bush lied us into Iraq. He just did it.

This all started when Congress gave Bush more power with the patriot act.

Now my question to myself is do I want to take power away from the next president or do I like it that our POTUS doesn't have his hands tied? I think I would like to take the power away. Make future presidents have to go through congress before they can do what Trump did.

But all the past presidents have considered bombing Iran. It is time to put them back in their place.

Next North Korea.
 
In a second Trump presidency, expect a scorched earth approach that could fundamentally reshape America and the world for the worse. "America First" will mean isolationism that abandons allies, fuels economic volatility, and drains American power abroad. Massive deportations won’t just disrupt millions of lives; they’ll dismantle industries, fracture communities, and create a humanitarian disaster that will tarnish the U.S. globally. Trump’s soft stance on Russia will only embolden Putin, with Trump likely abandoning Ukraine to destruction and threatening European security. A domino effect could follow -- China eyeing Taiwan, emboldened by America’s retreat, (and they are eying Okinawa islands, as well ) seizing control of the semiconductor industry and holding the U.S. at technological gunpoint.

Most nations have had to endure a demagogue to learn -- often through unbearable hardship -- the brutal consequences of unchecked power and the empty allure of populist rhetoric. Germany had Hitler, who promised national pride and left his country in ruins. Italy’s Mussolini sold visions of empire that led to disaster. Argentina saw Perón, who polarized the nation and left it grappling with his divisive legacy. Spain endured Franco’s authoritarian grip, Venezuela Chávez’s ruinous policies. And in Russia, under Stalin, democracy never stood a chance; his totalitarian control meant that the people had no opportunity to reject his tyranny at the ballot box.

Now, America too seems determined to learn the hard way about the dark force of demagoguery. Some might say, “But Trump’s first term didn’t bring the sky down.” What they overlook is that the first time, he was held in check by seasoned figures -- McMaster, Kelly, Milley, Bolton, Barr, et. al., -- the “adults in the room” who served as guardrails. This time, they’re gone. Trump will fill his ranks with sycophants, loyalists without the spine to question or halt his impulses. He’ll have nothing but yes-men willing to serve him without question and he will pepper his cabinet ranks with his oligarch buddies who will 'deconstruct the administrative state'. like termites enjoy a feast. The polluter corporations will love this, as they destroy our climate, our air, our rivers and lakes and precious soil. Expect rampant corruption and transactionalism. With his newfound belief in “absolute immunity,” he’ll feel emboldened to act without limits, trying things he never dared before. And with those private calls to Putin, he’ll have a seasoned mentor to guide him through “Dictator 101” lessons.

So yes, history repeats itself, and we seem condemned to follow it. Like Germany, Argentina, Spain, and so many others, America might face devastation and finally come to understand the full cost of demagoguery, what it's like to live under autocratic rule. I don't expect we'll become a full fledged dictatorship, but let's be clear, Trump will try and exploit any and every weakness that exists in our system that he can get away with, where the framers assumed the president would be a man who would act in good faith. Man, how wrong they were! And maybe, if we’re lucky, we’ll survive the wreckage, inoculated and wiser for it -- if we can find our way free from his grip in time. So, you think this OP is partisan tripe? Time will most certainly tell. Let's see where we stand in a few years, and watch Dems regain control of the house in the next midterms, as by then, America will see, up close and personal. what this MAGA movement is really about.

  • "As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron." -- H.L. Mencken
No truer words could more perfectly describe the rise of Trump.

Now, repubs are going to gloat, and pontificate why Trump won. But, he pandered to the lowest instincts of Americans, he did what all demagogues do; blame our troubles on a group. Hitler did it with Jews, and Trump has done it with immigrants, totally ignoring the fact that the undocs commit far fewer crimes than American citizens, but facts don't matter to a demagogue, the only thing that matters is power, and the more, the merrier. Also, the second big tool he bludgeoned Biden/Harris with was inflation. But for the inflation, given that it's undecideds who decide close elections, Republicans did a good job of bamboozling the masses by blaming the inflation on Biden, never mind the fact that it was CARES act, $2 trillion fiat currency infusion (that was Trump) AND the ARP, another $2 Trillion by Biden, both were done because of the pandemic, and were necessary to prevent and economic collapse, this was the prime mover for the inflation, not to mention the inflation was world wide, and you can't blame Biden for a world wide inflation, but to tell the truth is not something Republicans can do. Also, I fault Biden and Harris for not making this point clear, and they sure as hell could have, and should have.

But for the inflation, I doubt Trump would have won the popular vote, most voted on economics more than any other factor. A lot more than any other factor. It totally obfuscated Biden's major legislative achievements, predominantly the infrastructure program. For the first time since Eisenhower we are rebuilding America, as there are some 60,000 infrastructure projects as we speak. Trump, in his four years as president, with both houses under his thumb, was unable to achieve it. Biden got it done bipartisan in his first 300 days. That totally dismantles the 'he's got dementia' argument. Yeah, you don't agree but I don't give a damn, really, I've heard it all and it's all partisan drivel. If anyone has dementia, it's Trump -- have you been paying attention to his speeches? He's losing it. I doubt he is going to last four years, to be honest.

Yeah, I know, some of you are going to give mindless snarky dumb AF one liners to this OP, and you will be ignored because, frankly, if you voted for Trump, you are not very wise. You've been conned, you've been trump humped. Note that intelligence and wisdom, if they exist in the same human being, it is a coincidence, If you don't believe me, let's see where we stand during the midterms. Two years ought to reveal how Trump is going to ruin America.


“All of them” — the OP
 
What do you think so far? I don't like Trump but one thing I like ABOUT Trump is he doesn't care about the political fallout of his actions. Republican Senators and House members do, but Trump himself isn't worried about, for example, losing the next election if he breaks his promises. And he's broken just about all of them.

No other past President would get away with just bombing Iran. He didn't have to lie us into Iran like Bush lied us into Iraq. He just did it.

This all started when Congress gave Bush more power with the patriot act.

Now my question to myself is do I want to take power away from the next president or do I like it that our POTUS doesn't have his hands tied? I think I would like to take the power away. Make future presidents have to go through congress before they can do what Trump did.

But all the past presidents have considered bombing Iran. It is time to put them back in their place.

Next North Korea.
the funny thing is is that every other president has done what trump did in Iran. everyone. but now, the TDS group are outraged. yet obammy dropped something around 72,000 bombs without congressional authority. so what is it you need for a next president that has been around since 1973?
 
the funny thing is is that every other president has done what trump did in Iran. everyone. but now, the TDS group are outraged. yet obammy dropped something around 72,000 bombs without congressional authority. so what is it you need for a next president that has been around since 1973?

It's fun to watch The View. I hate anyone who's more liberal than me. I don't mind if you are more conservative than me. That's fine. Not too much. Then you are either a rich asshole or idiot.

But I HATE people who are more liberal than me. When I talk to them and they go even too far for me? **** those people. I get their points, to a degree. But god damn. Women should have to swim against trannies?
 
It's fun to watch The View. I hate anyone who's more liberal than me. I don't mind if you are more conservative than me. That's fine. Not too much. Then you are either a rich asshole or idiot.

But I HATE people who are more liberal than me. When I talk to them and they go even too far for me? **** those people. I get their points, to a degree. But god damn. Women should have to swim against trannies?
I don't disagree with any of that. I hate too conservative.
 
I don't disagree with any of that. I hate too conservative.
It just dawned on me. I'm to you what I said I hate. I hate anyone more liberal than me. Now I see why you hate me. LOL. I mean politically. Not actual hate. Thanks JC.

You know this is all for fun for me right? Like I would love to tell my conservative neighbors what idiots they are but I see my friends and neighbors who talk politics and NO THANKS.

The only people I talk politics to in real life are people I know are liberals. Or close families. But I don't argue. I just come here after I talk to them. LOL I LOVE USMB!
 
He didn't have to lie us into Iran like Bush lied us into Iraq. He just did it.
Bush did not lie the USA into Iran. You mean that General Colin Powell told the world that Saddam was loaded with WMD. Powell was correct when he said it and Saddam got rid of it shipping it next door to Syria where they stored it.

War On Terror: As the regime of Bashar Assad disintegrates, the security of his chemical arsenal is in jeopardy. The No. 2 general in Saddam Hussein's air force says they were the WMDs we didn't find in Iraq.

King Abdullah of neighboring Jordan warned that a disintegrating Syria on the verge of civil war puts Syria's stockpile of chemical weapons at risk of falling into the hands of al-Qaida.

"One of the worst-case scenarios as we are obviously trying to look for a political solution would be if some of those chemical stockpiles were to fall into unfriendly hands," he said.

The irony here is that the chemical weapons stockpile of Syrian thug Assad may in large part be the legacy of weapons moved from Hussein's Iraq into Syria before Operation Iraqi Freedom.

If so, this may be the reason not much was found in the way of WMD by victorious U.S. forces in 2003.

In 2006, former Iraqi general Georges Sada, second in command of the Iraqi Air Force who served under Saddam Hussein before he defected, wrote a comprehensive book, "Saddam's Secrets."

It details how the Iraqi Revolutionary Guard moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria in advance of the U.S.-led action to eliminate Hussein's WMD threat.
 
It's fun to watch The View. I hate anyone who's more liberal than me. I don't mind if you are more conservative than me. That's fine. Not too much. Then you are either a rich asshole or idiot.

But I HATE people who are more liberal than me. When I talk to them and they go even too far for me? **** those people. I get their points, to a degree. But god damn. Women should have to swim against trannies?
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Go on hating.




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Bush did not lie the USA into Iran. You mean that General Colin Powell told the world that Saddam was loaded with WMD. Powell was correct when he said it and Saddam got rid of it shipping it next door to Syria where they stored it.

War On Terror: As the regime of Bashar Assad disintegrates, the security of his chemical arsenal is in jeopardy. The No. 2 general in Saddam Hussein's air force says they were the WMDs we didn't find in Iraq.

King Abdullah of neighboring Jordan warned that a disintegrating Syria on the verge of civil war puts Syria's stockpile of chemical weapons at risk of falling into the hands of al-Qaida.

"One of the worst-case scenarios as we are obviously trying to look for a political solution would be if some of those chemical stockpiles were to fall into unfriendly hands," he said.

The irony here is that the chemical weapons stockpile of Syrian thug Assad may in large part be the legacy of weapons moved from Hussein's Iraq into Syria before Operation Iraqi Freedom.

If so, this may be the reason not much was found in the way of WMD by victorious U.S. forces in 2003.

In 2006, former Iraqi general Georges Sada, second in command of the Iraqi Air Force who served under Saddam Hussein before he defected, wrote a comprehensive book, "Saddam's Secrets."

It details how the Iraqi Revolutionary Guard moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria in advance of the U.S.-led action to eliminate Hussein's WMD threat.
I don't even want to read the rest if you don't think Bush lied us into Iraq. You voted for a man who said he did. Said it in the primaries and you still voted for him. And he NEVER took that back.

We all know Bush lied us into Iraq. The ******* WORLD knows it. Only half of American Republicans don't. 1/4th of America. YOU. And then you talk about fake news. HA!
 
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Go on hating.




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Oh relax. Hate is too strong of a word. Aren't you a conservative? You know what I mean. They had a political pundit on yesterday. A guy who knows EVERYTHING about Iran. I forget the guys name but you'd know him if you saw him. Each woman had a question they could ask him. Joy Bayhart's question was such a liberal question, it even made me want to puke. LOL

I'm sorry, did you think I meant literally to puke? I didn't. Just like when I say I HATE people who are more liberal than me. Let's just say I have less respect for them.

Now why do I have less respect for them? Because they are usually broke and just making excuses why they are stuck in a shitty job that doesn't pay well. So they want "everyone" to make more money. Sorry babe, doesn't work that way.

And when I'm agreeing with them but show ANY empathy for the conservatives point of view, they can't see it. They disagree. Well I almost always see the conservatives point of view. I just tend to lean towards the liberals. The LABOR party. But Republicans are never 100% wrong. Even in Iraq and Iran. Those countries need to know their role. Just don't get us into another 20 year quagmire. Republicans tend to do that to us. At least in my lifetime. Bush 1, Bush 2 and now Trump. Three wars in my lifetime. Iraq, Iraq and now Iran.

Israel and Iran agree to ceasefire to bring end to '12 DAY WAR,' Trump says​


And does dummy think the war is over? Sound familiar?

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I don't even want to read the rest if you don't think Bush lied us into Iraq.
well, to be factually correct, the intelligence community lied to bush. Bush only relayed their information to Congress and they approved. Facts.
You voted for a man who said he did. Said it in the primaries and you still voted for him. And he NEVER took that back.

We all know Bush lied us into Iraq. The ******* WORLD knows it. Only half of American Republicans don't. 1/4th of America. YOU. And then you talk about fake news. HA!
well, to be factually correct, the intelligence community lied to bush. Bush only relayed their information to Congress and they approved. Facts.

And psst, Slick Willie said the same thing as Bush. Willie encouraged him to go to congress and get over there.
 
Oh relax. Hate is too strong of a word. Aren't you a conservative? You know what I mean. They had a political pundit on yesterday. A guy who knows EVERYTHING about Iran. I forget the guys name but you'd know him if you saw him. Each woman had a question they could ask him. Joy Bayhart's question was such a liberal question, it even made me want to puke. LOL

I'm sorry, did you think I meant literally to puke? I didn't. Just like when I say I HATE people who are more liberal than me. Let's just say I have less respect for them.

Now why do I have less respect for them? Because they are usually broke and just making excuses why they are stuck in a shitty job that doesn't pay well. So they want "everyone" to make more money. Sorry babe, doesn't work that way.

And when I'm agreeing with them but show ANY empathy for the conservatives point of view, they can't see it. They disagree. Well I almost always see the conservatives point of view. I just tend to lean towards the liberals. The LABOR party. But Republicans are never 100% wrong. Even in Iraq and Iran. Those countries need to know their role. Just don't get us into another 20 year quagmire. Republicans tend to do that to us. At least in my lifetime. Bush 1, Bush 2 and now Trump. Three wars in my lifetime. Iraq, Iraq and now Iran.

Israel and Iran agree to ceasefire to bring end to '12 DAY WAR,' Trump says​


And does dummy think the war is over? Sound familiar?

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Hating is probably what you need.




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What do you think so far? I don't like Trump but one thing I like ABOUT Trump is he doesn't care about the political fallout of his actions. Republican Senators and House members do, but Trump himself isn't worried about, for example, losing the next election if he breaks his promises. And he's broken just about all of them.

No other past President would get away with just bombing Iran. He didn't have to lie us into Iran like Bush lied us into Iraq. He just did it.

This all started when Congress gave Bush more power with the patriot act.

Now my question to myself is do I want to take power away from the next president or do I like it that our POTUS doesn't have his hands tied? I think I would like to take the power away. Make future presidents have to go through congress before they can do what Trump did.

But all the past presidents have considered bombing Iran. It is time to put them back in their place.

Next North Korea.
/——/ “No other past President would get away with just bombing Iran.”
Didn’t Obama and Bush bomb Iran? Why, yes they did you stupid little troll.
 
I don't even want to read the rest if you don't think Bush lied us into Iraq. You voted for a man who said he did. Said it in the primaries and you still voted for him. And he NEVER took that back.

We all know Bush lied us into Iraq. The ******* WORLD knows it. Only half of American Republicans don't. 1/4th of America. YOU. And then you talk about fake news. HA!

You of course know that we gave Iraq WMD'S when they were the enemy of our enemies.
We do that enemy of my enemy is my friend, way too often.
That's the most specific way that we knew.
 
We all know Bush lied us into Iraq. The ******* WORLD knows it
Colin Powell is who you mean to blame. Bush called Saddam a grave and gathering danger is all he said.

Here is what Bush said, and no lies are in his remarks.

 
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well, to be factually correct, the intelligence community lied to bush. Bush only relayed their information to Congress and they approved. Facts.

well, to be factually correct, the intelligence community lied to bush. Bush only relayed their information to Congress and they approved. Facts.

And psst, Slick Willie said the same thing as Bush. Willie encouraged him to go to congress and get over there.
Here's proof trump's lying to you. He said they totally obliterated Iran's nuclear capabilities. Set them back years. Now we're hearing they only set them back months. How much did that bombing cost the US Tax payers? Maybe we should have just done what Obama was doing. Cheaper and less deadly.

Trump says Iran's nuclear plans put back 'decades' by US strikes after report suggests impact limited​


  • Donald Trump insists Iran's nuclear programme has been set back "decades" by recent US military strikes, despite an intelligence report casting doubt on their success
  • The leaked assessment from the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency estimates the attacks at the weekend set Iran's nuclear programme back only "a few months"
  • But speaking at a Nato summit, Trump says the strikes caused a "total obliteration" of Iran's nuclear sites
  • Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth, sitting alongside Trump, says the leaked report is "preliminary" and "low confidence", and suggests a "political motive"
 
Here's proof trump's lying to you. He said they totally obliterated Iran's nuclear capabilities. Set them back years. Now we're hearing they only set them back months. How much did that bombing cost the US Tax payers? Maybe we should have just done what Obama was doing. Cheaper and less deadly.

Trump says Iran's nuclear plans put back 'decades' by US strikes after report suggests impact limited​


  • Donald Trump insists Iran's nuclear programme has been set back "decades" by recent US military strikes, despite an intelligence report casting doubt on their success
  • The leaked assessment from the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency estimates the attacks at the weekend set Iran's nuclear programme back only "a few months"
  • But speaking at a Nato summit, Trump says the strikes caused a "total obliteration" of Iran's nuclear sites
  • Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth, sitting alongside Trump, says the leaked report is "preliminary" and "low confidence", and suggests a "political motive"

You willingly believe people who lie to you over, and over, and over.
 
Here's proof trump's lying to you. He said they totally obliterated Iran's nuclear capabilities. Set them back years. Now we're hearing they only set them back months. How much did that bombing cost the US Tax payers? Maybe we should have just done what Obama was doing. Cheaper and less deadly.

Trump says Iran's nuclear plans put back 'decades' by US strikes after report suggests impact limited​


  • Donald Trump insists Iran's nuclear programme has been set back "decades" by recent US military strikes, despite an intelligence report casting doubt on their success
  • The leaked assessment from the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency estimates the attacks at the weekend set Iran's nuclear programme back only "a few months"
  • But speaking at a Nato summit, Trump says the strikes caused a "total obliteration" of Iran's nuclear sites
  • Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth, sitting alongside Trump, says the leaked report is "preliminary" and "low confidence", and suggests a "political motive"
who has more information than the administration? Please, now CNN and MSNBC have all the facts? Now you are an idiot.
 
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