Look at all the pretty windmills....

[Pogo]

Germany is pulling the plug on windmills...Enercon is cutting 3000 jobs because the government is cutting subsidies...Windmills are only a good investment if government is subsidizing them...the private sector is smart enough to avoid them like the plague is there is no government money in the deal...

Germany jumped on the wind bandwagon to a greater extent than most countries and now the chickens have come home to roost...German citizens are paying some of the highest energy prices in the world for unreliable energy..

When you say "Germany" do you mean "The Bronx"? Hard to tell any more.

 

[Ringel05]

Sounds like Congress...............

Yeah, it does, doesn't it!

Oh and the lie that wind turbines cost more than the energy they produce has already been exposed. The lie is based on a scientific essay written by David Hughes, published in 2009 and taken completely out of context. Hughes has stated so. At least fifty studies have shown that wind turbines produce at minimum 20% more energy than it cost to build them. That is taking into account maintenance and their average life span of twenty years.

But doesn't take into account the cost of disposal when they are retired. See where the blades are causing problems in the landfill world.

Nobody said it was perfect, look how long it took to get to where we are now in many ways and in many fields, it takes time, money and effort and there are a lot of missteps along the way. We fuck up we learn....... well, in some areas....... Hell it's not like they're trying to perfect a DVD rewinder..........

I agree on the time aspect. 300 years isn't enough? Windmills are great for local usage, like the water pumping one I posted, but for large scale electricity production they are less than useless. They are a fraud. Reno bought 4 of them at huge cost and after three years they pulled them down because they calculated they would need 200 years to repay their cost, and maintenance expenditures.

Then they over-paid and put them in the wrong location......... You gonna judge the entire industry by what happened in Reno? Really?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Government subsidies. Look it up. I dare you.

I did, and you are full of shit. These Indiana wind farms received the small PTC tax credit in their first decade of operation. This tax credit no longer exists for them. And yet they continue to grow.

Basically, you just regurgitated a Trump talking point, when he had sand in his giney over a wind farm being built near one of his golf courses.

 

[ReinyDays]

I'm imagining ravenous packs of coyotes wondering where all the dead birds are ...

 

[westwall]

Yeah, it does, doesn't it!

Oh and the lie that wind turbines cost more than the energy they produce has already been exposed. The lie is based on a scientific essay written by David Hughes, published in 2009 and taken completely out of context. Hughes has stated so. At least fifty studies have shown that wind turbines produce at minimum 20% more energy than it cost to build them. That is taking into account maintenance and their average life span of twenty years.

But doesn't take into account the cost of disposal when they are retired. See where the blades are causing problems in the landfill world.

Nobody said it was perfect, look how long it took to get to where we are now in many ways and in many fields, it takes time, money and effort and there are a lot of missteps along the way. We fuck up we learn....... well, in some areas....... Hell it's not like they're trying to perfect a DVD rewinder..........

I agree on the time aspect. 300 years isn't enough? Windmills are great for local usage, like the water pumping one I posted, but for large scale electricity production they are less than useless. They are a fraud. Reno bought 4 of them at huge cost and after three years they pulled them down because they calculated they would need 200 years to repay their cost, and maintenance expenditures.

Then they over-paid and put them in the wrong location......... You gonna judge the entire industry by what happened in Reno? Really?

They were sited where the experts said to place them. They were top of the line windmills at the time. 2005 IIRC

 

[Ringel05]

Oh and the lie that wind turbines cost more than the energy they produce has already been exposed. The lie is based on a scientific essay written by David Hughes, published in 2009 and taken completely out of context. Hughes has stated so. At least fifty studies have shown that wind turbines produce at minimum 20% more energy than it cost to build them. That is taking into account maintenance and their average life span of twenty years.

But doesn't take into account the cost of disposal when they are retired. See where the blades are causing problems in the landfill world.

Nobody said it was perfect, look how long it took to get to where we are now in many ways and in many fields, it takes time, money and effort and there are a lot of missteps along the way. We fuck up we learn....... well, in some areas....... Hell it's not like they're trying to perfect a DVD rewinder..........

I agree on the time aspect. 300 years isn't enough? Windmills are great for local usage, like the water pumping one I posted, but for large scale electricity production they are less than useless. They are a fraud. Reno bought 4 of them at huge cost and after three years they pulled them down because they calculated they would need 200 years to repay their cost, and maintenance expenditures.

Then they over-paid and put them in the wrong location......... You gonna judge the entire industry by what happened in Reno? Really?

They were sited where the experts said to place them. They were top of the line windmills at the time. 2005 IIRC

Even experts can be wrong........
It's working in other areas, lots of other areas.

 

[Ridgerunner]

lots of other areas.

Overnight Sunday: 16 more demonstrators arrested in Kalaeloa

 

[jc456]

Sitting idle because the wind is blowing too hard! This west of Amarillo at 9:54 Veterans Day 2019.

And?

Old school windmills seem to work just fine. This little sucker, right alongside the big boys, was happily moving water.

Okay. And?

Merely pointing out how worthless wind farms are. They cost more energy to produce than they ever create.

This is an example why.

i'm amused that they actually asked you,...and? I love it. hilarious.

 

[jc456]

But doesn't take into account the cost of disposal when they are retired. See where the blades are causing problems in the landfill world.

Nobody said it was perfect, look how long it took to get to where we are now in many ways and in many fields, it takes time, money and effort and there are a lot of missteps along the way. We fuck up we learn....... well, in some areas....... Hell it's not like they're trying to perfect a DVD rewinder..........

I agree on the time aspect. 300 years isn't enough? Windmills are great for local usage, like the water pumping one I posted, but for large scale electricity production they are less than useless. They are a fraud. Reno bought 4 of them at huge cost and after three years they pulled them down because they calculated they would need 200 years to repay their cost, and maintenance expenditures.

Then they over-paid and put them in the wrong location......... You gonna judge the entire industry by what happened in Reno? Really?

They were sited where the experts said to place them. They were top of the line windmills at the time. 2005 IIRC

Even experts can be wrong........
It's working in other areas, lots of other areas.

no, no it's not. there are statistics that are showing you wrong.

 

[jc456]

Old school windmills seem to work just fine. This little sucker, right alongside the big boys, was happily moving water.

Okay. And?

Merely pointing out how worthless wind farms are. They cost more energy to produce than they ever create.

This is an example why.

Sounds like Congress...............

Yeah, it does, doesn't it!

Oh and the lie that wind turbines cost more than the energy they produce has already been exposed. The lie is based on a scientific essay written by David Hughes, published in 2009 and taken completely out of context. Hughes has stated so. At least fifty studies have shown that wind turbines produce at minimum 20% more energy than it cost to build them. That is taking into account maintenance and their average life span of twenty years.

yeah, ohhhhkay francis.

 

[jc456]

Yeah, it does, doesn't it!

Oh and the lie that wind turbines cost more than the energy they produce has already been exposed. The lie is based on a scientific essay written by David Hughes, published in 2009 and taken completely out of context. Hughes has stated so. At least fifty studies have shown that wind turbines produce at minimum 20% more energy than it cost to build them. That is taking into account maintenance and their average life span of twenty years.

But doesn't take into account the cost of disposal when they are retired. See where the blades are causing problems in the landfill world.

Nobody said it was perfect, look how long it took to get to where we are now in many ways and in many fields, it takes time, money and effort and there are a lot of missteps along the way. We fuck up we learn....... well, in some areas....... Hell it's not like they're trying to perfect a DVD rewinder..........

I agree on the time aspect. 300 years isn't enough? Windmills are great for local usage, like the water pumping one I posted, but for large scale electricity production they are less than useless. They are a fraud. Reno bought 4 of them at huge cost and after three years they pulled them down because they calculated they would need 200 years to repay their cost, and maintenance expenditures.

Oh look, an anecdote. Then why does one of the largest wind farms in the world -- in my home State -- not just persist, but continue to grow?

Sorry, my anecdote obliterates your anecdote. Back to square one, for you.

Then why does one of the largest wind farms in the world in my home State -- not just persist, but continue to grow

Stupidity?

 

[jc456]

Oh and the lie that wind turbines cost more than the energy they produce has already been exposed. The lie is based on a scientific essay written by David Hughes, published in 2009 and taken completely out of context. Hughes has stated so. At least fifty studies have shown that wind turbines produce at minimum 20% more energy than it cost to build them. That is taking into account maintenance and their average life span of twenty years.

But doesn't take into account the cost of disposal when they are retired. See where the blades are causing problems in the landfill world.

Nobody said it was perfect, look how long it took to get to where we are now in many ways and in many fields, it takes time, money and effort and there are a lot of missteps along the way. We fuck up we learn....... well, in some areas....... Hell it's not like they're trying to perfect a DVD rewinder..........

I agree on the time aspect. 300 years isn't enough? Windmills are great for local usage, like the water pumping one I posted, but for large scale electricity production they are less than useless. They are a fraud. Reno bought 4 of them at huge cost and after three years they pulled them down because they calculated they would need 200 years to repay their cost, and maintenance expenditures.

Oh look, an anecdote. Then why does one of the largest wind farms in the world -- in my home State -- not just persist, but continue to grow?

Sorry, my anecdote obliterates your anecdote. Back to square one, for you.

Government subsidies. Look it up. I dare you.

he won't.

 

[Augustine_]

Sitting idle because the wind is blowing too hard! This is west of Amarillo at 9:54 Veterans Day 2019.

They're doing what coal miners are all doing right now

 

[Syriusly]

Sitting idle because the wind is blowing too hard! This west of Amarillo at 9:54 Veterans Day 2019.

And?

Old school windmills seem to work just fine. This little sucker, right alongside the big boys, was happily moving water.

Okay. And?

Merely pointing out how worthless wind farms are. They cost more energy to produce than they ever create.

This is an example why.

No this is just an example of your bias in action.

You haven't presented anything to suggest that they cost more energy to produce than they ever create.

 

[Syriusly]

Sitting idle because the wind is blowing too hard! This is west of Amarillo at 9:54 Veterans Day 2019.

They're doing what coal miners are all doing right now

 

[jc456]

Sitting idle because the wind is blowing too hard! This west of Amarillo at 9:54 Veterans Day 2019.

And?

Old school windmills seem to work just fine. This little sucker, right alongside the big boys, was happily moving water.

Okay. And?

Merely pointing out how worthless wind farms are. They cost more energy to produce than they ever create.

This is an example why.

No this is just an example of your bias in action.

You haven't presented anything to suggest that they cost more energy to produce than they ever create.

 

[Ringel05]

lots of other areas.

Overnight Sunday: 16 more demonstrators arrested in Kalaeloa

And that has what to do with what I've posted?

 

[candycorn]

Sitting idle because the wind is blowing too hard! This west of Amarillo at 9:54 Veterans Day 2019.

Wow, 9:54 I gotta write that down. Bet this has never happened before ever. What a historic event. I tell ya the photographer who got that shot is set up for life. He'll be famous forever.

And he's ensured of not getting cancer from the sound too.

I guess they wake up in the morning looking for things to be pissed about.

 

[Ringel05]

Nobody said it was perfect, look how long it took to get to where we are now in many ways and in many fields, it takes time, money and effort and there are a lot of missteps along the way. We fuck up we learn....... well, in some areas....... Hell it's not like they're trying to perfect a DVD rewinder..........

I agree on the time aspect. 300 years isn't enough? Windmills are great for local usage, like the water pumping one I posted, but for large scale electricity production they are less than useless. They are a fraud. Reno bought 4 of them at huge cost and after three years they pulled them down because they calculated they would need 200 years to repay their cost, and maintenance expenditures.

Then they over-paid and put them in the wrong location......... You gonna judge the entire industry by what happened in Reno? Really?

They were sited where the experts said to place them. They were top of the line windmills at the time. 2005 IIRC

Even experts can be wrong........
It's working in other areas, lots of other areas.

no, no it's not. there are statistics that are showing you wrong.

If you say so Sparky....... By the way, I'm not a global warming nutjob....... Bet that throws a monkey wrench into your "he's a liberoid" mantra.......

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Personally, in my limited reading on the subject, solar is a better solution.
Per acre, solar delivers just over 10 times the energy as the best wind farms.
A study of 1,100 wind farms shows that the actual power density they deliver is literally 100 times lower than what they were supposed to deliver.
Which means, of course, the science the companies used to sell the idea to governments was junk science.
IMO - the energy and dollars that have been spent on wind would have been better spent on solar.
Just my limited opinion.