Liz Cheney says Trump appears to have been ‘personally involved in planning’ 6 Jan insurrection

[NotfooledbyW]

The Coroner's report disagrees with you, Notfooled

No it doesn’t. You are a liar.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Type this into your Google and you'll get your answers. I don't spoonfeed adults

january 6 2021 democrat carrying confederate flag

Are you referring to this?

Is Alleged Capitol Rioter Kevin Seefried a ‘Registered Democrat and Biden Supporter’?​

Seefried was photographed brandishing a Confederate flag inside the halls of Congress. Claims that he is a secret Biden supporter are sorely lacking in evidence.​

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As evidence in support of the claim that Seefried is a registered Democrat, some Facebook users cited a listing for a “Kevin D Seefried” on the website VoterRecords.com:​

Is Alleged Capitol Rioter Kevin Seefried a 'Registered Democrat and Biden Supporter'?

Seefried was photographed brandishing a Confederate flag inside the halls of Congress. Claims that he is a secret Biden supporter are sorely lacking in evidence.

www.snopes.com

Furthermore, the only supposed evidence presented in support of the claim that Seefried is a registered Democrat and Biden supporter is fatally flawed. The voter registration listing came from an unofficial source, and in any case referred to a voter born in 1986, and therefore decades younger than Seefried, who is 51 years old

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[NotfooledbyW]

ThisIsMe wrote: I'm not normalizing (DJT) him, I'm just trying to point out the fallacy of trying to enact a plan that he knows is going to be scrutinized 9 ways to Sunday, if he knows it's illegal. 21POST09-POST#0922

Correll wrote: Not assumes stuff and then pretends that they are facts. And that other people "know" the same facts he knows. 20NOV10-POST#0930

NFBW wrote: It would be a sign of integrity and decency ThisIsMe , if your friend and fellow DJT normalizer Correll would provide substance with his comments containing lies about me before going back into hiding. His false accusations that I say untrue “stuff” is way too broad and vague to counter in a most reasonable and factual manner so I will just say for now that Correll Is a liar in general to write that I assume “stuff” and then I pretend that they are facts. I never pretended that any stuff is a fact in my life - Correll is a liar. 20NOV12-POST#1003

NFBW wrote:: When you write ThisIsMe that you are trying to point out the fallacy of trying to enact a plan that DJT knows is going to be scrutinized 9 ways to Sunday, if DJT knows it's illegal I do not believe that to be a reasonable statement of fact and here is why. - - - DJT has repeatedly shown that he does not care about legality/constitutionality as evidenced by continuing his BIG LIE even after mid-December when all 50 states certified their electors in preparation for Jan6. Plus the fact that DJT has his major motive in keeping his big lie going because of the golden cash cow the big lie has become to inspire and bilk $millions from his dumbassed supporters and mega donors after he in reality was a big time loser on November 3. 20NOV12-POST#1003

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No it doesn’t.

Show the text from the report that disagrees with anything I’ve written because I see nothing in it that I disagree with. if you have no text you are a liar.

 

[Oldestyle]

Oldestyle wrote: Did Babbitt die of a self induced drug overdose? 21NOV11-POST#988

NFBW wrote: It does not matter what Babbitt or Floyd died from at this part of the discussion we are having. One of the questions you have been asked is . . between Floyd and Babbitt which one was visibly physically violent and and visibly in violation of the law at the very first moment when a police officer made face-to-face contact with the victim? Floyd did not die of a drug overdose he was asphyxiated by a police officer who would not let him breathe. Babe it was not a protester at the location where she was shot - she was in on President trumps plan to steal the election from Joe Biden and millions of voters in cities like Detroit Philadelphia and Atlanta, 21NOV11-POST#990

NFBW wrote: Was Babbit lying face down and in handcuffs behind her back, being restrained in the presence of four police officers when she died at the hands of police? 21NOV11-POST#985

If Babbitt HAD been put face down and in handcuffs instead of being shot she'd still be alive today! She wasn't OD'ing on hard drugs. Her lungs weren't ceasing to function because she'd consumed so much f

Oldestyle wrote: Duh? Because he just tried several times to pass a counterfeit bill? 21NOV11-POST#997

NFBW wrote: But your "point"... Oldestyle regarding BABBITT was that our entire legal system is based on a system that people are perceived as without guilt until they've been proven to do something unlawful 21NOV11-POST#999

NFBW wrote: So why Oldestyle won’t you perceive that Floyd would have been innocent until proven guilty if Chauvin had not murdered him over suspicion that he passed a counterfeit $20 bill? 21NOV11-POST#999

Floyd WAS innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW! That doesn't mean he shouldn't have been ARRESTED, you idiot! That's what happens when people are suspected of committing a crime! Chauvin never "murdered" anyone! He simply didn't recognize that Floyd was OD'ing on drugs! That conviction was farce. When someone takes a lethal amount of drugs and then dies it's ludicrous to blame someone else for that happening! George Floyd killed himself!
Comparing a piece of crap drug addict like George Floyd to Ashli Babbitt is even more farcical than Chauvin's conviction.

 

[Faun]

If Babbitt HAD been put face down and in handcuffs instead of being shot she'd still be alive today! She wasn't OD'ing on hard drugs. Her lungs weren't ceasing to function because she'd consumed so much f

Floyd WAS innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW! That doesn't mean he shouldn't have been ARRESTED, you idiot! That's what happens when people are suspected of committing a crime! Chauvin never "murdered" anyone! He simply didn't recognize that Floyd was OD'ing on drugs! That conviction was farce. When someone takes a lethal amount of drugs and then dies it's ludicrous to blame someone else for that happening! George Floyd killed himself!
Comparing a piece of crap drug addict like George Floyd to Ashli Babbitt is even more farcical than Chauvin's conviction.

"Chauvin never "murdered" anyone!"

Lying con, you are absolutely batshit insane.

Of course he murdered Floyd.

Chauvin Convicted on All Three Charges in Death of George Floyd

Floyd’s death last year led to widespread protests in the United States and around the world against police treatment of minorities

www.voanews.com

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Duh? Because he just tried several times to pass a counterfeit bill? What part of that being against the law don't you grasp? THAT was got the police called on his dumb ass! If George hadn't been so drugged out he would have known it was time to hit the bricks.

Leftists again excusing feloniea

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Floyd WAS innocent until proven guilty

presumed innocent. Not the same thing.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Nothing here about "sedition" or "insurrection"

SEEFRIED, Kevin​

Case Number:
1:21-cr-287-2
Charge(s):
Knowingly Entering or Remaining in any Restricted Building or Grounds Without Lawful Authority; Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct on Capitol Grounds

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Oldestyle wrote: If Babbitt HAD been put face down and in handcuffs instead of being shot she'd still be alive today! 21NOV12-POST#1005

NFBW wrote: Why would Babbitt need to be restrained in that unique and volatile situation if she and the numbers in the rioting mob behind her were just protesting? - - - Do you agree Oldestyle with the universally truthful observation from all sides that this shooting happened in an extremely unique context of a physical invasion of the U.S. Capitol with the safety of all its members and VP at risk? - - - On top of that, the attackers were flying Trump flags and were a violent component of the political rally of tens of thousands that the POTUS assembled and told on that day to MARCH TO THE CAPITOL as the “last chance” to save America by awarding the presidency to DJT because he won the election entirely on his own word. - - - So in your right wing head Oldestyle is there some potential for you to recognize the situation that BABBITT put an officer in who had no way of knowing how many of the TRUMP mob followers would follow BABBITT through the barricade if he let her through, as he secures his weapon, so she could be handcuffed and put on her stomach? Then while performing that essential task, how does the officer deal with the dozens or hundreds of angry TRUMP rioters who are just as babbshit crazy as BABBITT trying to get in? 21NOV12-POST#1010

 

[Oldestyle]

Oldestyle wrote: If Babbitt HAD been put face down and in handcuffs instead of being shot she'd still be alive today! 21NOV12-POST#1005

NFBW wrote: Why would Babbitt need to be restrained in that unique and volatile situation if she and the numbers in the rioting mob behind her were just protesting? - - - Do you agree Oldestyle with the universally truthful observation from all sides that this shooting happened in an extremely unique context of a physical invasion of the U.S. Capitol with the safety of all its members and VP at risk? - - - On top of that, the attackers were flying Trump flags and were a violent component of the political rally of tens of thousands that the POTUS assembled and told on that day to MARCH TO THE CAPITOL as the “last chance” to save America by awarding the presidency to DJT because he won the election entirely on his own word. - - - So in your right wing head Oldestyle is there some potential for you to recognize the situation that BABBITT put an officer in who had no way of knowing how many of the TRUMP mob followers would follow BABBITT through the barricade if he let her through, as he secures his weapon, so she could be handcuffed and put on her stomach? Then while performing that essential task, how does the officer deal with the dozens or hundreds of angry TRUMP rioters who are just as babbshit crazy as BABBITT trying to get in? 21NOV12-POST#1010

Because you don't EXECUTE people for protesting! You arrest them! I have ZERO problem with any and all of the conservative protesters who stormed the Capitol being arrested, Notfooled! What I have a serious problem with is the decision to shoot to kill an unarmed protester instead of simply arresting them. Those protestors got out of hand because the people in charge of security for that event LET them get out of hand! That protest never should have reached that point and THAT is what we should be investigating! Who made the decisions that led to what happened that day and what the hell were they thinking given the intel that they were being given before the protest began?

 

[Oldestyle]

Oldestyle wrote: If Babbitt HAD been put face down and in handcuffs instead of being shot she'd still be alive today! 21NOV12-POST#1005

NFBW wrote: Why would Babbitt need to be restrained in that unique and volatile situation if she and the numbers in the rioting mob behind her were just protesting? - - - Do you agree Oldestyle with the universally truthful observation from all sides that this shooting happened in an extremely unique context of a physical invasion of the U.S. Capitol with the safety of all its members and VP at risk? - - - On top of that, the attackers were flying Trump flags and were a violent component of the political rally of tens of thousands that the POTUS assembled and told on that day to MARCH TO THE CAPITOL as the “last chance” to save America by awarding the presidency to DJT because he won the election entirely on his own word. - - - So in your right wing head Oldestyle is there some potential for you to recognize the situation that BABBITT put an officer in who had no way of knowing how many of the TRUMP mob followers would follow BABBITT through the barricade if he let her through, as he secures his weapon, so she could be handcuffed and put on her stomach? Then while performing that essential task, how does the officer deal with the dozens or hundreds of angry TRUMP rioters who are just as babbshit crazy as BABBITT trying to get in? 21NOV12-POST#1010

Kindly explain why ONE officer is having to make that call? Where the hell is everyone else that day? Who was it that set up security for that protest and what were they thinking?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I don't agree.

Nah, that's a lie too. You know what you said is false. But it's part of your pile of excuses, pinched off in lieu of admitting your real reasons.

 

[Faun]

Because you don't EXECUTE people for protesting! You arrest them! I have ZERO problem with any and all of the conservative protesters who stormed the Capitol being arrested, Notfooled! What I have a serious problem with is the decision to shoot to kill an unarmed protester instead of simply arresting them. Those protestors got out of hand because the people in charge of security for that event LET them get out of hand! That protest never should have reached that point and THAT is what we should be investigating! Who made the decisions that led to what happened that day and what the hell were they thinking given the intel that they were being given before the protest began?

"Because you don't EXECUTE people for protesting!"

You use lethal force to stop a mob which threatens to harm lawmakers.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"Because you don't EXECUTE people for protesting!"

You use lethal force to stop a mob which threatens to harm lawmakers.

Indeed. It was literally his one job. Like, the one reason he was there. If he wasn't, we would all be screaming about there being nobody there. It was his one job that he was sworn and paid to do. Obviously. You can spot any cultist instantly by their stance on him and Babbitt. Easy litmus test.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Oldestyle wrote: Because you don't EXECUTE people for protesting! 21NOV12-POST#1005

NFBW wrote: Most real Americans I know easily condone the lethal use of force by the officer who expeditiously, and in a quick and efficient manner, determined that it was absolutely necessary to execute the domestic terrorist Ashley Babbitt because she failed to recognize that breaking through a locked door to make contact with lawmakers, potentially to inflict physical harm, with the help of thousands of terrorists coming through a barricade behind her, IT WAS CLEAR she was going too far in her obvious terrorist attack on a joint session of Congress that was conducting official constitutional business to transfer power from the outgoing administration to the next. There was only one way to stop the fanatical mob of terrorists that kept coming at the people that hero Officer Byrd went to work that morning to protect. He shot the first stupid fucker crawling through a window that the mob of terrorists broke so the rest of the slimy TRUMP Incited riot bastards behind the lead terrorist in that scenario all get the clear message - keep attacking you will be shot and killed and it worked. The domestic terrorists in the BABBITT PLATOON called off the attack on the US Capitol in a multitude of minutes before Trump called it off in a tweet where he told domestic terrorists who four hours before the tweet began the physical assault on democracy - DJT said that he was advising them to go home from the attack on the peaceful transfer of power for his benefit , and that he loves them - HE LOVES ASHLEY BABBITT - a terrorist who just had attacked the USA and our beloved Constitutional system of government and way of life. 21NOV13-POST#1016.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Oldestyle wrote: Kindly explain why ONE officer is having to make that call? Where the hell is everyone else that day? Who was it that set up security for that protest and what were they thinking? 21NOV12-POST#1012

NFBW wrote: They were well prepared for a protest / political rally on the ellipse near the White House. They did not prepare for 1000 or so domestic terrorists such as novice active terrorist Ashley Babbitt and real domestic terrorist militia group, such as the Oath Keepers who had infiltrated the peaceful rally after conspiring and planning for months that they would physically attack the Capitol on Jan6 in order to stop or disrupt the certification of the electors from all fifty states. Being attacked by domestic terrorists was not expected in a mistly white Trump sponsored event. Hindsight says the authorities including the White House should have predicted that DJT’s Big LIE would spark a physical attack on the Capitol itself and attack Mike Pence, the coward himself who refused to join the conspiracy and throw the election to DJT - - - I addressed this subject in October but you twisted it all to hell. Try again. 21NOV13-POST#1017

NFBW wrote: Its not that the topic of the rally was based on a huge lie by the sitting President who lost the election by a humiliating majority of voters who hate him, it is the FACT that an outgoing President had a fascistic anti-democracy plan, in writing, to steal the elect from me by unconstitutional means if his clueless VP would have gone along with it. That is the issue here. The peaceful part of the rally means nothing other than the fact that it occupied the police forces which enabled the violence to take place and to get as far into the capital and shut down the process that they did. Without the big lie and without the big rally there would’ve been no violence on Capitol Hill on January 6, 2021. Trump and the planners are all entirely responsible. 21OCT25- POST#304

Oldestyle wrote: Let me see if I follow your "logic", Notfooled! You think a peaceful rally is to blame for the violence that occurred when the Capital Police were woefully unprepared for a small number of protesters that decided they should occupy the Capital building? 21OCT25-POST#308

NFBW wrote: The peaceful part of the rally means nothing other than the fact that it occupied the police forces which enabled the violence to take place and to get as far into the capital and shut down the process that they did 21NOV13-POST#1017î

 

[Oldestyle]

Oldestyle wrote: Kindly explain why ONE officer is having to make that call? Where the hell is everyone else that day? Who was it that set up security for that protest and what were they thinking? 21NOV12-POST#1012

NFBW wrote: They were well prepared for a protest / political rally on the ellipse near the White House. They did not prepare for 1000 or so domestic terrorists such as novice active terrorist Ashley Babbitt and real domestic terrorist militia group, such as the Oath Keepers who had infiltrated the peaceful rally after conspiring and planning for months that they would physically attack the Capitol on Jan6 in order to stop or disrupt the certification of the electors from all fifty states. Being attacked by domestic terrorists was not expected in a mistly white Trump sponsored event. Hindsight says the authorities including the White House should have predicted that DJT’s Big LIE would spark a physical attack on the Capitol itself and attack Mike Pence, the coward himself who refused to join the conspiracy and throw the election to DJT - - - I addressed this subject in October but you twisted it all to hell. Try again. 21NOV13-POST#1017

NFBW wrote: Its not that the topic of the rally was based on a huge lie by the sitting President who lost the election by a humiliating majority of voters who hate him, it is the FACT that an outgoing President had a fascistic anti-democracy plan, in writing, to steal the elect from me by unconstitutional means if his clueless VP would have gone along with it. That is the issue here. The peaceful part of the rally means nothing other than the fact that it occupied the police forces which enabled the violence to take place and to get as far into the capital and shut down the process that they did. Without the big lie and without the big rally there would’ve been no violence on Capitol Hill on January 6, 2021. Trump and the planners are all entirely responsible. 21OCT25- POST#304

Oldestyle wrote: Let me see if I follow your "logic", Notfooled! You think a peaceful rally is to blame for the violence that occurred when the Capital Police were woefully unprepared for a small number of protesters that decided they should occupy the Capital building? 21OCT25-POST#308

NFBW wrote: The peaceful part of the rally means nothing other than the fact that it occupied the police forces which enabled the violence to take place and to get as far into the capital and shut down the process that they did 21NOV13-POST#1017î

Anyone that claims the Capitol Police were well prepared for that protest is either utterly clueless or a blinders wearing partisan! They turned down the offer of National Guard assistance. They didn't have their officers in riot gear. They didn't issue them pepper spray or Tasers. The brutal truth is that the people in charge at the Capitol Police ignored warnings that the protest could very well get violent because people were angry because of what they perceived to be a corrupt election and their total unpreparedness allowed a protest to turn into a riot.

 

[Oldestyle]

"Because you don't EXECUTE people for protesting!"

You use lethal force to stop a mob which threatens to harm lawmakers.

Why wouldn't you use non lethal force to stop said mob? You know...LIKE POLICE USED AGAINST LIBERAL PROTESTERS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR THE BETTER PART OF TWO FREAKING YEARS!!! Why is it that an unarmed conservative protester that hadn't hurt anyone can be shot at point blank range by an officer laying in wait...while literally thousands of liberals protesters were allowed to loot, burn and assault Police officers in dozens of violent riots and yet not a single one of them was executed like Ashli Babbitt?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Oldestyle wrote: You've assumed that Babbitt was going to physically attack Mike Pence therefore it was OK for someone to shoot her without warning yet there is not a single example of ANYONE in that crowd harming a single member of Congress! 21NOV11-POST#982

NFBW wrote: ?One? Did anyone in the “storming” crowd Oldestyle harm any individuals who were legally inside the security check points that are located at every entrance to the US Capitol? 21NOV13-POST#1020

NFBW wrote: ?Two? Did anyone in the “storming” crowd Oldestyle harm any of the uniformed security individuals who formed a perimeter to protect individuals who were legally inside the security check points that are located at every entrance to the US Capitol. 21NOV13-POST#1020

NFBW wrote: I am correctly looking back and presuming as well as assuming along with every American who was legally inside the Capitol were correct to fear they could be wounded or killed by the Trump flag flying crowd that you Oldestyle describe as engaged in “storming” the Capitol which included physical combat with Capitol Police who were doing their best to stop them or at least slow them down so that all individuals inside could be moved to safety. 21NOV13-POST#1020

NFBW wrote: ?Three? So do you agree Oldestyle that all individuals doing business inside the Capitol on Jan6 were correct to presume that physical and close contact with the hundreds of Trump Supporters who were angry and fighting with police that it would be hazardous to their life, health and well being if the “stormers” get near? 21NOV13-POST#1020

NFBW wrote: For background here is the mindset of BABBITT’s fellow DJT Storm Trooper who was right behind her, who heard the police warnings but did not try to stop Babbitt from the attempt to push on, that earned her the bullet that ended her life and ended the seige of the CAPITOL - for that group of stormers anyway. 21NOV13-POST#1020

Thomas Baranyi and Ashley Babbitt STORM Congress together:
“””” Donald Trump falsely said the 2020 presidential election was marred by widespread voter fraud and that he was the true victor. He told his supporters to "fight" for him as Congress confirmed President-elect Joe Biden's election victory in the Capitol building.
The man standing next to Ashli Babbitt as she was shot and killed has been arrested on charges of storming the Capitol building
Baranyi said he personally participated in the storming of the Capitol building to stop Congress from counting the electoral college votes for Biden. - - - "We tore through the scaffolding, through flash bangs and tear gas, and blitzed our way in through all the chambers just trying to get into Congress or whoever we could get in to and tell them that we need some kind of investigation into this," he said, according to the FBI affidavit “”””

Oldestyle wrote: I have ZERO problem with any and all of the conservative protesters who stormed the Capitol being arrested, Notfooled! 21NOV12-POST#1005

NFBW wrote: ?Four? You must agree then Oldestyle that Ashli Babbitt with the countless angry mob behind her was a “presumed threat” to any member of Congress if she and her fellow DJT storm troopers could get past security and find them.? And therefore needed to be stopped? 21NOV13-POST#1020