Liz Cheney says Trump appears to have been ‘personally involved in planning’ 6 Jan insurrection

[NotfooledbyW]

there was a riot, and you have an Eastman memo that lays out a plan to have the vp reject some electors

Reject some electors? ,, no big deal ehh tell that to the black mom who worked her ass off in her Detroit community to help get Joe Biden elected. Tell her that the vice president on the losing ticket was given the constitutional authority to throw her vote out and not count it so that he can win. Tell her that ThisIsMe tell her she has no vote because DJ T does not understand that he lost

 

[ThisIsMe]

ThisIsMe wrote: My question wasn't whether or not having the investigation was right or wrong, but if they couldn't find the evidence to prove Trump was guilty of planning and ordering the attack on the capitol, would they be able to admit it, and admit they were wrong about their accusations of trump. 21OCT30-POST#602

NFBW wrote: Your question is based on the false premise that the formation of the committee and the structure of it and the people in it is potentially wrong. It cannot be wrong. The members on the committee are gathering information, they have made no charges against DJT or any of his people other than Bannon, so far, who refuses to comply with the subpoena so they can gather information. - - - You wrote, “if they couldn't find the evidence to prove Trump was guilty of planning and ordering the attack on the capitol,” which is “if” for the reason that the committee members don’t have the information when they joined the committee to start looking for it. So if none turns up in the course of the investigation why in the hell do they have to say they were wrong to look for information. Your absurd method of questioning leaves only one solution that I can see, and that is to not have an investigation. At least do not have one question until you, a DJT voter approves the set up of the people that would be doing the investigation. And you should know by now that if Qanon, Roger Stone Alex Jones and Ivanka Trump formed a committee and finishing up an investigation and found that DJT didn’t pay a parking ticket DJT would call it a witchhunt. He’s built that way. He is what he is because that is the way that he is. So if you want to go through with your repetitive attack on the committee In order to protect DJ T then I will continue to explain why you are wrong and you should not be doing it. That’s all for now. gonna watch the buckeyes beat Penn State. 21OCT30-POST#610

Your question is based on the false premise that the formation of the committee and the structure of it and the people in it is potentially wrong. It cannot be wrong

No, that's not it at all. I never said anything about the formation of the committee being wrong. I never even mentioned that, anywhere. I said that if they couldn't find the evidence to conclusively show trumps wrongdoing, would they admit they were wrong about their accusations that Trump was guilty of planning a riot.

The members on the committee are gathering information,

Correct, and there are 3 types of information, information that can allege guilt and information that can allege innocence, and then there is information that can be twisted to appear to be something its not. I have been saying I think the committee will bury any information that alleges innocence and promote the evidence that alleges guilt and twist context.

they have made no charges against DJT or any of his people

Yes they have, maybe not officially as a committee, but they all have spoken against Trump, and their assertion that they think he is guilty.

Let's put it like this, if you were accused of a crime, would you want the team charged with that investigation to be people who hated you and WANTED to see you go to prison? Would that be the investigation team investigation you?

So if none turns up in the course of the investigation why in the hell do they have to say they were wrong to look for information.

They have all accused Trump of crimes, maybe not as a formal committee, but separately, they, and nearly every Democrat has accused Trump of being the leader and planner of the riot, they have launched and investigation because of it. They even impeached him for it. So yes, if this investigation came out with no evidence of criminal wrongdoing, and any evidence that Trump had a part in planning and directing the riot, they need to come out and tell people that, and admit they were wrong about their accusations.

This begs the question, they already impeached him for this, why are they investigating it AGAIN, the answer to that is because they couldn't get a guilty verdict from the impeachment to stop Trump from running for office, so they are doing their own investigation to achieve just that. So yes, they have incentive to make sure he is found guilty, by any means necessary.

Your absurd method of questioning leaves only one solution that I can see, and that is to not have an investigation

I never said not to have an investigation. I said because the members of the committee have a vested interest in seeing Trump charged with a crime, that the investigation was pointless. Nobody on that committee is objective or unbiased. They all want to see Trump referred to doj, even the republican members.

At least do not have one question until you, a DJT voter approves the set up of the people that would be doing the investigation

Again, I didn't vote for him. I would approve of the investigation if the committee doing it wasn't full of people who already admitted they think he is guilty and want to see him barred from office and/or in prison.

And you should know by now that if Qanon, Roger Stone Alex Jones and Ivanka Trump formed a committee and finishing up an investigation and found that DJT didn’t pay a parking ticket DJT would call it a witchhunt.

No idea what djt would think. Was there any evidence that he didn't pay? Was there any evidence he was illegally parked? Would the members of the committee investigating all be admitted haters and have interest in seeing him found guilty? There are things that would have to be determined.

Also. It doesn't matter what djt would say, what would matter is, is the investigation unbiased or not.

In order to protect DJ

I'm not trying to protect Trump. I've stated repeatedly, again, and again and again and again, if the investigation was unbiased and the members didn't already have a stated vested in seeing Trump penalized, that I would support the outcome.

 

[ThisIsMe]

What was the purpose of the plan to have Mike Pence reject the electors? Was the purpose of the riot and the purpose of the Eastman plan engaged to accomplish the same thing?

By not answering these questions I have to assume that you don’t have an answer that can support “Normalizing” your client DJT And abnormalizing any critic of the victim. #640

By not answering these questions I have to assume that you don’t have an answer that can support “Normalizing” your client DJT And abnormalizing any critic of the victim.

I'll answer this part first. You put your own conditions on whether or not I answer your questions, so that must mean I'm covering for Trump. OK, well, since you tried to avoid answering my questions for so long that means you are admitting that the committee is biased and just out to get a conviction at all costs, even if that means being dishonest about their findings

What was the purpose of the plan to have Mike Pence reject the electors? Was the purpose of the riot and the purpose of the Eastman plan engaged to accomplish the same thing?

The purpose of pence to reject the electors was based on their belief that the election had been stolen. It's possible that the purpose of the PROTEST and the Eastman memo could be related, but I'm waiting for the evidence that shows that Trump planned and orchestrated the riot and the assault on the capitol. Planning a protest is not illegal, and a protest that got out of hand by a few members needs evidence before you can assign it creation on someone.

By the way, have you read the Eastman memo? Its very interesting and telling.......

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Of course Liz Cheney would say Trump was involved in the Jan 6th “insurrection.” Liz is part of the old outdated GOP that hates the fact that Trump hijacked their fact old elephant and rode it to victory over Hillary

Tired cultist talking point to cover for the orange slob and his GOP slurpers.

The things Cheney said on or about Jan 6 were no different than things many Republicans said. The difference now is that she is still maintaining the same position, while those other asskissers were brought to heel by the cult leader and his threat to primary them out of office.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

before you can assign it creation on someone.

I’m not assigning creation of the riot on anyone. I’m saying we already know as a fact that the purpose of the riot and the purpose of the Eastman Plan are conjoined. In effect that bond of all the participants in the scheme are acting as one. Yes DJT is responsible for ‘inspiring’ the riot if you prefer that term by promoting the FALSE unconstitutional belief that there was an option on Jan6 available to MAGA-world that the election could be legally and Constitutionally overturned if his masses ‘fought’ in some way alongside the Eastman pathway stopping the counting of the electors on that specific date.#645

 

[Mac1958]

Yes let's review.

First, you lied about the original bipartisan committee and had to be corrected. You never did acknowledge that falsehood, even though your entire argument rested on it.

Second, you claim the investigation is pointless.

Third, you claim any facts they find will be "fake".

Fourth, you claim you already know the facts, like Bannon being in the clear. Despite your entire rant being against an investigation to find the facts, of which we are actually not yet aware. But you already know the real facts, and already know the facts they find will all be "fake".

Dude, it doesn't take a mindreader. You have tripped over yourself too many times, at this point.

It's not exactly a stretch to think that the reason Trump & Co are trying to so hard to avoid this, is that their hands are all over it.

I'll bet even the obedient rubes know it. They should be proud. He's "saving the country" from "the commies" 'n stuff.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Reject some electors? ,, no big deal ehh tell that to the black mom who worked her ass off in her Detroit community to help get Joe Biden elected. Tell her that the vice president on the losing ticket was given the constitutional authority to throw her vote out and not count it so that he can win. Tell her that ThisIsMe tell her she has no vote because DJ T does not understand that he lost

Again, they BELIEVED the election had been stolen. I would agree with you had there been any indication that they knew they lost yet proceeded with a plan to reject slates of electors.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's not exactly a stretch to think that the reason Trump & Co are trying to so hard to avoid this, is that their hands are all over it.

We can reasonably assume this is 100% true of Trump himself. We know who this man is. We know he isn't going to stick his neck out to cover for his toadies. They are disposable to him and can be replaced by loyalists.

Cheney nailed it. Anyone who has ever raised a toddler can see through this little game.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I'll bet even the obedient rubes know it. They should be proud

And there is the irony. All of them ROOTED for this to succeed. Every one of them watched it live on TV and rooted and cheered for the insurrectionists.

But they perceive a slight bit of trouble for the high priest of the cult. So they go into human shield mode, reflexively, and oddly try to cover for and dismiss actions they supported and still support 100%

The grip Trump has on their brains is remarkable.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I’m not assigning creation of the riot on anyone. I’m saying we already know as a fact that the purpose of the riot and the purpose of the Eastman Plan are conjoined. In effect that bond of all the participants in the scheme are acting as one. Yes DJT is responsible for ‘inspiring’ the riot if you prefer that term by promoting the FALSE unconstitutional belief that there was an option on Jan6 available to MAGA-world that the election could be legally and Constitutionally overturned if his masses ‘fought’ in some way alongside the Eastman pathway stopping the counting of the electors on that specific date.#645

I’m not assigning creation of the riot on anyone. I’m saying we already know as a fact that the purpose of the riot and the purpose of the Eastman Plan are conjoined.

The first part of that sentence contradicts the second part. You don't know for a fact that the RIOT was associated with the Eastman memo, in fact, the Eastman memo didn't even come out til months later when Woodward and Acosta wrote about it in their book. In fact, the people at the rally, nor ANYONE had any idea that there was even a plan to try and reject electors. I don't recall that ever being mentioned until the book came out. The rally, and the protest were about letting congress know they disagreed with what they believed to be a stolen election.

SOME people got out of hand and started a riot, which we are now seeing as have been instigated in the days leading up to the rally by other people, not yet prove to have any association with the Trump team.

Yes DJT is responsible for ‘inspiring’ the riot if you prefer that term by promoting the FALSE unconstitutional belief that there was an option on Jan6 available to MAGA-world that the election could be legally and Constitutionally overturned if his masses ‘fought’ in some way alongside the Eastman pathway stopping the counting of the electors on that specific date

Yes, Trump had said, several times that the election had been stolen, it had been in the news for awhile as well. Still, that doesn't point to Trump planning, nor even intending that people would riot.

Again, show me where I'm wrong, but, the idea that Trump was trying to impart information that they could overturn the election, when the Eastman memo wasn't revealed til months later, and no mention of that plan, as far as I'm aware, had ever been mentioned to the public. The people at the protest never knew what was going on within the Trump camp. So that couldn't have been a motive for the riot.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You put your own conditions on whether or not I answer your questions, so that must mean I'm covering for Trump

I did not say you were covering for Trump IF you don’t answer the questions, I wrote that I have to assume that you don’t have an answer that can support “Normalizing” your client DJT. If you can answer the question I will review them to see if they support your effort to normalize Trump by abnormalizing the members of the Committee. The potential for bias in the committee to you it seems is evil intent / not fair to the perpetual victim of the deep state establishment but also to you ThisIsMe , DJT’s “misunderstanding” that he won the election that caused all the trouble, violence and bloodshed on Jan6 had nothing to do with DJT’s bias - DJT’s bias unto himself and his self interest and the perpetuation of the Trump political anti-establishment brand. #

 

[NotfooledbyW]

the Eastman memo didn't even come out til months later when Woodward and Acosta wrote about it in their book

Why do you write such stupid things? #562

Trump is conning and angering the MAGA mob falsely claiming that he and EASTMAN are protecting the Constitution forcing Pence to do the right thing, Then later DJT tweets to the rioting mob in progress that Pence was too much of a coward to do the right thing - putting Pence and his entire family with him in mortal danger in an active riot of brave Patriots with the intent to hang the coward.

Trump rallying the forces at noon January 6, 2021: - - - “John is one of the most brilliant lawyers in the country, and he looked at this and he said, “What an absolute disgrace that this can be happening to our Constitution.”

And he looked at Mike Pence, and I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so. - - - Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution. - - - States want to revote. The states got defrauded, They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.” 21JAN06-DJT-jEASTMAN

 

[Batcat]

Tired cultist talking point to cover for the orange slob and his GOP slurpers.

The things Cheney said on or about Jan 6 were no different than things many Republicans said. The difference now is that she is still maintaining the same position, while those other asskissers were brought to heel by the cult leader and his threat to primary them out of office.

The useless, outdated and corrupt old GOP hates Trump with a passion. He was trying to derail the gravy train that runs through the Swamp.

The old GOP also hated the fact that Trump had the cojones to stand up to democrats and the liberal media.

Trump also didn’t really care if he was liked or not. Members of the old GOP try their best to be loved by the voters and the liberal media. Therefore they act wimpy, wimpy, wimpy and fail to stand up for what they say they believe in.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The useless, outdated and corrupt old GOP hates Trump with a passion.

Just like most of the country and the world, as he is a nauseating, failed human. Also true of many of the GOPers currently kissing his ass. They just pretend not to hate him, because they are scared of being primaried. So the difference between them and Cheney is honesty. I suppose we can assume you prefer dishonesty and the theater of them sucking on the orange butt. Good for you.

 

[Batcat]

Well, poster Batcat, there is the alternative view that the 'insurrection' didn't succeed because of, well, because of Trump.
His record on successes ain't stellar.

Sorta like Trump University, Trump Casinos, Trump Pale Ale, Trump Vodka, Trump Airlines, Trump Mortgage, Trump Steak, Trump Tower Tampa, yadda, yadda, yadda.
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It seems to me that poster Leviticus is sensing there's a fire underneath all that smoke.
I too think that there is more to this story than what has been revealed to date.
In my opinion, there seems to be some curious aspects that Americans would benefit if they better understood if there was or was not a connection:

• “Big protest in D.C. on January 6th,” Mr. Trump tweeted on Dec. 19,...... “Be there, will be wild!”
• On his podcast on January 5, Bannon encouraged listeners eager for “revolution” to go to Washington the following day. “All hell is going to break loose tomorrow,” he said.

• GOP lawmaker Mo Brooks says he wore body armor at the January 6 Trump rally and was tipped off to 'risks'​

• Oathkeepers, who joined the attack on the Capitol, guarded Roger Stone on January 5th and part of the 6th.​

Those developments require a thorough vetting. So let's let the cake bake....and see what comes out of the oven.​

True Trump had his failures but he also did the impossible like beating Hillary.

It will be interesting to see how things play out.

I personally don’t think Trump will run most likely because he will still be mired in legal proceedings. However another fighter for the people like Florida’s Ron DeSantis may take his place.

We do live in interesting times.

 

[Batcat]

Just like most of the country and the world, as he is a nauseating, failed human. Also true of many of the GOPers currently kissing his ass. They just pretend not to hate him, because they are scared of being primaried. So the difference between them and Cheney is honesty. I suppose we can assume you prefer dishonesty and the theater of them sucking on the orange butt. Good for you.

You claim I prefer dishonesty. If I did Joe Biden would be my man.

Tree of âLiesâ for Shameless Joe Biden over faux synagogue visit: Devine

Biden’s tall tale about going to the Tree of Life synagogue after the 2018 massacre is not the product of an ageing memory but symptomatic of a lifetime of lies.

nypost.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You claim I prefer dishonesty.

And I support it with the facts of your own behavior. You do. You literally just drew a distinction between GOPers who hate trump and those who don't, based on their public comments. And your distinction was a ruse, as you know as well as I do that most GOPers sucking his ass are just pretending to do so. And apparently you are happy with that and want to be lied to.

Your Biden boogeyman has nothing to do with any of that.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

In fact, the people at the rally, nor ANYONE had any idea that there was even a plan to try and reject electors. I don't recall that ever being mentioned until the book came out. The rally, and the protest were about letting congress know they disagreed with what they believed to be a stolen election

Bullcrap! The Eastman Plan was defined by DJT at the rally and Eastman himself riled up the crowd before DJT Spoke: 21OCT31-POST#658

Shame on you for not knowing any of this until now. I thought you were interested in acquiring the truth. I wrote this in March 21OCT31-POST#658

NFBW wrote: They were there in numbers (unarmed by law) to pressure Pence to steal it. 21MAR20-POST#301

January 6, 2021 8:17 a.m.: Trump tweets: "States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!"

NFBW wrote: And then live to the crowd DJT reminds the mob what Pence had to do:

Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution. - - - States want to revote. The states got defrauded, They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.”

djtqriot1 copied and pasted from https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-13/transcript-of-trumps-speech-at-rally-before-us-capitol-riot?context=amp

NFBW wrote: But Pence defied the President and IGNORED the angry crowd. At about 1 PM he issued this statement on his way to the Capitol

"my considered judgement that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not."

NFBW wrote: The brave Trumpism patriots stormed the Capitol to stop the steal themselves and hang Mike Pence as a traitor to Constitutional Trumpism

(DoD Memo) 1:26 p.m.: The Capitol Police orders the evacuation of the Capitol complex.

NFBW wrote They left their guns in Virginia but they had or found other weapons and the gallows set up to hang Mike Pence.


January 6, 2021 8:17 a.m.: Trump tweets: "States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!"

 

[NotfooledbyW]

States want to revote. The states got defrauded, They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back

That was DJT speaking to the mob an hour before the riot , ThisIsMe . It is I lie. No state wanted their electors back.

 

[lantern2814]

You Oldstyle have an Abrams tank blocking your shot at the eight ball - it is called REALITY - most humans need it like food air water and shelter to survive - I don’t know how long you, ThisIsMe Correll lantern2814 etc can survive running on DJT’s inexcusable toxic and alternative reality for as long as you all have - The findings of the Committee could save you - but you need to sit back quit dissing them and wait for it’s results and read this when you think DJT is not watching you. 21OCT31-POST#631

“”” Speaking with host Kendis Gibson, {on MSNB} the attorney said written documents and recorded comments by three have built the case against them. 21OCT31-RS-tBoggioni - - - Trump and his lawyers have handed investigators what they need to charge them with 'seditious conspiracy': former prosecutor - - - “You know Kendis, it is not that Vice President Pence did not have the courage or the spine to overthrow the election's result, it is that he did not have the law or the authority to overthrow the election results," he began. "There's nothing in the 12th Amendment, nothing in the Electoral College Count Act that gives a vice president the unilateral authority to just disregard or throw out the results of the popular vote, as he is presiding over the count of the Electoral College votes." - - - "What all of this shows us, Kendis, is that there is going to be so much evidence coming out, that will prove, I suggest, like guys like [John] Eastman and certainly Donald Trump, and Jeffrey Clark -- who was assisting Trump in his efforts to overturn the election results -- they are going to build the case for this being a criminal conspiracy, indeed, a seditious conspiracy." - - - "I think that the select committee will have the evidence that it needs to really make some progress in its investigation," he added “””

Keep pushing your rubbish. The FBI found NO evidence of any plot, NOTHING to tie Trump to any of this. Period. End of argument. THAT is reality moron. You have nothing but maybe, and could have. In other words, your usual nothing burger. Which you gladly swallow whole.