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Liz Cheney says Trump appears to have been ‘personally involved in planning’ 6 Jan insurrection

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I get Rachel Levine and Liz Cheney confused.
 

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. All the left have are opinions and no facts
Thus the investigation you are crying like a little baby about. Thus the obstruction by your orange lard and master. You really want to have it both ways. And by that, i mean cry about everything to get your way.



"You dont have any facts!"

" so let's have an investigation."

" Witch Hunt! Witch-hunt! Must protect the orange pile of shit!"

Very childish and transparent.
 

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Civil or not, that sentiment....that America needs to know more.....

So being as well informed on those aspects as is possible....is what will make America stronger, and more resistant to demagoguery and sedition. Duh!

Correll is not informed or intelligent or patriotic American enough to pass judgment on the need for the Jan6 Commission. Correll wrote that all Mike Pence needed was to have a belief that the ballots were fraudulent then it was his choice as a member of the losing ticket to decide that his ticket must be named the winner by trashing the legal votes cast in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and WIsconsin. PENCE decides the winner / not We the People. Because Pence figured out the absurdity of what DJT and the MAGA mob wanted him to do the riot happened on Jan6. The riot happened because DJT lied there was fake ballots and rigged voting machines that stole the election from Trump Pence. TRUMP’s lie caused the riots. If there is no fire and someone lies there is a fire in the theatre and causes panic and injuries, the liar should be held responsible and charged. DJT caused panic that Biden was going to destroy America after stealing the election. Pence was the last chance to save America - he didn’t, so we had an insurrection to do what DJT wanted his mob to do.

Someone needs to tell Correll that there is no fucking way one man a Vice President had the powers to overturn an election in order to name himself the winner.


Correll wrote: 1. Is it not Pence's job to make that call himself? 21OCT16-POST#887 - - - 2. IF Pence believed that the ballots were fraudulent, is that not what SHOULD have happened? 21OCT16-POST#887
 

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She doesnt really provide a silver bullet in this statement but it really does look like that is the case. Bannon has an obligation to Trump and it is the logical conclusion.
I think that it might be alike that scene in A Few Good Men where Trump would want to scream at America.

"You cant handle the truth. SAD",

On a positive note it does appear that Liz and her friends have bollocks big enough to deal with this.
Uhuh, sure. :laugh:
 

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Ah, good poster Correll, you need not fret too much about civility. Or lack thereof. Rather, let's back up a bit and re-visit this statement from post #236:

"...we, and all of America, needs to better understand if there was a sinister intent to Don Trump Tweeting to 70 million followers to come to DC because "it will be wild". Was there sinister intent to Steve Bannon's public announcement on January 5th, the day before --- "All hell is going to break loose".

Civil or not, that sentiment....that America needs to know more.....has relevance.

Now, to be sure, there are those MAGAHats who don't want to know more about January 6th; who don't want more Americans to know more about it; who would like to minimize, dismiss and deny that our Constitutional tradition, and mandate of a peaceful transfer of power was gravely threatened.

However, there ARE plenty of loyal and patriotic Americans who love this country who want to know how this happened and if there were actors who planned it, supported it, coordinated it, cheered it on. Want to know just how 'non'-spontaneous it could have been.


So being as well informed on those aspects as is possible....is what will make America stronger, and more resistant to demagoguery and sedition. Duh!



Such talk is normal, political, grandstanding.


You know it, I know it. So, when you clam otherwise, you are lying.


The demagoguery today, is going from YOUR side, with your fear mongering, to justify your use of the power of the state against your political enemies.
 

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The demagoguery today, is going from YOUR side, with your fear mongering, to justify your use of the power of the state against your political enemies.

DJT declared the 2020 ELECTION DAY to be the insurrection not Jan6. DJT thus declared war on my vote. I wonder if Correll is still with DJT and his declarations of war against the Constitution and voters in the name of mobocracy.
 
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Thus the investigation you are crying like a little baby about. Thus the obstruction by your orange lard and master. You really want to have it both ways. And by that, i mean cry about everything to get your way.



"You dont have any facts!"

" so let's have an investigation."

" Witch Hunt! Witch-hunt! Must protect the orange pile of shit!"

Very childish and transparent.
You seem perfectly fine with keeping the details of the Kennedy assassination from being released. Why is Biden OK with covering up the Kennedy (a democrat) assassination but Republicans need to be investigated? A lot of hypocrisy there, don't you think?
 

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You seem perfectly fine with keeping the details of the Kennedy assassination from being released
Not only pathetic whataboutism, but just a shameless lie out of left field about something that hasn't ever come up. Fantasy ad hominem wrapped in pathetic whataboutism.

Best ya got, eh? Think that will stop the investigation? Heh heh
 

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Not only pathetic whataboutism, but just a shameless lie out of left field about something that hasn't ever come up. Fantasy ad hominem wrapped in pathetic whataboutism.

Best ya got, eh? Think that will stop the investigation? Heh heh
Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
 

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She doesnt really provide a silver bullet in this statement but it really does look like that is the case. Bannon has an obligation to Trump and it is the logical conclusion.
I think that it might be alike that scene in A Few Good Men where Trump would want to scream at America.

"You cant handle the truth. SAD",

On a positive note it does appear that Liz and her friends have bollocks big enough to deal with this.
The Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military in history planned an insurrection using unarmed civilians, some of whom looked like they escaped from a cosplay event ?
jake-angeli-qanon-shaman-capitol-protest.jpg
 

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Thus the investigation you are crying like a little baby about. Thus the obstruction by your orange lard and master. You really want to have it both ways. And by that, i mean cry about everything to get your way.



"You dont have any facts!"

" so let's have an investigation."

" Witch Hunt! Witch-hunt! Must protect the orange pile of shit!"

Very childish and transparent.
The actual investigation by the FBI is done moron. No evidence of ANY organized plot. None. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Cheney’s crying about wanting Bannon to testify is nothing but a fishing expedition. Because the “committee” has nothing but failure.
 

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Correll is not informed or intelligent or patriotic American enough to pass judgment on the need for the Jan6 Commission. Correll wrote that all Mike Pence needed was to have a belief that the ballots were fraudulent then it was his choice as a member of the losing ticket to decide that his ticket must be named the winner by trashing the legal votes cast in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and WIsconsin. PENCE decides the winner / not We the People. Because Pence figured out the absurdity of what DJT and the MAGA mob wanted him to do the riot happened on Jan6. The riot happened because DJT lied there was fake ballots and rigged voting machines that stole the election from Trump Pence. TRUMP’s lie caused the riots. If there is no fire and someone lies there is a fire in the theatre and causes panic and injuries, the liar should be held responsible and charged. DJT caused panic that Biden was going to destroy America after stealing the election. Pence was the last chance to save America - he didn’t, so we had an insurrection to do what DJT wanted his mob to do.

Someone needs to tell Correll that there is no fucking way one man a Vice President had the powers to overturn an election in order to name himself the winner.


Correll wrote: 1. Is it not Pence's job to make that call himself? 21OCT16-POST#887 - - - 2. IF Pence believed that the ballots were fraudulent, is that not what SHOULD have happened? 21OCT16-POST#887
Another leftard who needs to be informed that the FBI found NO evidence of an organized plot. No charges or accusations against Trump. You may want to remember that YOUR side’s lies caused over a year’s worth of riots resulting in actual deaths.
 

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lantern2814 wrote: Another leftard who needs to be informed that the FBI found NO evidence of an organized plot. No charges or accusations against Trump. 21OCT23-POST#253

NFBW wrote: I never claimed Trump was involved in an organized plot to commit the violence on Jan6 or had direct involvement with any of the violent criminals that the FBI has arrested thus far. So what are you talking about here lantern2814 ? I wrote this, The riot happened because DJT lied there was fake ballots and rigged voting machines that stole the election from Trump Pence. TRUMP’s lie caused the riots. THAT is a fact that needs no investigation. 21OCT23-POST#254

“”” Although the FBI has not found an organized plot or direct involvement by Trump, that doesn't mean that Trump didn't play an important role in instigating the violence.


Earlier this year, the House of Representatives impeached Trump on the charge of "incitement of insurrection" after he spent weeks promoting conspiracy theories about the results of the 2020 election. On January 6, Trump gave a speech on The Ellipse where he urged supporters to march on the Capitol.”””
 

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lantern2814 wrote: Another leftard who needs to be informed that the FBI found NO evidence of an organized plot. No charges or accusations against Trump. 21OCT23-POST#253


WHY WHY WHY DID DJT say this then?

JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE OCT. 7, 2021
Trump Tells Former Advisers to Ignore Subpoenas From January 6 Select Committee
 

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NFBW wrote: DJT declared the 2020 ELECTION DAY to be the insurrection not Jan6. DJT thus declared war on my vote. 21OCT23-POST#246

NFBW wrote: lantern2814 disagrees. with what we must wonder? DJT said that. It cannot mean DJT accents the will of the voters who massively reject him. So we are the insurrectionists on November 3 not his criminals and abolishinuts of democracy on Jan6. 21OCT24-POST#256
 

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NFBW wrote: DJT declared the 2020 ELECTION DAY to be the insurrection not Jan6. DJT thus declared war on my vote. 21OCT23-POST#246

NFBW wrote: lantern2814 disagrees. with what we must wonder? DJT said that. It cannot mean DJT accents the will of the voters who massively reject him. So we are the insurrectionists on November 3 not his criminals and abolishinuts of democracy on Jan6. 21OCT24-POST#256
Schiff and the 40 year useless rotund congressman who shit his pants at one of their propaganda spiels are the insane ones.
 

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Correll wrote: 2. "White Christians" want control of the government? Well, "white Christians" are not an united Group so your implication that they are, is simply false. 20OCT20-POST#63

NFBW wrote: DJT is nobody politically without his white evangelical Christian base unified behind him. - - - On Jan6 according to the Eastman memo to DJT the plan was to toss out the certified electors in four states that DJT and his white Evangelical Christian nationalist base lost so that white Republican TRUMP electors could replace the Biden electors and Trump/Pence ends up staying in power four more years. - - - Had white evangelical Christian Pence done what God, John Eastman and DJT and a violent mob wanted done, with some committing violence while carrying Jesus flags. there would have been a right wing theocratic coup to overturn an American election and spur the destruction of its democracy. - - - IT ISCA FACT THAT "White Christians" attempted to seize control of the government by Undemocratic means on Jan6 - we must not a cultural Christian like Correll minimize that event by trying to normalize it with his racist whataboutism and unChristian hatred for BLM. 21OCT24-POST#258


PS: DJT is so divisive he even has torn apart white evangelical Christian congregations to feed his massive ego.

Evangelicals scrambling to oust belief in Trump as congregations are torn apart

Tom Boggioni
21OCT24-tBiggioni

"When Trump was able to add open hatred and resentments to the political-religious stance of 'true believers,' it crossed a line. Tribal instincts seem to have become overwhelming," Marsden explained before adding that Trump's Christian followers, "have come to see a gospel of hatreds, resentments, vilifications, put-downs, and insults as expressions of their Christianity, for which they too should be willing to fight."
"For many Christians, their politics has become more of an identity marker than their faith.


They might insist that they are interpreting their politics through the prism of scripture, with the former subordinate to the latter, but in fact scripture and biblical ethics are often distorted to fit their politics," Wehner wrote adding, "The former president normalized a form of discourse that made the once-shocking seem routine. Russell Moore laments the 'pugilism of the Trump era, in which anything short of cruelty is seen as weakness.' The problem facing the evangelical church, then, is not just that it has failed to inculcate adherents with its values—it's that when it has succeeded in doing so, those values have not always been biblical."
You can read more here.
 
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Nice group of followers that Orange Bloated Narcissistic Dolt has. Uneducated white trash.

NOPE! ‘Emm R real American Christians. America was created by them. America was created for them , and DJT promised to give America back to them. The white ones at least.
 

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