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[MizMolly]

It is really pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, you won't go to prison. Having sympathy for the criminal is wrong.

They estimate that most people commit crimes every day. However some kids are being born into impoverished inner city areas, into families with parents who don't care, or there's only one mother, and their education is poor for lots of reasons, like good teachers don't want to work there because of the crime, and the students are misbehaving and causing other students problems.

After all of this, they're looking around them and seeing the system as being fucked up, and there's nothing there for them, the only people who support them are the gangs.

And then you tell them not to commit crime.

It's like telling you to go swimming and not get wet.

People have choices, not everyone who is born and raised in poverty resorts to crime.

 

[Geaux4it]

It is really pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, you won't go to prison. Having sympathy for the criminal is wrong.

They estimate that most people commit crimes every day. However some kids are being born into impoverished inner city areas, into families with parents who don't care, or there's only one mother, and their education is poor for lots of reasons, like good teachers don't want to work there because of the crime, and the students are misbehaving and causing other students problems.

After all of this, they're looking around them and seeing the system as being fucked up, and there's nothing there for them, the only people who support them are the gangs.

And then you tell them not to commit crime.

It's like telling you to go swimming and not get wet.

People have choices, not everyone who is born and raised in poverty resorts to crime.

Bingo! Some pull up their pants and get with the program to succeed within our society.

They don't need no stinking excuses

-Geaux

 

[JQPublic1]

Which would be nice, wouldn't it. However reality is something quite different.

Why do you have different crime rates in different states?

Let's try and see if there's a pattern here. I'm going to put the position the state holds in terms of percentage of black population, the name of the state, then the position it holds in terms of homicide rate.

1) Mississippi 2nd
2) Louisiana 1st
3) Georgia 10th
4) Maryland 5th
5) South Carolina 4th
6) Alabama 9th
7) North Carolina 16th
8) Delaware 7th
9) Virginia 24th
10) Tennessee 11th

So, you can see that a high black population state generally has a higher murder rate.The problem is that Virginia in 9th has a murder rate at about the average. Why is this? Why is Georgia with the 3rd largest black population 10th in murder rates, but Delaware in 8th, with a 10% lower black population higher in murder rates?

The thing here that strikes me more than the high murder rates, is the fact that most of these states are in slavery country, segregation country, in the places where black people have been treated badly and will be treated badly.

Mississippi is 3rd in the number of people locked up, and spends $12,700 per inmate per year
Louisiana is 1st and spends $12,900
Georgia is 5th and spends $19,800
Maryland is 33rd and spends $26,300
South Carolina is 19th and spends $16,700
Alabama is 4th and spends $8,100

Again, we have different rates, nothing that says "this is the problem here", Louisiana spends little, locks up a lot and has a high murder rate. Georgia spends even less, locks up quite a lot and has a much lower murder rate, nearly half that of Louisiana but a black population of only 1% lower.

Mississippi spends $8,200 on education spending per person.
Louisiana spends $10,700
Georgia spends $9,200
Maryland spends $14,000
South Carolina spends $9,700
Alabama spends $9,000

They all don't spend very much on education, but again, Georgia has lower spending and lower murder rates. Hmmm....

So what is going on then? Nothing suggests there is one thing here that works.

You can go through all the statistics you like and you find loose patterns, but nothing which suggests this change. You need tons of statistics in order to get closer to the truth.

But then again, those whiter states which didn't have slavery, which spend more on education, are the states with lower murder rates. Is it because they're white, is it because they don't have people with a chip on their shoulder about slavery and segregation and have seen discrimination in their life time on a large scale, is it because the invest in their people? What is it?





https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/spe01.pdf
List of U.S. states by incarceration and correctional supervision rate - Wikipedia
List of U.S. states by African-American population - Wikipedia
List of U.S. states by homicide rate - Wikipedia
Education Spending Per Student by State

Slavery is not the issue, it has been gone for quite some time. Using this as an excuse for anything is wrong.

Okay, I wrote more than just about slavery.

I'm guessing you don't get why slavery IS an issue.

Black people know slavery existed. Black people know that white people were the ones who kept the slaves. Black people in the South know that it happened mostly in the South and they know that in the modern era that people walk around with Confederate flags, use racist language, join the KKK, and things that have connotations with slavery.

Now, you can pretend this isn't an issue, that slavery, segregation and the like don't have an impact on the minds of black Americans, but you'd be wrong.

I wrote a lot in my post, and your reply took three seconds. I don't appreciate that, I do understand there are lots of people who "know" lots of things, but won't read more than a few words in every post, and won't think about their answers beyond what they want to "know" about the world, and aren't looking for the truth. Such people annoy me, and are a waste of time replying to because they're never going to change their minds on anything, so what's the point?

I had a short reply because slavery IS NOT an issue, no whites today enslaved people. what the hell are you expecting people to change their minds about? we know slavery existed, it was horrid, it is over, it will never be forgotten but you cannot blame anyone on it today. what kind of "truth" are you looking for in people? You tend to ramble on without making much of a point.

Chattle slavery like that depicted in "Gone With the Wind" may no longer be legal but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.
But you missed the point made about people waving Confederate flags and celebrating Confederate Heroes and such. Those people continue to glorify slavery and all the ramifications it brings with it. So you are very naive if you think that mindset of someone who embellishes the rebel flag and waves it around it just playing around. And further..that extreme right wing populism that got Trump elected is as dangerous as the populism that gave the world a Hitler. Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

There will be racists, I can't change that. Slavery does NOT have anything to do with anyone today. How does the prison system keep slavery alive? Now are you saying they are innocently incarcerated?

Here is a link that supports my views:

How Prison Labor is the New American Slavery and Most of Us Unknowingly Support it

 

[JQPublic1]

Slavery is not the issue, it has been gone for quite some time. Using this as an excuse for anything is wrong.

Okay, I wrote more than just about slavery.

I'm guessing you don't get why slavery IS an issue.

Black people know slavery existed. Black people know that white people were the ones who kept the slaves. Black people in the South know that it happened mostly in the South and they know that in the modern era that people walk around with Confederate flags, use racist language, join the KKK, and things that have connotations with slavery.

Now, you can pretend this isn't an issue, that slavery, segregation and the like don't have an impact on the minds of black Americans, but you'd be wrong.

I wrote a lot in my post, and your reply took three seconds. I don't appreciate that, I do understand there are lots of people who "know" lots of things, but won't read more than a few words in every post, and won't think about their answers beyond what they want to "know" about the world, and aren't looking for the truth. Such people annoy me, and are a waste of time replying to because they're never going to change their minds on anything, so what's the point?

I had a short reply because slavery IS NOT an issue, no whites today enslaved people. what the hell are you expecting people to change their minds about? we know slavery existed, it was horrid, it is over, it will never be forgotten but you cannot blame anyone on it today. what kind of "truth" are you looking for in people? You tend to ramble on without making much of a point.

Chattle slavery like that depicted in "Gone With the Wind" may no longer be legal but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.
But you missed the point made about people waving Confederate flags and celebrating Confederate Heroes and such. Those people continue to glorify slavery and all the ramifications it brings with it. So you are very naive if you think that mindset of someone who embellishes the rebel flag and waves it around it just playing around. And further..that extreme right wing populism that got Trump elected is as dangerous as the populism that gave the world a Hitler. Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

There will be racists, I can't change that. Slavery does NOT have anything to do with anyone today. How does the prison system keep slavery alive? Now are you saying they are innocently incarcerated?

Imagine you have two situations. The same person is born into both situations. In one situation there is almost nothing they can do to stop themselves getting into crime. In another situation they'd go to school, get an education, leave school, get a job and never get in trouble with the police.

Is the system, is society, pushing people towards prison, crime etc?

Well, the answer is almost certainly yes. My are the Deep South states more likely to have higher crime, more likely to have lower education achievement, less likely to spend as much money on education, more likely to lock people up and then suffer the consequences of an attitude. And people's lives are being lost in this system. The same as people's lives were lost into the system of slavery.

The slavery in Europe where lords , nobles and kings ruled masses of peasants and serfs is a good example of which you speak.
But look what those peasants and serfs accomplished once tgey tasted freedom in the new world and were givenfree Indian lands. Blacks were promised the same thing ...40 acres and a mule...but that turned out to be a lie. Whites got their "freestuff" and complained loudly and violently when Blacks wanted their "freestuff."

 

[Auld Phart]

Okay, I wrote more than just about slavery.

I'm guessing you don't get why slavery IS an issue.

Black people know slavery existed. Black people know that white people were the ones who kept the slaves. Black people in the South know that it happened mostly in the South and they know that in the modern era that people walk around with Confederate flags, use racist language, join the KKK, and things that have connotations with slavery.

Now, you can pretend this isn't an issue, that slavery, segregation and the like don't have an impact on the minds of black Americans, but you'd be wrong.

I wrote a lot in my post, and your reply took three seconds. I don't appreciate that, I do understand there are lots of people who "know" lots of things, but won't read more than a few words in every post, and won't think about their answers beyond what they want to "know" about the world, and aren't looking for the truth. Such people annoy me, and are a waste of time replying to because they're never going to change their minds on anything, so what's the point?

I had a short reply because slavery IS NOT an issue, no whites today enslaved people. what the hell are you expecting people to change their minds about? we know slavery existed, it was horrid, it is over, it will never be forgotten but you cannot blame anyone on it today. what kind of "truth" are you looking for in people? You tend to ramble on without making much of a point.

Chattle slavery like that depicted in "Gone With the Wind" may no longer be legal but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.
But you missed the point made about people waving Confederate flags and celebrating Confederate Heroes and such. Those people continue to glorify slavery and all the ramifications it brings with it. So you are very naive if you think that mindset of someone who embellishes the rebel flag and waves it around it just playing around. And further..that extreme right wing populism that got Trump elected is as dangerous as the populism that gave the world a Hitler. Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

There will be racists, I can't change that. Slavery does NOT have anything to do with anyone today. How does the prison system keep slavery alive? Now are you saying they are innocently incarcerated?

Imagine you have two situations. The same person is born into both situations. In one situation there is almost nothing they can do to stop themselves getting into crime. In another situation they'd go to school, get an education, leave school, get a job and never get in trouble with the police.

Is the system, is society, pushing people towards prison, crime etc?

Well, the answer is almost certainly yes. My are the Deep South states more likely to have higher crime, more likely to have lower education achievement, less likely to spend as much money on education, more likely to lock people up and then suffer the consequences of an attitude. And people's lives are being lost in this system. The same as people's lives were lost into the system of slavery.

The slavery in Europe where lords , nobles and kings ruled masses of peasants and serfs is a good example of which you speak.
But look what those peasants and serfs accomplished once tgey tasted freedom in the new world and were givenfree Indian lands. Blacks were promised the same thing ...40 acres and a mule...but that turned out to be a lie. Whites got their "freestuff" and complained loudly and violently when Blacks wanted their "freestuff."

The slavery in Europe where lords , nobles and kings ruled masses of peasants and serfs is a good example of which you speak.

and in most cases, they outlawed slavery before we did.

 

[JQPublic1]

I had a short reply because slavery IS NOT an issue, no whites today enslaved people. what the hell are you expecting people to change their minds about? we know slavery existed, it was horrid, it is over, it will never be forgotten but you cannot blame anyone on it today. what kind of "truth" are you looking for in people? You tend to ramble on without making much of a point.

Chattle slavery like that depicted in "Gone With the Wind" may no longer be legal but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.
But you missed the point made about people waving Confederate flags and celebrating Confederate Heroes and such. Those people continue to glorify slavery and all the ramifications it brings with it. So you are very naive if you think that mindset of someone who embellishes the rebel flag and waves it around it just playing around. And further..that extreme right wing populism that got Trump elected is as dangerous as the populism that gave the world a Hitler. Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

There will be racists, I can't change that. Slavery does NOT have anything to do with anyone today. How does the prison system keep slavery alive? Now are you saying they are innocently incarcerated?

Imagine you have two situations. The same person is born into both situations. In one situation there is almost nothing they can do to stop themselves getting into crime. In another situation they'd go to school, get an education, leave school, get a job and never get in trouble with the police.

Is the system, is society, pushing people towards prison, crime etc?

Well, the answer is almost certainly yes. My are the Deep South states more likely to have higher crime, more likely to have lower education achievement, less likely to spend as much money on education, more likely to lock people up and then suffer the consequences of an attitude. And people's lives are being lost in this system. The same as people's lives were lost into the system of slavery.

The slavery in Europe where lords , nobles and kings ruled masses of peasants and serfs is a good example of which you speak.
But look what those peasants and serfs accomplished once tgey tasted freedom in the new world and were givenfree Indian lands. Blacks were promised the same thing ...40 acres and a mule...but that turned out to be a lie. Whites got their "freestuff" and complained loudly and violently when Blacks wanted their "freestuff."

The slavery in Europe where lords , nobles and kings ruled masses of peasants and serfs is a good example of which you speak.

and in most cases, they outlawed slavery before we did.

After the Russian revolution and after the storming of the Bastille...there was little choice .

 

[JQPublic1]

It is really pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, you won't go to prison. Having sympathy for the criminal is wrong.

They estimate that most people commit crimes every day. However some kids are being born into impoverished inner city areas, into families with parents who don't care, or there's only one mother, and their education is poor for lots of reasons, like good teachers don't want to work there because of the crime, and the students are misbehaving and causing other students problems.

After all of this, they're looking around them and seeing the system as being fucked up, and there's nothing there for them, the only people who support them are the gangs.

And then you tell them not to commit crime.

It's like telling you to go swimming and not get wet.

People have choices, not everyone who is born and raised in poverty resorts to crime.

Bingo! Some pull up their pants and get with the program to succeed within our society.

They don't need no stinking excuses

-Geaux

But you still call them niggas don't you?

 

[frigidweirdo]

It is really pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, you won't go to prison. Having sympathy for the criminal is wrong.

They estimate that most people commit crimes every day. However some kids are being born into impoverished inner city areas, into families with parents who don't care, or there's only one mother, and their education is poor for lots of reasons, like good teachers don't want to work there because of the crime, and the students are misbehaving and causing other students problems.

After all of this, they're looking around them and seeing the system as being fucked up, and there's nothing there for them, the only people who support them are the gangs.

And then you tell them not to commit crime.

It's like telling you to go swimming and not get wet.

People have choices, not everyone who is born and raised in poverty resorts to crime.

Bingo! Some pull up their pants and get with the program to succeed within our society.

They don't need no stinking excuses

-Geaux

And some people aren't born with great minds, they are born into stinking shit holes which the white people find rather ******* convenient.

 

[KissMy]

It is really pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, you won't go to prison. Having sympathy for the criminal is wrong.

You are to Stupid!! Shopping for a BB gun is not a crime, yet John Crawford was executed by police for it days before Michael Brown shooting. That was the #1 cause of Ferguson Riots & BLM. Your attitude would be much different if Black Police killed a White Man shopping for a BB gun!

Police don't get charged for executing Blacks for doing perfectly legal everyday things. So why should a Black person be a law abiding citizen if police will punish, arrest, beat or kill them anyway. They might as well take all they can before they get killed. YOLO

 

[Slyhunter]

How about regardless of race, don't commit a crime? The cops don't deliberately go out and just shoot people without reason.

Which would be nice, wouldn't it. However reality is something quite different.

Why do you have different crime rates in different states?

Let's try and see if there's a pattern here. I'm going to put the position the state holds in terms of percentage of black population, the name of the state, then the position it holds in terms of homicide rate.

1) Mississippi 2nd
2) Louisiana 1st
3) Georgia 10th
4) Maryland 5th
5) South Carolina 4th
6) Alabama 9th
7) North Carolina 16th
8) Delaware 7th
9) Virginia 24th
10) Tennessee 11th

So, you can see that a high black population state generally has a higher murder rate.The problem is that Virginia in 9th has a murder rate at about the average. Why is this? Why is Georgia with the 3rd largest black population 10th in murder rates, but Delaware in 8th, with a 10% lower black population higher in murder rates?

The thing here that strikes me more than the high murder rates, is the fact that most of these states are in slavery country, segregation country, in the places where black people have been treated badly and will be treated badly.

Mississippi is 3rd in the number of people locked up, and spends $12,700 per inmate per year
Louisiana is 1st and spends $12,900
Georgia is 5th and spends $19,800
Maryland is 33rd and spends $26,300
South Carolina is 19th and spends $16,700
Alabama is 4th and spends $8,100

Again, we have different rates, nothing that says "this is the problem here", Louisiana spends little, locks up a lot and has a high murder rate. Georgia spends even less, locks up quite a lot and has a much lower murder rate, nearly half that of Louisiana but a black population of only 1% lower.

Mississippi spends $8,200 on education spending per person.
Louisiana spends $10,700
Georgia spends $9,200
Maryland spends $14,000
South Carolina spends $9,700
Alabama spends $9,000

They all don't spend very much on education, but again, Georgia has lower spending and lower murder rates. Hmmm....

So what is going on then? Nothing suggests there is one thing here that works.

You can go through all the statistics you like and you find loose patterns, but nothing which suggests this change. You need tons of statistics in order to get closer to the truth.

But then again, those whiter states which didn't have slavery, which spend more on education, are the states with lower murder rates. Is it because they're white, is it because they don't have people with a chip on their shoulder about slavery and segregation and have seen discrimination in their life time on a large scale, is it because the invest in their people? What is it?





https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/spe01.pdf
List of U.S. states by incarceration and correctional supervision rate - Wikipedia
List of U.S. states by African-American population - Wikipedia
List of U.S. states by homicide rate - Wikipedia
Education Spending Per Student by State

Slavery is not the issue, it has been gone for quite some time. Using this as an excuse for anything is wrong.

Okay, I wrote more than just about slavery.

I'm guessing you don't get why slavery IS an issue.

Black people know slavery existed. Black people know that white people were the ones who kept the slaves. Black people in the South know that it happened mostly in the South and they know that in the modern era that people walk around with Confederate flags, use racist language, join the KKK, and things that have connotations with slavery.

Now, you can pretend this isn't an issue, that slavery, segregation and the like don't have an impact on the minds of black Americans, but you'd be wrong.

I wrote a lot in my post, and your reply took three seconds. I don't appreciate that, I do understand there are lots of people who "know" lots of things, but won't read more than a few words in every post, and won't think about their answers beyond what they want to "know" about the world, and aren't looking for the truth. Such people annoy me, and are a waste of time replying to because they're never going to change their minds on anything, so what's the point?

I had a short reply because slavery IS NOT an issue, no whites today enslaved people. what the hell are you expecting people to change their minds about? we know slavery existed, it was horrid, it is over, it will never be forgotten but you cannot blame anyone on it today. what kind of "truth" are you looking for in people? You tend to ramble on without making much of a point.

Chattle slavery like that depicted in "Gone With the Wind" may no longer be legal but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.
But you missed the point made about people waving Confederate flags and celebrating Confederate Heroes and such. Those people continue to glorify slavery and all the ramifications it brings with it. So you are very naive if you think that mindset of someone who embellishes the rebel flag and waves it around it just playing around. And further..that extreme right wing populism that got Trump elected is as dangerous as the populism that gave the world a Hitler. Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

A lot of the people who fly Confederate flags are Federalists. Trump is a Nationalist. They aren't ally's.

 

[MizMolly]

It is really pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, you won't go to prison. Having sympathy for the criminal is wrong.

You are to Stupid!! Shopping for a BB gun is not a crime, yet John Crawford was executed by police for it days before Michael Brown shooting. That was the #1 cause of Ferguson Riots & BLM. Your attitude would be much different if Black Police killed a White Man shopping for a BB gun!

Police don't get charged for executing Blacks for doing perfectly legal everyday things. So why should a Black person be a law abiding citizen if police will punish, arrest, beat or kill them anyway. They might as well take all they can before they get killed. YOLO

There are rogue cops, but they are the minority IMO. Michael Brown was not innocent.

 

[MizMolly]

It is really pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, you won't go to prison. Having sympathy for the criminal is wrong.

You are to Stupid!! Shopping for a BB gun is not a crime, yet John Crawford was executed by police for it days before Michael Brown shooting. That was the #1 cause of Ferguson Riots & BLM. Your attitude would be much different if Black Police killed a White Man shopping for a BB gun!

Police don't get charged for executing Blacks for doing perfectly legal everyday things. So why should a Black person be a law abiding citizen if police will punish, arrest, beat or kill them anyway. They might as well take all they can before they get killed. YOLO

Is this how you respond to anyone who doesn't see your side? Name calling?

 

[miketx]

Democrats always allow the nigs to tear up what they want.

 

[Geaux4it]

It is really pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, you won't go to prison. Having sympathy for the criminal is wrong.

They estimate that most people commit crimes every day. However some kids are being born into impoverished inner city areas, into families with parents who don't care, or there's only one mother, and their education is poor for lots of reasons, like good teachers don't want to work there because of the crime, and the students are misbehaving and causing other students problems.

After all of this, they're looking around them and seeing the system as being fucked up, and there's nothing there for them, the only people who support them are the gangs.

And then you tell them not to commit crime.

It's like telling you to go swimming and not get wet.

People have choices, not everyone who is born and raised in poverty resorts to crime.

Bingo! Some pull up their pants and get with the program to succeed within our society.

They don't need no stinking excuses

-Geaux

And some people aren't born with great minds, they are born into stinking shit holes which the white people find rather ******* convenient.

You mean the democrats right?

-Geaux

 

[Auld Phart]

Chattle slavery like that depicted in "Gone With the Wind" may no longer be legal but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.
But you missed the point made about people waving Confederate flags and celebrating Confederate Heroes and such. Those people continue to glorify slavery and all the ramifications it brings with it. So you are very naive if you think that mindset of someone who embellishes the rebel flag and waves it around it just playing around. And further..that extreme right wing populism that got Trump elected is as dangerous as the populism that gave the world a Hitler. Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

There will be racists, I can't change that. Slavery does NOT have anything to do with anyone today. How does the prison system keep slavery alive? Now are you saying they are innocently incarcerated?

Imagine you have two situations. The same person is born into both situations. In one situation there is almost nothing they can do to stop themselves getting into crime. In another situation they'd go to school, get an education, leave school, get a job and never get in trouble with the police.

Is the system, is society, pushing people towards prison, crime etc?

Well, the answer is almost certainly yes. My are the Deep South states more likely to have higher crime, more likely to have lower education achievement, less likely to spend as much money on education, more likely to lock people up and then suffer the consequences of an attitude. And people's lives are being lost in this system. The same as people's lives were lost into the system of slavery.

The slavery in Europe where lords , nobles and kings ruled masses of peasants and serfs is a good example of which you speak.
But look what those peasants and serfs accomplished once tgey tasted freedom in the new world and were givenfree Indian lands. Blacks were promised the same thing ...40 acres and a mule...but that turned out to be a lie. Whites got their "freestuff" and complained loudly and violently when Blacks wanted their "freestuff."

The slavery in Europe where lords , nobles and kings ruled masses of peasants and serfs is a good example of which you speak.

and in most cases, they outlawed slavery before we did.

After the Russian revolution and after the storming of the Bastille...there was little choice .

England abolished slavery in 1833.

Was that because of the storming of the Bastille, or the Russian Revolution?