List of Israeli officials between 1 AD and 1945

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"...Spoils of war ceased functioning in 1949..."
That is the naive approach, George, and it's a fine legal argument, but it has little connection to Reality.

It also fails to address real underlying issue:

The West has been giving (and continues to give) Israel a 'free pass' as a Johnny-come-lately arrival to the Spoils-of-War Club, as a Mea Culpa for the Holocaust, international law to the contrary and fairness and hypocrisy be damned.
 
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"...Can you explain how Arab Palestinians who were born and raised among families that have lived between the River and the sea for generations are Jordanian?..."
Sure, George, no problem.

"...Jordan formally annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem on April 24, 1950, giving all residents automatic Jordanian citizenship. West Bank residents had already received the right to claim Jordanian citizenship in December 1949..."

Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the 1967 Six-Day War began, the Israelis pleaded with the Jordanians NOT to join their Arab neighbors in attacking Israel, but, on Day Two, Jordan attacked anyway.

The Israelis kicked their asses, and Jordan lost the West Bank as a result of that warfare.

The Jordanians should have evacuated their citizens back onto Jordanian territory afterwards.

THAT is how West Bankers (actually, all Palestinians living between River and Sea) are actually Jordanian citizens - by declaration of the Jordanians themselves, and by acceptance of that citizenship (at the time) of the West Bankers and Gazans.

Hope that helps.

"...Why is it only Jews are afraid of free elections contested between roughly equal numbers of Arabs and Jews currently living in historical Palestine?"
Because there is a very good chance that the Jews would be out-voted and therefore lose control of their newly-recaptured country.

They have waited 1900 years to take it back, and they finally managed to do so after 1948.

They control the land, and they have the military muscle to enforce their will.

You simply HAVE to get over this odd insistence upon everything being 'fair'; it really does impede a practical understanding of 'what is'.

It is 'not fair' that the Palestinians are being squeezed off their lands and into Jordan and Lebanon.

But the Jews have had 1900 years of 'not fair' and during all that time nobody gave a rat's ass about them, so, now, it's their turn to return the favor, and the Muslim-Arab Palestinians drew the short straw, and were standing in the way.

The 65-year-old Troubles there are merely the long, drawn-out process of Expelling the Arabs to make room for the Jews.

The way the Jews and much of the rest of the world figure it, the Holy Land belonged to the Jews longer than anybody else, Jewish ownership of the Holy Land is embedded within the myth and legends and scripture of all three 'Peoples and Religions of the Book', they've had 1900 years of unspeakable suffering, they deserve a break and a place of their own, the Muslim-Arabs of Palestine have plenty of other neighboring lands to go to, to live amongst ethnic kin and co-religionists, and the Jews have nowhere else to go, as a People.

So the Jews get a lot more lattitude with regard to the Holy Land than anybody else would get in any other part of the world, by today's standards.

It's not 'fair', but it's the way things are, and the way things are likely to remain, for a very long time to come.

The Palestinians have been pissing upwind for 65 years now.

It's time for them to realize the futility of their position, pack up, and leave, to build better and happier lives for themselves, someplace else where they're actually wanted.

It's what happens to the Losers in a conflict, sometimes.

It ain't 'pretty', but it is Reality.
 
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Excellent explanation Kondor3 that even the most simple-minded of them on here hopefully will grasp, although these facts only stay in their brains for 10 minutes then leak out again.
 
How many Jews hold representative positions in any of the Arab nations?
None?
I thought so.
Keep complaining, God needs a good chuckle.

I love idiots who can't do a simple search before making themselves look like idiots.

Siamak Moreh Sedq, Iranian Jewish lawmaker.
Thanks for the chuckle.

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Hossfly ain't too smart about geographology but is Iran an Arab country and are they in the Arab League?
Is Puerto Rico an American State yet? So much to learn and so little time to learn it. Freddie has all the answers though, thank heavens.
 
"...Can you explain how Arab Palestinians who were born and raised among families that have lived between the River and the sea for generations are Jordanian?..."
Sure, George, no problem.

"...Jordan formally annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem on April 24, 1950, giving all residents automatic Jordanian citizenship. West Bank residents had already received the right to claim Jordanian citizenship in December 1949..."

Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the 1967 Six-Day War began, the Israelis pleaded with the Jordanians NOT to join their Arab neighbors in attacking Israel, but, on Day Two, Jordan attacked anyway.

The Israelis kicked their asses, and Jordan lost the West Bank as a result of that warfare.

The Jordanians should have evacuated their citizens back onto Jordanian territory afterwards.

THAT is how West Bankers (actually, all Palestinians living between River and Sea) are actually Jordanian citizens - by declaration of the Jordanians themselves, and by acceptance of that citizenship (at the time) of the West Bankers and Gazans.

Hope that helps.

"...Why is it only Jews are afraid of free elections contested between roughly equal numbers of Arabs and Jews currently living in historical Palestine?"
Because there is a very good chance that the Jews would be out-voted and therefore lose control of their newly-recaptured country.

They have waited 1900 years to take it back, and they finally managed to do so after 1948.

They control the land, and they have the military muscle to enforce their will.

You simply HAVE to get over this odd insistence upon everything being 'fair'; it really does impede a practical understanding of 'what is'.

It is 'not fair' that the Palestinians are being squeezed off their lands and into Jordan and Lebanon.

But the Jews have had 1900 years of 'not fair' and during all that time nobody gave a rat's ass about them, so, now, it's their turn to return the favor, and the Muslim-Arab Palestinians drew the short straw, and were standing in the way.

The 65-year-old Troubles there are merely the long, drawn-out process of Expelling the Arabs to make room for the Jews.

The way the Jews and much of the rest of the world figure it, the Holy Land belonged to the Jews longer than anybody else, Jewish ownership of the Holy Land is embedded within the myth and legends and scripture of all three 'Peoples and Religions of the Book', they've had 1900 years of unspeakable suffering, they deserve a break and a place of their own, the Muslim-Arabs of Palestine have plenty of other neighboring lands to go to, to live amongst ethnic kin and co-religionists, and the Jews have nowhere else to go, as a People.

So the Jews get a lot more lattitude with regard to the Holy Land than anybody else would get in any other part of the world, by today's standards.

It's not 'fair', but it's the way things are, and the way things are likely to remain, for a very long time to come.

The Palestinians have been pissing upwind for 65 years now.

It's time for them to realize the futility of their position, pack up, and leave, to build better and happier lives for themselves, someplace else where they're actually wanted.

It's what happens to the Losers in a conflict, sometimes.

It ain't 'pretty', but it is Reality.
Why don't you share a little of your version of "Reality" as it relates to the illegal Jordanian annexation of the West Bank in 1950 and how that relates to the citizenship of millions of Arab Palestinians living under the Jew's boot since that time?

"Jordan’s annexation was regarded as illegal and void by the Arab League and others. It was recognized only by Britain, Iraq and Pakistan.[4][5][6] The annexation of the West Bank more than doubled the population of Jordan.[3]"

Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
"...Why don't you share a little of your version of 'Reality' as it relates to the illegal Jordanian annexation of the West Bank in 1950..."
Got a chance to read-up on that in the meantime, didja?
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"...and how that relates to the citizenship of millions of Arab Palestinians living under the Jew's boot since that time?..."
They became Jordanian citizens in 1950 and should have fled after the 1967 War, and Jordan should have made arrangements to evacuate those who could not leave under their own power once the shooting stopped.

"...Jordan’s annexation was regarded as illegal and void by the Arab League and others. It was recognized only by Britain, Iraq and Pakistan..."
That same Wiki articles tells us that the Arab League, the UK, and the US all came to accept the Annexation in later years.
 
"...Why don't you share a little of your version of 'Reality' as it relates to the illegal Jordanian annexation of the West Bank in 1950..."
Got a chance to read-up on that in the meantime, didja?
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"...and how that relates to the citizenship of millions of Arab Palestinians living under the Jew's boot since that time?..."
They became Jordanian citizens in 1950 and should have fled after the 1967 War, and Jordan should have made arrangements to evacuate those who could not leave under their own power once the shooting stopped.

"...Jordan’s annexation was regarded as illegal and void by the Arab League and others. It was recognized only by Britain, Iraq and Pakistan..."
That same Wiki articles tells us that the Arab League, the UK, and the US all came to accept the Annexation in later years.
So your argument amounts to saying the same imperialists who blinked when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation by force of arms on twice as many Arabs in Palestine blinked twice when Jordan's royal whore attempted an illegal annexation?

"Jordan formally annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem on April 24, 1950, giving all residents automatic Jordanian citizenship. West Bank residents had already received the right to claim Jordanian citizenship in December 1949.

"Jordan’s annexation was widely regarded as illegal and void by the Arab League and others. Elihu Lauterpacht, an international legal expert, described it as a move that 'entirely lacked legal justification.'[15]

"The annexation formed part of Jordan’s 'Greater Syria Plan' expansionist policy,[16] and in response, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Syria joined Egypt in demanding Jordan’s expulsion from the Arab League.[17][18] A motion to expel Jordan from the League was prevented by the dissenting votes of Yemen and Iraq.[16]

"On June 12, 1950, the Arab League declared the annexation was a temporary, practical measure and that Jordan was holding the territory as a 'trustee' pending a future settlement.[19][20]

"On July 27, 1953, King Hussein of Jordan announced that East Jerusalem was 'the alternative capital of the Hashemite Kingdom' and would form an 'integral and inseparable part' of Jordan.[21]

"In an address to parliament in Jerusalem in 1960, Hussein called the city the 'second capital of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan'".

How do you suppose Jerusalem Jews feel about that second capital today?

Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
"...So your argument amounts to saying the same imperialists who blinked when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation by force of arms on twice as many Arabs in Palestine blinked twice when Jordan's royal whore attempted an illegal annexation?..."
Ummmm... OK... I'll buy that... although 'intentionally looked the other way' might be more accurate than 'blinked'.

"...How do you suppose Jerusalem Jews feel about that second capital today?..."
If you are referring to how the Jews perceive the Jordanian King's intention to make Jerusalem the second capital of the Hashemite Kingdom, as referenced in the Wiki article, then, my guess, is, they don't think of it AT ALL nowadays; given that the concept is no longer operative within the realm of Reality, and has not been, since 1967 - other than in nightclub stand-up comedy routines, anyway.
 
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How many Jews hold representative positions in any of the Arab nations?
None?
I thought so.
Keep complaining, God needs a good chuckle.

I love idiots who can't do a simple search before making themselves look like idiots.

Siamak Moreh Sedq, Iranian Jewish lawmaker.
Thanks for the chuckle.

w...iranjews-112013.jpg
Hossfly ain't too smart about geographology but is Iran an Arab country and are they in the Arab League?
Is Puerto Rico an American State yet? So much to learn and so little time to learn it. Freddie has all the answers though, thank heavens.

And besides that, how can all those Palestinians come from Jordan when there was no Jordan until 1946?
 


On the establishment of the State, its founders proclaimed "...the renewal of the Jewish State in the Land of Israel, which would open wide the gates of the homeland to every Jew..."

The Law of Return (1950) grants every Jew, wherever he may be, the right to come to Israel as an oleh (a Jew immigrating to Israel) and become an Israeli citizen.

For the purposes of this Law, "Jew" means a person who was born of a Jewish mother, or has converted to Judaism and is not a member of another religion.



But no one else.
Any country that allows someone who has never been near it, right of return because of their religion, is a bigoted entity and should be subject to sanctions until they chance their position.

However, there may be a little good news here.
Israeli's population is about 8 million so, if a large number of Muslims, say 9 million, pretend to convert, use the bigoted Israeli law to claim right of return then wait until the next election.

We could then vote for out lad who'll immediately remove all settlements from the occupied lands, free the people of Gaza from the collective punishment fence and
return to the '67 borders.

Screw Israel's crap government and their murderous policies.

Evidently Freddie doesn't believe that a country should have a right to set their own immigration policies. Maybe if the U.S., Canadian and European citizens had a right to vote on it, they would vote to not let any more Muslims into their countries. Naturally, Freddie the good Muslim convert, would never say screw any Muslim country for their murderous policies. Freddie is probably happy that the good Muslim country of Pakistan (to whom we give big bucks to help fight terrorists) has jailed the doctor who told the U.S. where Bin Laden was hiding. In the civilized world, this man would be treated as a hero, but in the Muslim world he is treated as a criminal.
Hero doctor who helped nail Bin Laden tortured in Pakistani prison, says family | Fox News
 
I love idiots who can't do a simple search before making themselves look like idiots.

Siamak Moreh Sedq, Iranian Jewish lawmaker.
Thanks for the chuckle.

w...iranjews-112013.jpg
Hossfly ain't too smart about geographology but is Iran an Arab country and are they in the Arab League?
Is Puerto Rico an American State yet? So much to learn and so little time to learn it. Freddie has all the answers though, thank heavens.

And besides that, how can all those Palestinians come from Jordan when there was no Jordan until 1946?
Why, Tinnie, those so-called Palestinians were just called Arabs and they came from many of the surrounding countries. Jordan was just part of the Palestine Mandate (and let's not forget that the Hashemites from Saudi Arabia were given 78% of the area to rule over). By the way, why do you think one of the Egyptians leaders was calling for the "Palestinians" to come back to Egypt. I imagine that he knew the truth. Hmm, wonder how many people in Gaza have common Egyptian names. Perhaps Tinnie is knowledgeable about this, and could also tell us how many of the Gazans still have relatives in Egypt whom they visit when Egypt allows them to enter. The Gazans didn't seem to have a problem when Egypt was governing their area. Could it be because the Egyptians are Muslims and the Gazans didn't mind this one bit? I don't think anyone saw the Gazans clamoring to be free of Egyptian rule, but maybe Tinnie has some documents about this.
 
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And there is is.
If Freddie is going so far back, he will be able to give us a list of all the Arab officials since 1 A.D. up to 1945. We have to also remember that the Turks weren't Arab. Maybe he would like to also give us a list of all the officials from 1 AD up to the time the Arabs left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded the surrounding countries. Can you do that Freddie? I realize that you, as a devout Muslim convert, really doesn't care that the Arabs invaded countries, forcing the people to convert to Islam and killing many who refused, but since you are now acting as an historian, you can tell us all about the Muslim conquests of the Middle East countries.

The fact the Palestians were ruled by a colonial power doesn't mean they weren't there.
Jewish rule was by mass immigration, displacing the Arab population and terrorism.
 
I love idiots who can't do a simple search before making themselves look like idiots.

Siamak Moreh Sedq, Iranian Jewish lawmaker.
Thanks for the chuckle.

w...iranjews-112013.jpg
Hossfly ain't too smart about geographology but is Iran an Arab country and are they in the Arab League?
Is Puerto Rico an American State yet? So much to learn and so little time to learn it. Freddie has all the answers though, thank heavens.

And besides that, how can all those Palestinians come from Jordan when there was no Jordan until 1946?

They came from all the surrounding areas genus... the Jews built the Arabs came

Winston Churchill observed in 1939: "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Then came 1948 and the great partition.
 
Hossfly ain't too smart about geographology but is Iran an Arab country and are they in the Arab League?
Is Puerto Rico an American State yet? So much to learn and so little time to learn it. Freddie has all the answers though, thank heavens.

And besides that, how can all those Palestinians come from Jordan when there was no Jordan until 1946?

They came from all the surrounding areas genus... the Jews built the Arabs came

Winston Churchill observed in 1939: "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Then came 1948 and the great partition.
Why Winnie the racist loved Jews

"hould there be created in our own life rime by the banks of the Jordan a Jewish State under the protection of the British Crown, which might comprise three or four millions of Jews, an event would have occurred in the history of the world which would, from every point of view, be beneficial, and would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire."

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Hidden_Roots_Zionism.htm
 
Didn't Mark Twain observe, back in the late 1800s, that Palestine was pretty much a ghost-town?
 
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But no one else.
Any country that allows someone who has never been near it, right of return because of their religion, is a bigoted entity and should be subject to sanctions until they chance their position.
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What about by Ethnicity?
Jews are an Ethnic group as well as religion.
I have elaborated on Just the first two and 'palestine', but on it goes.

Right of return - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2.1 Armenia -
"Individuals of Armenian origin shall acquire citizenship of the Republic of Armenia through a simplified procedure."
2.2 Belarus
"permanent residence term requirements may be waived for Ethnic Belarusians and descendants of Ethnic Belarusians born abroad.
2.3 Bulgaria

2.4 People's Republic of China
2.5 Croatia
2.6 Cyprus
2.7 Czech Republic
2.8 Diego Garcia's Chagossians
2.9 Finland
2.10 France

2.11 Germany
2.12 Greece
2.13 Hungary

2.14 India
2.15 Iraq
2.15.1 Iraqi Kurdistan
2.16 Ireland
2.17 Israel

2.18 Japan
2.19 Kazakhstan
2.20 Lithuania
2.21 Norway
2.22 Palestine
Supporters of a Palestinian right of return Argue that refugees, displaced persons, and all their descendants have a right to return and a right to property they left or were forced to leave in what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories (formerly part of the British Mandate of Palestine) as result of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War and the 1967 Six-Day war.
As a rebuttal to Resolution 194 being used in support, opponents note that General Assembly resolutions are not legally binding and usually have no force as international law.
Although the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights claim that the right of return to one's own country is a human right, Numerous scholars have interpreted this to mean citizens or nationals of the country, as well as applying Only to the individuals who were personally displaced, Not to their descendants.

And I might add, Palestine was never a 'Country' since it was 'Israel', it was a Geographic designation/territory/region.. like 'Antartica' or 'The Caucasus'.
Anyone have "Right of Return" to the Caucasus? http://www.mobot.org/MOBOT/Research/caucasus/images/Caucasus_Borders4.jpg
And most 'palestinians' already/still live in geographic palestine/Israel, just many are the also uncovered-by-Return 'internally displaced.

2.23 Poland
2.24 Portugal
2.25 Romania
2.26 Russia
2.27 Serbia
2.28 Spain
2.29 Taiwan (Republic of China)
2.30 Ukraine

2.31 United Kingdom
2.32 Other
- South Korea
- Moldova
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Liberia

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David Horowitz, editor of that rag, ex communist (maybe Marxist), turned far right winger when he realised there was more cash in it.

Yep, that's worth a read - not.


I have found it amusing how the Muslims can't seem to accept anything when it has been written by a Jew or someone else who is pro Israel and invariably make a negative comment, but they sure lap up the things written by other Muslims and anti-Semites. How about, Fred, something written about a man who has direct contact with the Iranian Jews? Would you believe him or would you dismiss what he has to say because he happens to be a Jew. Frank Nikbakht is the cousin of an Iranian Jew who used to post on a discussion board. Why not research what he has to say about the Jews still living in Iran?
 
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