List of Israeli officials between 1 AD and 1945

[P F Tinmore]

Israel however, does have internationally recognized borders:

The internationally recognized border between Egypt and Israel was eventually demarcated as part of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty. The border between Israel and Jordan (except for Jordan's border with the post-1967 West Bank) was demarcated as part of the Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty.

1949 Armistice Agreements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the link.

On 15 July when the Israeli Army expelled the population of Wadi Fukin after the village had been transferred to the Israeli-occupied area under the terms of the Armistice Agreement ...

Interesting that they did not say "state of Israel" in 1949.

Huh? Tinmore we're talking about Palestines borders and I just debunked your lie. Why change the subject?

You didn't debunk anything.

 

[toastman]

I sure did. Of course, you always think you're right and everyone else is wrong.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I sure did. Of course, you always think you're right and everyone else is wrong.

What did you debunk?

 

[toastman]

Wow, you really have a hard time keeping up

 

[toastman]

I debunked your claim in post 70 thT the Armistice Agreements reinforced Palestines international borders. Read my responses to that claim.
Good night I'm going to bed. I'll be more than happy to continue this debate tomorrow

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wow, you really have a hard time keeping up

You claimed that you debunked something without mentioning what it was.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I debunked your claim in post 70 thT the Armistice Agreements reinforced Palestines international borders. Read my responses to that claim.
Good night I'm going to bed. I'll be more than happy to continue this debate tomorrow

From your link: 1949 Armistice Agreements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The armistice demarcation line was drawn for the most part along the 1922 international border between Egypt and Palestine,...

The armistice line ("Green Line", see also Blue Line (Lebanon)) was drawn along the international boundary between Lebanon and Palestine.

What did you debunk?

 

[toastman]

Wow Tinmore. Again ??

 

[georgephillip]

How many Jews lived in Palestine in 1920, Jackal?

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill.

"This point of
view was eloquently articulated by Ze'ev
Jabotinsky (the founder of the Israeli political Right), who wrote in 1926:

" ... the tragedy lies in the fact the there is a collision here
between two truths .... but our justice is greater. The Arabs is culturally
backward, but his instinctive patriotism is just as pure and noble as our own;
it can not be bought, it can only be curbed ... force majeure."
(Righteous
Victims, p. 108)"

A Jewish Majority By All Means - Palestine Remembered

 

[georgephillip]

Just did. Those were Israeli officials, or officials who represented the people of Israel who had been invaded or under occupation. Therefore confirming a direct line of Jewish presence from the ancient Jews to today.

Go back and tell your mosque imam he fed you total bullshit, you ignorant donkey.

How many Jews lived in Palestine in 1920, Jackal?

"In 1920, the League of Nations' Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that there were hardly 700,000 people living in Palestine:

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ. Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages.

"Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems.

"A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

"The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000.

Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ready for the big BATH, Golda?

The land was Jewish land for 3000 years and Jews maintained a presence and leadership throughout the millennia. Who cares about Muslims invading and reproducing faster than cockroaches, JACKASS? They're already doing that here in the US and the West. Does that make it THEIR LAND? No.

Fact is, the "four fifths" you are lying about included Jordan. And when Muslims got their Arab Palestine in Jordan, it wasn't four fifths any longer. And then the entire Arab world attacked the newly re established state of Israel, and got their butts handed to them.

Now put your right hand on your chest and repeat after me:

God...Bless...Israel.

Hasbara, how much "leadership" did the "presence" of 93,000 Jews in Palestine provide for the 723,000 non-Jews? Jews migrated to Palestine with the sole purpose of displacing the Arab which they accomplished in 1948. Had five Arab armies not intervened your people would have stolen the Jordan Valley a generation sooner. You might need another to steal Jordan, but I'm sure that won't prevent you from trying.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

How many Jews lived in Palestine in 1920, Jackal?

"In 1920, the League of Nations' Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that there were hardly 700,000 people living in Palestine:

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ. Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages.

"Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems.

"A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

"The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000.

Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ready for the big BATH, Golda?

The land was Jewish land for 3000 years and Jews maintained a presence and leadership throughout the millennia. Who cares about Muslims invading and reproducing faster than cockroaches, JACKASS? They're already doing that here in the US and the West. Does that make it THEIR LAND? No.

Fact is, the "four fifths" you are lying about included Jordan. And when Muslims got their Arab Palestine in Jordan, it wasn't four fifths any longer. And then the entire Arab world attacked the newly re established state of Israel, and got their butts handed to them.

Now put your right hand on your chest and repeat after me:

God...Bless...Israel.

Hasbara, how much "leadership" did the "presence" of 93,000 Jews in Palestine provide for the 723,000 non-Jews? Jews migrated to Palestine with the sole purpose of displacing the Arab which they accomplished in 1948. Had five Arab armies not intervened your people would have stolen the Jordan Valley a generation sooner. You might need another to steal Jordan, but I'm sure that won't prevent you from trying.

The fact is that there were almost 100,000 Jews in Palestine, and they got back the Promised Land. It's not as if the "poor" Arabs had absolutely no country to call their own.

 

[Roudy]

Let us hear what other Arabs have said.

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:
"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".


"There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough".
-Joseph Farah, Arab writer and Journalist

 

[georgephillip]

The land was Jewish land for 3000 years and Jews maintained a presence and leadership throughout the millennia. Who cares about Muslims invading and reproducing faster than cockroaches, JACKASS? They're already doing that here in the US and the West. Does that make it THEIR LAND? No.

Fact is, the "four fifths" you are lying about included Jordan. And when Muslims got their Arab Palestine in Jordan, it wasn't four fifths any longer. And then the entire Arab world attacked the newly re established state of Israel, and got their butts handed to them.

Now put your right hand on your chest and repeat after me:

God...Bless...Israel.

Hasbara, how much "leadership" did the "presence" of 93,000 Jews in Palestine provide for the 723,000 non-Jews? Jews migrated to Palestine with the sole purpose of displacing the Arab which they accomplished in 1948. Had five Arab armies not intervened your people would have stolen the Jordan Valley a generation sooner. You might need another to steal Jordan, but I'm sure that won't prevent you from trying.

The fact is that there were almost 100,000 Jews in Palestine, and they got back the Promised Land. It's not as if the "poor" Arabs had absolutely no country to call their own.

They got back their Promised Land through a deliberate policy designed to create a Jewish majority in place of the 7:1 Arab majority that was present in Palestine at that time. This was accomplished by a sustained and systematic program of ethnic cleansing supported by the founders of the Jewish state:

A Jewish Majority By All Means - Palestine Remembered

"As early as the mid-1920s, many of the early Zionists recognized
that the realization of Zionism constituted an injustice upon the Palestinian
people, but they had concluded that Jewish justice is greater. This point of
view was eloquently articulated by Ze'ev
Jabotinsky (the founder of the Israeli political Right), who wrote in 1926:

" ... the tragedy lies in the fact the there is a collision here
between two truths .... but our justice is greater. The Arabs is culturally
backward, but his instinctive patriotism is just as pure and noble as our own;
it can not be bought, it can only be curbed ... force majeure."
(Righteous
Victims, p. 108)

Force majeur: "[French, A superior or irresistible power.] An event that is a result of the elements of nature, as opposed to one caused by human behavior."

Do you agree Jewish justice trumps Arab justice?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The land was Jewish land for 3000 years and Jews maintained a presence and leadership throughout the millennia. Who cares about Muslims invading and reproducing faster than cockroaches, JACKASS? They're already doing that here in the US and the West. Does that make it THEIR LAND? No.

Fact is, the "four fifths" you are lying about included Jordan. And when Muslims got their Arab Palestine in Jordan, it wasn't four fifths any longer. And then the entire Arab world attacked the newly re established state of Israel, and got their butts handed to them.

Now put your right hand on your chest and repeat after me:

God...Bless...Israel.

Hasbara, how much "leadership" did the "presence" of 93,000 Jews in Palestine provide for the 723,000 non-Jews? Jews migrated to Palestine with the sole purpose of displacing the Arab which they accomplished in 1948. Had five Arab armies not intervened your people would have stolen the Jordan Valley a generation sooner. You might need another to steal Jordan, but I'm sure that won't prevent you from trying.

The fact is that there were almost 100,000 Jews in Palestine, and they got back the Promised Land. It's not as if the "poor" Arabs had absolutely no country to call their own.

Excellent question @ 20:35

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWj5sb3y1LU]CrossTalk on Isralestine: What Occupation? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RoccoR]

toastman, P F Tinmore, et al,

You cannot argue points like this with P F Tinmore. He follows the Covenant to the letter.

Wow Tinmore. Again ??

(COMMENT)

The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has a narrow perspective.

The HoAP believe that all the territory, formerly under LoN Mandate to the UK, less the Hashemite Kingdom, is Arab territory, subject to Arab Rule as an Islamic Waqf (an inalienable religious endowment) under Shira Law.

• The HoAP believe that the this territory, arbitrarily defined by the Allied Powers, has somehow become indivisible, and not subject to any partition by the Allied Powers which originally defined the territory.
  
• The HoAP have made a solemn vow never to recognize the validity of the partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
• The HoAP consider that the establishment a Jewish State in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense by force. The Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip is merely defined for political convenience; but in reality - that ALL of Israel is occupied Arab Land.
  
• The HoAP believes that in the process of executing their right to self-determination, every Arab in Palestine is to oppose, by any and all means, the partition of that former territory under Mandate; and that the establishment of Israel is illegal.
  
• The HoAP have made a solemn declaration never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.
  
  “The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child."​
• The HoAP believe that only the Palestinian has the right to self-determination in the former Mandate Territory.
  
• The HoAP do not recognize the The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed "null and void;" including the Partition Plan.

Until some aspect of the Arab-Palestinian people comes to the understanding that peace is a better choice than conflict, the Arab-Palestinian should be quarantined until the threat posed has passed.

While I hope that the ongoing talks come to a settlement, I see a quasi-Government and people in chaos that do not support any facet of peace and consistently make claims to rights and honors that they simply cannot support as a peaceful people.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[georgephillip]

toastman, P F Tinmore, et al,

You cannot argue points like this with P F Tinmore. He follows the Covenant to the letter.

Wow Tinmore. Again ??

(COMMENT)

The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has a narrow perspective.

The HoAP believe that all the territory, formerly under LoN Mandate to the UK, less the Hashemite Kingdom, is Arab territory, subject to Arab Rule as an Islamic Waqf (an inalienable religious endowment) under Shira Law.

• The HoAP believe that the this territory, arbitrarily defined by the Allied Powers, has somehow become indivisible, and not subject to any partition by the Allied Powers which originally defined the territory.
  
• The HoAP have made a solemn vow never to recognize the validity of the partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
• The HoAP consider that the establishment a Jewish State in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense by force. The Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip is merely defined for political convenience; but in reality - that ALL of Israel is occupied Arab Land.
  
• The HoAP believes that in the process of executing their right to self-determination, every Arab in Palestine is to oppose, by any and all means, the partition of that former territory under Mandate; and that the establishment of Israel is illegal.
  
• The HoAP have made a solemn declaration never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.
  
  “The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child."​
• The HoAP believe that only the Palestinian has the right to self-determination in the former Mandate Territory.
  
• The HoAP do not recognize the The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed "null and void;" including the Partition Plan.

Until some aspect of the Arab-Palestinian people comes to the understanding that peace is a better choice than conflict, the Arab-Palestinian should be quarantined until the threat posed has passed.

While I hope that the ongoing talks come to a settlement, I see a quasi-Government and people in chaos that do not support any facet of peace and consistently make claims to rights and honors that they simply cannot support as a peaceful people.

Most Respectfully,
R

Would a peaceful people impose a death zone in order to facilitate their colonization of an indigenous population?

"Published: 1 Jan 2013
"Death zones" near the fence

"Since the outbreak of the second intifada, in late September 2000, Israeli security forces have killed at least 284 Palestinians near the Gaza Strip perimeter fence. At least 117 of the fatalities were civilians (including twenty-three minors) who were not taking part in the hostilities.

"The large number of cases indicates, apparently, that the IDF has classified substantial areas near the fence as 'death zones,' i.e., soldiers are under standing orders to fire at any person who enters the area, regardless of the circumstances.

"IDF officials, among them Judge Advocate General Avihai Mandeblit, vociferously deny that any such order has been given. However, the killings in the area since disengagement belie the army's denial."

The Hostilities in Gaza since disengagement | B'Tselem

 

[P F Tinmore]

toastman, P F Tinmore, et al,

You cannot argue points like this with P F Tinmore. He follows the Covenant to the letter.

Wow Tinmore. Again ??

(COMMENT)

The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has a narrow perspective.

The HoAP believe that all the territory, formerly under LoN Mandate to the UK, less the Hashemite Kingdom, is Arab territory, subject to Arab Rule as an Islamic Waqf (an inalienable religious endowment) under Shira Law.

• The HoAP believe that the this territory, arbitrarily defined by the Allied Powers, has somehow become indivisible, and not subject to any partition by the Allied Powers which originally defined the territory.
  
• The HoAP have made a solemn vow never to recognize the validity of the partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
• The HoAP consider that the establishment a Jewish State in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense by force. The Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip is merely defined for political convenience; but in reality - that ALL of Israel is occupied Arab Land.
  
• The HoAP believes that in the process of executing their right to self-determination, every Arab in Palestine is to oppose, by any and all means, the partition of that former territory under Mandate; and that the establishment of Israel is illegal.
  
• The HoAP have made a solemn declaration never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.
  
  “The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child."​
• The HoAP believe that only the Palestinian has the right to self-determination in the former Mandate Territory.
  
• The HoAP do not recognize the The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed "null and void;" including the Partition Plan.

Until some aspect of the Arab-Palestinian people comes to the understanding that peace is a better choice than conflict, the Arab-Palestinian should be quarantined until the threat posed has passed.

While I hope that the ongoing talks come to a settlement, I see a quasi-Government and people in chaos that do not support any facet of peace and consistently make claims to rights and honors that they simply cannot support as a peaceful people.

Most Respectfully,
R

Would a peaceful people impose a death zone in order to facilitate their colonization of an indigenous population?

"Published: 1 Jan 2013
"Death zones" near the fence

"Since the outbreak of the second intifada, in late September 2000, Israeli security forces have killed at least 284 Palestinians near the Gaza Strip perimeter fence. At least 117 of the fatalities were civilians (including twenty-three minors) who were not taking part in the hostilities.

"The large number of cases indicates, apparently, that the IDF has classified substantial areas near the fence as 'death zones,' i.e., soldiers are under standing orders to fire at any person who enters the area, regardless of the circumstances.

"IDF officials, among them Judge Advocate General Avihai Mandeblit, vociferously deny that any such order has been given. However, the killings in the area since disengagement belie the army's denial."

The Hostilities in Gaza since disengagement | B'Tselem

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhHe7-fHgEg]Gaza farmers work under Israeli fire - Press TV News - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

You cannot argue points like this with P F Tinmore. He follows the Covenant to the letter.

Indeed, I am not one to give the criminal class a pass.

 

[georgephillip]

toastman, P F Tinmore, et al,

You cannot argue points like this with P F Tinmore. He follows the Covenant to the letter.


(COMMENT)

The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has a narrow perspective.

The HoAP believe that all the territory, formerly under LoN Mandate to the UK, less the Hashemite Kingdom, is Arab territory, subject to Arab Rule as an Islamic Waqf (an inalienable religious endowment) under Shira Law.

• The HoAP believe that the this territory, arbitrarily defined by the Allied Powers, has somehow become indivisible, and not subject to any partition by the Allied Powers which originally defined the territory.
  
• The HoAP have made a solemn vow never to recognize the validity of the partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
• The HoAP consider that the establishment a Jewish State in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense by force. The Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip is merely defined for political convenience; but in reality - that ALL of Israel is occupied Arab Land.
  
• The HoAP believes that in the process of executing their right to self-determination, every Arab in Palestine is to oppose, by any and all means, the partition of that former territory under Mandate; and that the establishment of Israel is illegal.
  
• The HoAP have made a solemn declaration never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.
  
  “The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child."​
• The HoAP believe that only the Palestinian has the right to self-determination in the former Mandate Territory.
  
• The HoAP do not recognize the The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed "null and void;" including the Partition Plan.

Until some aspect of the Arab-Palestinian people comes to the understanding that peace is a better choice than conflict, the Arab-Palestinian should be quarantined until the threat posed has passed.

While I hope that the ongoing talks come to a settlement, I see a quasi-Government and people in chaos that do not support any facet of peace and consistently make claims to rights and honors that they simply cannot support as a peaceful people.

Most Respectfully,
R

Would a peaceful people impose a death zone in order to facilitate their colonization of an indigenous population?

"Published: 1 Jan 2013
"Death zones" near the fence

"Since the outbreak of the second intifada, in late September 2000, Israeli security forces have killed at least 284 Palestinians near the Gaza Strip perimeter fence. At least 117 of the fatalities were civilians (including twenty-three minors) who were not taking part in the hostilities.

"The large number of cases indicates, apparently, that the IDF has classified substantial areas near the fence as 'death zones,' i.e., soldiers are under standing orders to fire at any person who enters the area, regardless of the circumstances.

"IDF officials, among them Judge Advocate General Avihai Mandeblit, vociferously deny that any such order has been given. However, the killings in the area since disengagement belie the army's denial."

The Hostilities in Gaza since disengagement | B'Tselem

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhHe7-fHgEg]Gaza farmers work under Israeli fire - Press TV News - YouTube[/ame]

Even more than food, water is an inalienable human right.

"...Water supplied in Gaza unfit for drinking; Israel prevents entry of materials needed to repair system


"Published: 23 Aug 2010

"Almost 95 percent of the water pumped in the Gaza Strip is polluted and unfit for drinking. This warning was recently issued by the UN Environment Programme, the Palestinian Water Authority, the Coastal Municipalities Water Utility, and international aid organizations.

"They estimate it will take at least 20 years to rehabilitate Gaza's underground water system, and any delay in dealing with the problem will lead to additional deterioration in the situation and thus might extend the rehabilitation process for hundreds of years.

"Since it began its siege on the Gaza Strip, in June 2007, Israel has forbidden the entry of equipment and materials needed to rehabilitate the water and wastewater-treatment systems there.

"The prohibition has remained despite the recent easing of the siege."

23 August 2010: Water supplied in Gaza unfit for drinking; Israel prevents entry of materials needed to repair system | B'Tselem

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Would a peaceful people impose a death zone in order to facilitate their colonization of an indigenous population?

"Published: 1 Jan 2013
"Death zones" near the fence

"Since the outbreak of the second intifada, in late September 2000, Israeli security forces have killed at least 284 Palestinians near the Gaza Strip perimeter fence. At least 117 of the fatalities were civilians (including twenty-three minors) who were not taking part in the hostilities.

"The large number of cases indicates, apparently, that the IDF has classified substantial areas near the fence as 'death zones,' i.e., soldiers are under standing orders to fire at any person who enters the area, regardless of the circumstances.

"IDF officials, among them Judge Advocate General Avihai Mandeblit, vociferously deny that any such order has been given. However, the killings in the area since disengagement belie the army's denial."

The Hostilities in Gaza since disengagement | B'Tselem

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhHe7-fHgEg]Gaza farmers work under Israeli fire - Press TV News - YouTube[/ame]

Even more than food, water is an inalienable human right.

"...Water supplied in Gaza unfit for drinking; Israel prevents entry of materials needed to repair system


"Published: 23 Aug 2010

"Almost 95 percent of the water pumped in the Gaza Strip is polluted and unfit for drinking. This warning was recently issued by the UN Environment Programme, the Palestinian Water Authority, the Coastal Municipalities Water Utility, and international aid organizations.

"They estimate it will take at least 20 years to rehabilitate Gaza's underground water system, and any delay in dealing with the problem will lead to additional deterioration in the situation and thus might extend the rehabilitation process for hundreds of years.

"Since it began its siege on the Gaza Strip, in June 2007, Israel has forbidden the entry of equipment and materials needed to rehabilitate the water and wastewater-treatment systems there.

"The prohibition has remained despite the recent easing of the siege."

23 August 2010: Water supplied in Gaza unfit for drinking; Israel prevents entry of materials needed to repair system | B'Tselem

Please take this water issue to a new thread. This thread is about Israeli officials who have ruled Israel continuously for the past 3,000 years.