Liberty or Fascism

[Oddball]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

Straw man argument....Nobody said anything about pure or perfect candidates.

Fact is that all the republican "half-a-loaf" candidates don't govern any better than the socialistic democrats they claim to oppose.

You want to vote for evil, that's your problem.

 

[Vox]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

Straw man argument....Nobody said anything about pure or perfect candidates.

Fact is that all the republican "half-a-loaf" candidates don't govern any better than the socialistic democrats they claim to oppose.

You want to vote for evil, that's your problem.

Libertarian candidates are UNELECTABLE.
But they are considered pure by you and the likes.

Welcome to United Soviet Socialist States of America in the next 10 years.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

Vox, you're talking to the wrong person. I abhor abortion but I support the Libertarian platform of the liberty to choose and so if a pro-choice Libertarian candidate comes along on the basis of FREEDOM to choose without having the Government enforce morality, I support that candidate. So I'm not looking for a purist.. You need to look at the GOP STATISTS and find that ugly truth.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

Straw man argument....Nobody said anything about pure or perfect candidates.

Fact is that all the republican "half-a-loaf" candidates don't govern any better than the socialistic democrats they claim to oppose.

You want to vote for evil, that's your problem.

Libertarian candidates are UNELECTABLE.
But they are considered pure by you and the likes.

Welcome to United Soviet Socialist States of America in the next 10 years.

Paul Ryan supports illegal amnesty- he was the VP pick.. look within that party and show me a true candidate who supports conservatism?

 

[Oddball]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

Straw man argument....Nobody said anything about pure or perfect candidates.

Fact is that all the republican "half-a-loaf" candidates don't govern any better than the socialistic democrats they claim to oppose.

You want to vote for evil, that's your problem.

Libertarian candidates are UNELECTABLE.
But they are considered pure by you and the likes.

Welcome to United Soviet Socialist States of America in the next 10 years.

They're only perceived as unelectable because the demopublicratican duopoly doesn't give any of their candidates but the pure nut cases, more often than not on the ballot because of onerous ballot access laws, a fair hearing....Especially in national elections.

And we're getting to the United Soviet Socialist States of America by electing republicans too...I suppose you were living under a rock from 2001-06, when they held all the legislative stroke and expanded spending and bureaucracy faster than Bubba Clintoon.

 

[Vox]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

Vox, you're talking to the wrong person. I abhor abortion but I support the Libertarian platform of the liberty to choose and so if a pro-choice Libertarian candidate comes along on the basis of FREEDOM to choose without having the Government enforce morality, I support that candidate. So I'm not looking for a purist.. You need to look at the GOP STATISTS and find that ugly truth.

I know your views more or less. I do support them. But I am not 18 years old when the worldview of all or nothing is acceptable.

Libertarian candidate is unlelectable on a national level. Period. And if you want to keep leftist nazis in the WH - keep waiting for one.
That what caused us to loose 2012.

I know perfectly well that RINOs are not much better than crazy left.
But they are still somewhat better.
Therefore I am willing to vote for a lesser evil, because I want the big evil OUT.
Your waiting for an acceptable candidate is casuing the evil left to stay in power - because the other side is going to vote for "their candidate" no matter how much they dislike him/her.

And because of that your position is always going to be a loozing one.

 

[FA_Q2]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

Vox, we will forever have the same RIGHT fascists and left fascists in government as long as there are people such as you who will vote for the republican even when they do not espouse republican values.

Let’s go to the Bush presidency. What, exactly, made Bush a republican? As far as I can tell, he was very similar to Obama. The only real difference there was the tax policy, a policy that is INSANE without the connecting spending decreases that you need to have when reducing your income. Basically, you are voting to end up in the exact same place as the democrats are trying to get there. The only difference is that we might get there a little slower, maybe. Then again, perhaps the republicans actually get us there FASTER. The current spy network on the American people was, after all, started by Bush.

The only way to effect change is to send the party a resounding NO by not voting for the same crap candidates. Either we are going to get a decent candidate that espouses the core values that we believe in or the Republican Party will continue to loose voters to third party candidates.

You do realize that this HAS happened in the past and it ended a major party, right? The same can happen again if the R’s continue abandoning everything that they are supposed to stand for.

 

[Coyote]

We've seen how far the left will drive toward a Fascist society. Are republicans willing to hand them that power for another election cycle? Will there be anything left of America which resembles a Republic were they to happen? This poll is for those who truly support LIBERTY.


Would you break with the establishment and vote 3rd party for freedom if you KNEW voting the same two party system would be the end of the Republic as we know it? ie freedom..

Yes, if I knew for certain that the next leftist administration would enforce Marxist ideology/ Fascism which would result in the Constitution (Bill of Rights- the 1st 10 amendments for you leftist dummies who haven't a clue) being suspended, aborted.

No, I will continue to vote for the two party system.

Marxism and Fascism are two completely different things and oppose each other...just saying. This doesn't make sense

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

Vox, you're talking to the wrong person. I abhor abortion but I support the Libertarian platform of the liberty to choose and so if a pro-choice Libertarian candidate comes along on the basis of FREEDOM to choose without having the Government enforce morality, I support that candidate. So I'm not looking for a purist.. You need to look at the GOP STATISTS and find that ugly truth.

I know your views more or less. I do support them. But I am not 18 years old when the worldview of all or nothing is acceptable.

Libertarian candidate is unlelectable on a national level. Period. And if you want to keep leftist nazis in the WH - keep waiting for one.
That what caused us to loose 2012.

I know perfectly well that RINOs are not much better than crazy left.
But they are still somewhat better.
Therefore I am willing to vote for a lesser evil, because I want the big evil OUT.Your waiting for an acceptable candidate is casuing the evil left to stay in power - because the other side is going to vote for "their candidate" no matter how much they dislike him/her.

And because of that your position is always going to be a loozing one.

What you said was the truth and yet your thinking isn't logical. George Bush hasn't said one single word with Barack Obama in office, no matter how much he has been crucified and yet he speaks out finally and what's it over?? ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, NO BORDERS.. Please please, look in to your heart and see the truth. Republicans are NOT conservatives.. there is nothing conservative about a national debt which exceeds GDP. There is nothing conservative about the IRS and their expanded power, nothing conservative about the unPATRIOT Act.. you think you're voting for a lesser evil when in fact you're voting for STATISTs.. Prove to me that any republican candidate is actually conservative and I will throw my support behind that candidate. Just show me one.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

We've seen how far the left will drive toward a Fascist society. Are republicans willing to hand them that power for another election cycle? Will there be anything left of America which resembles a Republic were they to happen? This poll is for those who truly support LIBERTY.


Would you break with the establishment and vote 3rd party for freedom if you KNEW voting the same two party system would be the end of the Republic as we know it? ie freedom..

Yes, if I knew for certain that the next leftist administration would enforce Marxist ideology/ Fascism which would result in the Constitution (Bill of Rights- the 1st 10 amendments for you leftist dummies who haven't a clue) being suspended, aborted.

No, I will continue to vote for the two party system.

Marxism and Fascism are two completely different things and oppose each other...just saying. This doesn't make sense

fascism (politics) : Opposition to Marxism -- Encyclopedia Britannica

I never said they were one in the same.. they both breathe DICTATORSHIPS.

Despite the fascists’ violent opposition to Marxism, some observers have noted significant similarities between fascism and Soviet communism. Both were mass movements, both emerged in the years following World War I in circumstances of political turmoil and economic collapse, both sought to create totalitarian systems after they came to power (and often concealed their totalitarian ambitions beforehand), and both employed terror and violence without scruple when it was expedient to do so

 

[edthecynic]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

If more people would vote 3rd Party or write-in than just the 1 to 2% we get now, you will find more independent candidates willing to throw their hat in the ring. The problem is the voters who don't like either candidate usually don't vote and so an independent has no idea how many potential voters there are among the discontented. Nonvoters are considered apathetic, not a voter looking for a different kind of candidate.

Even if you don't like your choices, no especially if you don't like your choices you need to vote at least write-in so your vote will show up as a voter who is unhappy with their choices but still willing to vote. If 20 to 30% voted this way rather than the 1 to 2% we get now, you would see a lot more independent candidates.

 

[Oddball]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

Vox, you're talking to the wrong person. I abhor abortion but I support the Libertarian platform of the liberty to choose and so if a pro-choice Libertarian candidate comes along on the basis of FREEDOM to choose without having the Government enforce morality, I support that candidate. So I'm not looking for a purist.. You need to look at the GOP STATISTS and find that ugly truth.

I know your views more or less. I do support them. But I am not 18 years old when the worldview of all or nothing is acceptable.

Libertarian candidate is unlelectable on a national level. Period. And if you want to keep leftist nazis in the WH - keep waiting for one.
That what caused us to loose 2012.

I know perfectly well that RINOs are not much better than crazy left.
But they are still somewhat better.

Like hell they are.

Therefore I am willing to vote for a lesser evil, because I want the big evil OUT.
Your waiting for an acceptable candidate is casuing the evil left to stay in power - because the other side is going to vote for "their candidate" no matter how much they dislike him/her.

Then you'll get the evil you deserve.

You'll just have to pardon the rest of us who refuse to buy into your Hegelian false dichotomy.

And because of that your position is always going to be a loozing one.

With attitudes like yours they will.

 

[g5000]

Once again, we hear a lot of whining, but not a single solution proferred.

Instead of bellyaching about what's wrong with the Republicans or Democrats, tell us what solutions this "Liberty Party" offers. What is their platform?

What is their position on gay marriage?

What is their position on Social Security?

What is their position on the FDA?

What is their position on income taxes? Sales taxes? VAT?

What is their position on drugs? Heroin, crack, meth.

What is their position on tax expenditures?

What is their position on people like Fabrice Tourre?

What legislation would they enact?

 

[Oddball]

Once again, we hear a lot of whining, but not a single solution proferred.

Instead of bellyaching about what's wrong with the Republicans or Democrats, tell us what solutions this "Liberty Party" offers. What is their platform?

What is their position on gay marriage?

What is their position on Social Security?

What is their position on drugs? Heroin, crack, meth.

What is their position on tax expenditures?

What is their position on people like Fabrice Tourre?

What legislation would they enact?

LP has been around since the Nixon administration.

If you're ignorant of their policy positions, that's nobody's fault but your own.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Once again, we hear a lot of whining, but not a single solution proferred.

Instead of bellyaching about what's wrong with the Republicans or Democrats, tell us what solutions this "Liberty Party" offers. What is their platform?

What is their position on gay marriage?

What is their position on Social Security?

What is their position on the FDA?

What is their position on income taxes? Sales taxes? VAT?

What is their position on drugs? Heroin, crack, meth.

What is their position on tax expenditures?

What is their position on people like Fabrice Tourre?

What legislation would they enact?

Discussing Conservatism is whining??

 

[g5000]

Discussing Conservatism is whining??

All I hear is whining. No solutions.

What are your solutions for the problems we face?

Eliminate the FDA? Legalize all drugs? That's what the Libertarians would do.

Shrink our military down to the size of a cub scout troop? That's what the Libertarians would do.

Pray tell.

 

[Coyote]

We've seen how far the left will drive toward a Fascist society. Are republicans willing to hand them that power for another election cycle? Will there be anything left of America which resembles a Republic were they to happen? This poll is for those who truly support LIBERTY.


Would you break with the establishment and vote 3rd party for freedom if you KNEW voting the same two party system would be the end of the Republic as we know it? ie freedom..

Yes, if I knew for certain that the next leftist administration would enforce Marxist ideology/ Fascism which would result in the Constitution (Bill of Rights- the 1st 10 amendments for you leftist dummies who haven't a clue) being suspended, aborted.

No, I will continue to vote for the two party system.

Marxism and Fascism are two completely different things and oppose each other...just saying. This doesn't make sense

fascism (politics) : Opposition to Marxism -- Encyclopedia Britannica

I never said they were one in the same.. they both breathe DICTATORSHIPS.

Despite the fascists’ violent opposition to Marxism, some observers have noted significant similarities between fascism and Soviet communism. Both were mass movements, both emerged in the years following World War I in circumstances of political turmoil and economic collapse, both sought to create totalitarian systems after they came to power (and often concealed their totalitarian ambitions beforehand), and both employed terror and violence without scruple when it was expedient to do so

Similarities doesn't make them "left wing" both left and right wing extremes end up in some form of totalitarianism. Fascism embraced social conservatism, religion and opposed egalitarianism. Marxism supported egalitariansim and infact forced it at it's extremes through authoritarian methods. Fascism regards the individual as subordinate to the state, Marxism regards the individual as part of the state. I don't think you can have the leftwing proposing both a Marxist and a Fascist doctrine nor is fascism supported by the leftwing.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Marxism and Fascism are two completely different things and oppose each other...just saying. This doesn't make sense

fascism (politics) : Opposition to Marxism -- Encyclopedia Britannica

I never said they were one in the same.. they both breathe DICTATORSHIPS.

Despite the fascists’ violent opposition to Marxism, some observers have noted significant similarities between fascism and Soviet communism. Both were mass movements, both emerged in the years following World War I in circumstances of political turmoil and economic collapse, both sought to create totalitarian systems after they came to power (and often concealed their totalitarian ambitions beforehand), and both employed terror and violence without scruple when it was expedient to do so

Similarities doesn't make them "left wing" both left and right wing extremes end up in some form of totalitarianism. Fascism embraced social conservatism, religion and opposed egalitarianism. Marxism supported egalitariansim and infact forced it at it's extremes through authoritarian methods. Fascism regards the individual as subordinate to the state, Marxism regards the individual as part of the state. I don't think you can have the leftwing proposing both a Marxist and a Fascist doctrine nor is fascism supported by the leftwing.

I understand your need to try and argue the semantics of fascism and Marxism.. this isn't about definition but of liberty. You either stand for freedom or not. So which is it Coyote?

 

[Oddball]

Discussing Conservatism is whining??

All I hear is whining. No solutions.

What are your solutions for the problems we face?

Eliminate the FDA? Legalize all drugs? That's what the Libertarians would do.

Yeah, and?

Shrink our military down to the size of a cub scout troop? That's what the Libertarians would do.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

 

[g5000]

fascism (politics) : Opposition to Marxism -- Encyclopedia Britannica

I never said they were one in the same.. they both breathe DICTATORSHIPS.

Despite the fascists’ violent opposition to Marxism, some observers have noted significant similarities between fascism and Soviet communism. Both were mass movements, both emerged in the years following World War I in circumstances of political turmoil and economic collapse, both sought to create totalitarian systems after they came to power (and often concealed their totalitarian ambitions beforehand), and both employed terror and violence without scruple when it was expedient to do so

Similarities doesn't make them "left wing" both left and right wing extremes end up in some form of totalitarianism. Fascism embraced social conservatism, religion and opposed egalitarianism. Marxism supported egalitariansim and infact forced it at it's extremes through authoritarian methods. Fascism regards the individual as subordinate to the state, Marxism regards the individual as part of the state. I don't think you can have the leftwing proposing both a Marxist and a Fascist doctrine nor is fascism supported by the leftwing.

I understand your need to try and argue the semantics of fascism and Marxism.. this isn't about definition but of liberty. You either stand for freedom or not. So which is it Coyote?

What an airhead post!