Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

[PaintMyHouse]

So that's what you call Al Qaeda being based in and supported by the Taliban, they "agreed" with them?

So the guy who drives a getaway car just "agreed" with the bank robber, they didn't commit a crime?

LOL, I love to keep you talking. Mommas, don't let your babies grow up to be Liberals...

The guy who "agreed" is the one who thought about robbing the bank, even planned to, even knew the guy next door might do just that when he loaned him his car, but didn't rob it himself. You don't arrest him as well, just the guys who did it.

No, you arrest everyone involved in the crime whether they participated in the actual robbery or not.

"Involved" does not mean that you live on my property, or I loaned you my car, if you weren't involved in the actual crime, you just thought it might happen, even if you thought about doing it yourself but didn't. The only person to blame for 9/11 is bin Laden and company. His landlord had nothing at all to do with it that would justify a war.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We the People are a collective,we elect people among us or appoint those among us with leadership qualities to lead us. So we the people are the government. I agree with libertarians on some stuff,gun laws,most drug laws,staying out of other countries business etc. Just don't agree on just doing what each individual wants and that's it. I think everyone has a responsibility and a want to help each other out. I don't think because someone is poorer or not as well off or not as politically connected they should be left out to die. I don't think deregulation is good for people at all! Its great for corporations but horrible for the people I think free trade destroys our economy and puts people out of jobs so corporations can ship their companies overseas so they can pay less wages and have less safety regulations than they do here.

So, you believe in things that aren't true, and you call me crazy because I point out the facts that contradict your belief system.

DAVIES AND MCCARL: How big business benefits from regulation - Washington Times

Did you think all that money in politics was there just because large corporations were just such nice guys? Regulation can keep competition out of business...

Did you think soliciting campaign donations from CEOs just happens because politicians are nice guys?

 

[Bfgrn]

Actually, I specifically said I am referring to small government libertarians, not anarchists who call themselves "libertarians." Did you read the OP?

can you distinguish "small government libertarians" from others? I am referring to the internet variety of narco libertarians seen. They are among the most radical political movements out there. Which is why their standard bearer, Ron Paul, never won an election outside of his district.

Dr Ron Paul was not a miracle worker. He can not deprogram Americans during an political campaign


Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

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Should we listen to radicals like Isabel Paterson, or founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson?

"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves: and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their controul with a wholsome discretion, the remedy is, not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. this is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power."
Thomas Jefferson - 1820 September 28. (to William C. Jarvis)

"if a nation expects to be ignorant & free, in a state of civilisation, it expects what never was & never will be."
Thomas Jefferson - 1816 January 6. (to Charles Yancey)

"Now let us see what the present primary schools cost us, on the supposition that all the children of 10. 11. & 12. years old are, as they ought to be, at school: and, if they are not, so much the work is the system; for they will be untaught, and their ignorance & vices will, in future life cost us much dearer in their consequences, than it would have done, in their correction, by a good education."
Thomas Jefferson - 1818 January 14. (to Joseph C. Cabell)

Quotations on Education « Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So, you believe in things that aren't true, and you call me crazy because I point out the facts that contradict your belief system.

DAVIES AND MCCARL: How big business benefits from regulation - Washington Times

Did you think all that money in politics was there just because large corporations were just such nice guys? Regulation can keep competition out of business...

Did you think soliciting campaign donations from CEOs just happens because politicians are nice guys?

Nope. Money is what wins elections. That and making the American people think you have easy solutions to problems that no one can fix even with their best efforts.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I did say what ones I believe those are, and in discussions with libertarians, they are pretty generally the ones that are supported by libertarians. So that would give you a place for a more specific comment. I am referring to limited government libertarians, not no government anarchists, which I did state.

Well, we have traveled so far to the left that even minarchists are considered "extremists" . How many people here support CONSTITUTIONAL TAXES? How many people here support reducing the size of government to those SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED?

Over the last 40 years we have moved to the right, not the left.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater

Funny how you never complain about the preachers in the Democratic Party.

 

[Contumacious]

can you distinguish "small government libertarians" from others? I am referring to the internet variety of narco libertarians seen. They are among the most radical political movements out there. Which is why their standard bearer, Ron Paul, never won an election outside of his district.

Dr Ron Paul was not a miracle worker. He can not deprogram Americans during an political campaign


Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

.

Should we listen to radicals like Isabel Paterson, or founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson?

"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves: and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their controul with a wholsome discretion, the remedy is, not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. this is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power."
Thomas Jefferson - 1820 September 28. (to William C. Jarvis)

"if a nation expects to be ignorant & free, in a state of civilisation, it expects what never was & never will be."
Thomas Jefferson - 1816 January 6. (to Charles Yancey)

"Now let us see what the present primary schools cost us, on the supposition that all the children of 10. 11. & 12. years old are, as they ought to be, at school: and, if they are not, so much the work is the system; for they will be untaught, and their ignorance & vices will, in future life cost us much dearer in their consequences, than it would have done, in their correction, by a good education."
Thomas Jefferson - 1818 January 14. (to Joseph C. Cabell)

Quotations on Education « Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

Firstly, Isabel Paterson was a Jeffersonian.

Secondly, during Jefferson's time there was NO MANDATORY ATTENDANCE nor MANDATORY TAXATION to support government schools.

Thirdly, no school teacher in the late 1700 would have used schools in Virginia to support and defend socialism.

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[Contumacious]

I did say what ones I believe those are, and in discussions with libertarians, they are pretty generally the ones that are supported by libertarians. So that would give you a place for a more specific comment. I am referring to limited government libertarians, not no government anarchists, which I did state.

Well, we have traveled so far to the left that even minarchists are considered "extremists" . How many people here support CONSTITUTIONAL TAXES? How many people here support reducing the size of government to those SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED?

Over the last 40 years we have moved to the right, not the left.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater

We have moved towards GREATER government control a position which before 1935, was promoted by the left. Nowadays there is no difference between the left and right.

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[Quantum Windbag]

Did you think all that money in politics was there just because large corporations were just such nice guys? Regulation can keep competition out of business...

Did you think soliciting campaign donations from CEOs just happens because politicians are nice guys?

Nope. Money is what wins elections. That and making the American people think you have easy solutions to problems that no one can fix even with their best efforts.

Which explains why they don't want anyone but them spending money, doesn't it?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Did you think soliciting campaign donations from CEOs just happens because politicians are nice guys?

Nope. Money is what wins elections. That and making the American people think you have easy solutions to problems that no one can fix even with their best efforts.

Which explains why they don't want anyone but them spending money, doesn't it?

Why would they? The powers that be like to stay that way, and the American people let them.

 

[The Rabbi]

Did you think soliciting campaign donations from CEOs just happens because politicians are nice guys?

Nope. Money is what wins elections. That and making the American people think you have easy solutions to problems that no one can fix even with their best efforts.

Which explains why they don't want anyone but them spending money, doesn't it?

Wait, I thought the Left denigrated the idea that free speech was money. WTF? Can't they make up their minds?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Nope. Money is what wins elections. That and making the American people think you have easy solutions to problems that no one can fix even with their best efforts.

Which explains why they don't want anyone but them spending money, doesn't it?

Wait, I thought the Left denigrated the idea that free speech was money. WTF? Can't they make up their minds?

Money isn't Free Speech, money wins elections.

 

[1776]

go kill yourself, you psycho **** nutjob.

Cuntumacious.....big GOV means a big IRS in everyone's life, high taxes, large regulatory agencies messing with people/companies, large GOV departments like Education wasting people's money, etc.

Dingle Berry:

Are you aware that we are spending over THREE TRILLION $$$$$$ supporting the military?

Are you aware that the military is used as a cover for many welfare state policies?

Are you aware that the military is used nowadays for imperialism, nation building , supporting regimes which are allied with the US even though they may tyrannize their people, ie, the Shah of Iran, Salvador Allende, etc.

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[Bfgrn]

LOL, liberals are dealing with reality. That's just so naive it's sad.

People get sick, old, and die is reality. Capitalism works great but has issues is reality. America needs security but isn't the world's policeman is reality. Carry on...

And government is the only solution to that which you can contemplate. That is the first, last and only solution to you. Again, the extremist is in your mirror.

We tried a 'charity only' society...it FAILED. Educate yourself...

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government."
Thomas Jefferson to the Republican Citizens of Washington County, Maryland" (March 31, 1809)

"The selfish spirit of commerce knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain."
Thomas Jefferson - Letter to Larkin Smith (1809)

"What is true of every member of the society, individually, is true of them all collectively; since the rights of the whole can be no more than the sum of the rights of the individuals." Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:455, Papers 15:393

"To unequal privileges among members of the same society the spirit of our nation is, with one accord, adverse."
Thomas Jefferson to Hugh White, 1801. ME 10:258

"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
President Abraham Lincoln

 

[kaz]

Did you think all that money in politics was there just because large corporations were just such nice guys? Regulation can keep competition out of business...

Did you think soliciting campaign donations from CEOs just happens because politicians are nice guys?

Nope. Money is what wins elections. That and making the American people think you have easy solutions to problems that no one can fix even with their best efforts.

Yes, money wins elections and buys votes. Once again, you show yourself to be the liar that you are. You want more power for that which you say is corrupt, the US government.



It's about your welfare check, just be honest. Whoever puts the most zeroes on it ... gets your vote ...

 

[kaz]

The guy who "agreed" is the one who thought about robbing the bank, even planned to, even knew the guy next door might do just that when he loaned him his car, but didn't rob it himself. You don't arrest him as well, just the guys who did it.

No, you arrest everyone involved in the crime whether they participated in the actual robbery or not.

"Involved" does not mean that you live on my property, or I loaned you my car, if you weren't involved in the actual crime, you just thought it might happen, even if you thought about doing it yourself but didn't. The only person to blame for 9/11 is bin Laden and company. His landlord had nothing at all to do with it that would justify a war.

The Taliban assisted them, they richly deserved to pay dearly for that.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No, you arrest everyone involved in the crime whether they participated in the actual robbery or not.

"Involved" does not mean that you live on my property, or I loaned you my car, if you weren't involved in the actual crime, you just thought it might happen, even if you thought about doing it yourself but didn't. The only person to blame for 9/11 is bin Laden and company. His landlord had nothing at all to do with it that would justify a war.

The Taliban assisted them, they richly deserved to pay dearly for that.

Either way they're back now so there you go. Considering where the hijackers came from I would have thought Saudi Arabia would have been your target.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Did you think soliciting campaign donations from CEOs just happens because politicians are nice guys?

Nope. Money is what wins elections. That and making the American people think you have easy solutions to problems that no one can fix even with their best efforts.

Yes, money wins elections and buys votes. Once again, you show yourself to be the liar that you are. You want more power for that which you say is corrupt, the US government.



It's about your welfare check, just be honest. Whoever puts the most zeroes on it ... gets your vote ...

You have no ability to put words in the mouths of others, so stop trying. And I haven't said the government is corrupt, that must be someone else you are attempting to speak for and they probably didn't say that either, based on your track record.

 

[kaz]

People get sick, old, and die is reality. Capitalism works great but has issues is reality. America needs security but isn't the world's policeman is reality. Carry on...

And government is the only solution to that which you can contemplate. That is the first, last and only solution to you. Again, the extremist is in your mirror.

We tried a 'charity only' society...it FAILED. Educate yourself...

And now we have a charityless society, and that's working far worse. You don't even pretend to want to do anything on your own, you just run to government to do it for you. And you just expect it, you have no recognition of the people who earned the money and you appreciate nothing. You just demand more, more, more.

 

[kaz]

Nope. Money is what wins elections. That and making the American people think you have easy solutions to problems that no one can fix even with their best efforts.

Which explains why they don't want anyone but them spending money, doesn't it?

Why would they? The powers that be like to stay that way, and the American people let them.

In fact you advocate it. Money wins elections, let's make government stronger!

 

[kaz]

"Involved" does not mean that you live on my property, or I loaned you my car, if you weren't involved in the actual crime, you just thought it might happen, even if you thought about doing it yourself but didn't. The only person to blame for 9/11 is bin Laden and company. His landlord had nothing at all to do with it that would justify a war.

The Taliban assisted them, they richly deserved to pay dearly for that.

Either way they're back now so there you go. Considering where the hijackers came from I would have thought Saudi Arabia would have been your target.

Why would I blame the historical home of the hijackers over the country that helped them do it? That doesn't make sense, even for you.