Liberals - what happened?!?

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

And yet you didn’t stop Donald Trump from becoming Presidents of the United States

One would think you could control what you “own”! Yet another example of the ineptitude and failure of liberals

You will not pass 75% of the legislation you want without lib help fact.

 

[P@triot]

No because being a leftist has more to do with one's stance and focus on who owns the means of production, worker rights, and how much democracy we have in society (worker-control over the economy and government). However, for liberals, the social issues you're pointing to like LGBTQ+++, and abortion, are the foundation of their political platform. That's not the case for socialists.

Socialists place economics and worker control over the means of production above everything else, politically and one might argue, socially as well. Many of these "woke" liberals don't even think in terms of economics, worker-rights and power. It's all about LGBTQ++, feminism, abortion..etc. Their whole universe revolves around that. I'm a socialist and I don't agree that a man can become a woman, or that children should be injected with puberty blockers.

Left or right is not strictly limited to economics. Hell, it’s not even primarily about economics. First and foremost, it’s about the size and scope of government. Economics is secondary. And of course, social issues are also a component.

 

[P@triot]

You will not pass 75% of the legislation you want without lib help fact.

Fact: you claimed to “own” Republicans and yet you couldn’t even stop Donald Trump from becoming Presidents of the United States

Also a fact: because Democrats are fascists who do not accept the separation of powers (or limitations of power), they do everything unconstitutionally via executive fiat. The beauty of that is that it can be legally & properly undone instantly by executive fiat.

98% of the “legislation” We the People wanted (secured borders, elimination of depraved deviant men in women’s spaces, dismantling of the deep state, etc.) all occurred yesterday!!! So…much…WINNING.

 

[P@triot]

Push comes to shove, Libs own MAGA.

How did they work out for you yesterday? Seems you weren’t able to prevent even a single item on the MAGA agenda

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/21/trump-executive-orders-actions-proclamations-legislation-00199725

 

[P@triot]

Push comes to shove, Libs own MAGA.

If this is “getting owned”, sign me up!!!

President Trump revoking all of Joe Biden’s illegal/unconstitutional Executive Orders is absolutely gloriously. 98% of the “legislation” that the United States needs was completed on Day 1! You’d think Democrats would learn from making this same mistake for over 100 years and start achieving their desired policies through legislation in Congress, but fascists hate democracy

Initial Rescissions Of Harmful Executive Orders And Actions – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Fact: you claimed to “own” Republicans and yet you couldn’t even stop Donald Trump from becoming Presidents of the United States

Also a fact: because Democrats are fascists who do not accept the separation of powers (or limitations of power), they do everything unconstitutionally via executive fiat. The beauty of that is that it can be legally & properly undone instantly by executive fiat.

98% of the “legislation” We the People wanted (secured borders, elimination of depraved deviant men in women’s spaces, dismantling of the deep state, etc.) all occurred yesterday!!! So…much…WINNING.

Trump's inflation led to the smallest popular victory in 12 elections.

You will be forced to accept the limitation and division of powers.

78 of the EOs will be in court by Friday, including your list.

Never foul again "we the People" in your mouth.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Left or right is not strictly limited to economics. Hell, it’s not even primarily about economics. First and foremost, it’s about the size and scope of government. Economics is secondary. And of course, social issues are also a component.

"Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement,[1] whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in society based on need.[3][4][5] A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9]"
Source: Communism - Wikipedia

THE ABSENCE OF THE STATE...(THE WITHERING AWAY OF THE STATE):

"Withering away of the state is a Marxist concept coined by Friedrich Engels referring to the idea that, with the realization of socialism, the worker's state will eventually become obsolete and cease to exist as society will be able to govern itself without the state and its coercive enforcement of the law."

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The phrase stems from Friedrich Engels,[1] who wrote in part 3, chapter 2 of Anti-Dühring (1878):

The interference of the state power in social relations becomes superfluous in one sphere after another, and then ceases of itself. The government of persons is replaced by the administration of things and the direction of the processes of production. The state is not "abolished", it withers away. (German: Der Staat wird nicht „abgeschafft“, er stirbt ab., lit. 'The state is not "abolished", it atrophies.')[2]

A related quote from Engels comes from Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State (1884):"

In other words, socialists want to eventually eliminate the state. With the advancement of technology, eventually, the individual will have the means to personally produce all of the goods and services they rely on to live, hence becoming free of the need for the government infrastructure that once allowed access to vital goods and services (electricity, water.etc).

When technology allows the individual to produce most if not all of the goods they rely on to survive, empowering people to no longer rely on government infrastructure, that is at least the beginning of the end for state management or its role in planning the economy/production in collaboration with worker-cooperatives. State involvement in people's lives naturally, inevitably with advanced technology in the hands of the "consumer", reduces the size and need for government.

Some examples of the type of technology that will empower the consumer to detach themselves from government infrastructure:

AGI - ARTIFICIAL GENERAL INTELLIGENCE
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And in about 100 to 200 years, we'll have this:

ATOMIC PRECISION MANUFACTURING MACHINES/APMMs

The Replicator
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With technology, production becomes personal, controlled by individuals rather than corporations or states. This is when all relations between adults become voluntary without coercion, based on social affinity, rather than financial need or fear of experiencing scarcity or lack of access to resources. Human relations are completely socialized and civilized (people live in societies that are increasingly free and civil). If you choose to live in a community with other human beings, it won't be because you'll go hungry or you'll lack some vital, material resource, it will be because you want to, as a social being that values having relationships with others.

That's the socialist or communist agenda and model according to Karl Marx, Engels, and Lenin. It has always been that since the very beginning, but due to war, economic sanctions and embargoes, and lack of required production technology, communists at a national scale, have centralized power, to survive and defend themselves against their powerful capitalist, imperialist enemies.

 

[P@triot]

"Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement,[1] whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in society based on need.[3][4][5] A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9]"
Source: Communism - Wikipedia

THE ABSENCE OF THE STATE...(THE WITHERING AWAY OF THE STATE):

"Withering away of the state is a Marxist concept coined by Friedrich Engels referring to the idea that, with the realization of socialism, the worker's state will eventually become obsolete and cease to exist as society will be able to govern itself without the state and its coercive enforcement of the law."

[edit]
The phrase stems from Friedrich Engels,[1] who wrote in part 3, chapter 2 of Anti-Dühring (1878):


A related quote from Engels comes from Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State (1884):"

Aaaaaand what in the world does any of that have to do with the fact that right vs. left isn’t strictly about economics (and is in fact secondary to political)?

In other words, socialists want to eventually eliminate the state. With the advancement of technology, eventually, the individual will have the means to personally produce all of the goods and services they rely on to live, hence becoming free of the need for the government infrastructure that once allowed access to vital goods and services (electricity, water.etc).

That’s not even the function of government. Government’s sole purpose is to secure your rights.

What good will the ability to “personally produce all of the goods and services they rely on to live” when you become subjugated by another nation since the elimination of the state resulted in no military defense?

That's the socialist or communist agenda and model according to Karl Marx, Engels, and Lenin.

You’ve swallowed a shocking amount of propaganda that isn’t even remotely true. If you think Vladimir Lenin wanted the total elimination of the state, then you truly know nothing about Vladimir Lenin.

It has always been that since the very beginning, but due to war, economic sanctions and embargoes, and lack of required production technology, communists at a national scale, have centralized power, to survive and defend themselves against their powerful capitalist, imperialist enemies.

Again, not even remotely true. If it wasn’t about unlimited control of power at the state level, then Lenin, Mao, Castro, Stalin, etc. all would have simply turned to free market capitalism since technology, sanctions, and embargo’s made socialism impossible by your own admission.

 

[P@triot]

"What has to do with it" is that Patriot is talking into his ass.

John Edgar Slow Mind returns to the scene of the crime! To spread more propaganda, gaslight, and whine!!

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Patriot is simply unhappy he got reported.

 

[P@triot]

Patriot is simply unhappy he got reported.

“Reported” for what?!?

Whatever you “reported” me for, it didn’t work, because I have no idea what you are talking about

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

“Reported” for what?!?

Whatever you “reported” me for, it didn’t work, because I have no idea what you are talking about

If that's your story...