Liberal Christians

[BDBoop]

I'd like to meet you. I know you exist.

/wave

You're a Christian? Like hell you are.

Backatcha, sweet pea.

 

[BDBoop]

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Gandhi

I would think all religious people would be liberal? You mean I got that wrong? Heck, we exist for a second in time and eternity waits with long arms, so why worry about money or property or things, worry about the hungry the sick the homeless the needy, help others and do not whine about material things, and if you are blessed as my religious friends sometimes say, help others on their way to that large time that makes this time so short and meaningless.

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"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." Thomas Paine

"When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln
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Exactly. My quote is from Pastor Dave Johnson, Church of the Open Door. "There is nothing I can do to make Christ love me any more, and there is nothing I can do to make Him love me any less."

Once I knew that it wasn't about me, and compounded that with the knowledge that he created me imperfect, i.e., "human"? Freedom is a wonderful thing.

That's why when people come down on me for uttering "the 'C' word" when they treat people like shit on a daily basis? Yeah. I don't care who you are, that right there is the definition of 'ironic'.

When you live to give people a bad day, a hard time, then you don't get to judge people for really much of anything. You've got some logs to get out of your own eyes before you can attempt to remove a splinter for them.

 

[California Girl]

yeah, darn those crazy catholics for actually REALLY being pro life and not liking pretend wars of choice or the death penalty.

how "cultlike" of them.

p.s. you're wrong anyway.... episcopalians are liberal, too. they're not so fond of gay-bashing in addition to the things that bug catholics.

good try, though.

Interestingly, I know several Episcopalians.... they're all conservatives. I think it's silly to assume things about people based on their religion. For instances, I know not one single Catholic who 'bashes gays'. Go figure.

you've never been to the episcopal church in NYC, have you? as a general rule, they tend to be more liberal. but thanks for the anecdotal comments.

catholics don't exactly fight for gay rights. i think that was my point. i'd also be less cranky about it, b/c i was saying catholics tend to be more consistent on the subject of "life" than fundies are.

and really... i was responding to someone who just called y'all a cult.

doncha think that rightwingnut loon is the one you should try take to the woodshed?

I know you were, mo chara. And I thank you for that.

And, no I haven't been to an Episcopalian Church in NYC.... any more than you have been to one in CA.... which I have. So, generally, I think anecdotal goes both ways, don't you?

No, generally, the Catholic Church does not 'fight' for gay rights. The Church tends to concern itself with those who cannot fight for themselves - the unborn. We kinda figure gays are grown ups and can fight their own battles.

 

[California Girl]

I want to talk to some LIBERAL Christians, not right wingers.

See what I mean?

I am more liberal than most liberals on this board. Yet, because I do not fit your definition of liberal, and because I am a Christian, you respond with insults.

Be here now. Do you want to talk now or not? Tell me about why you think you're a liberal.

Your problem is that you seem pretty fucking cool with insults from those you agree with, but get your panties in a bunch with insults from those you do not.

I find that to be more than a tad ignorant.

 

[Cuyo]

I'd like to meet you. I know you exist.

There's thousands of them out here. We call them the Amish.

Completely apolitical, don't vote or participate in politics, so maybe not the kind of liberal you were looking for.

But extremely liberal, Socialist bordering Communist even, in their behavior within their community.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I'd like to meet you. I know you exist.

There's thousands of them out here. We call them the Amish.

Completely apolitical, don't vote or participate in politics, so maybe not the kind of liberal you were looking for.

But extremely liberal, Socialist bordering Communist even, in their behavior within their community.

I love the Amish. I was thinking more in terms of what we used to call "mainstream" Christians who are liberal.

 

[Sky Dancer]

See what I mean?

I am more liberal than most liberals on this board. Yet, because I do not fit your definition of liberal, and because I am a Christian, you respond with insults.

Be here now. Do you want to talk now or not? Tell me about why you think you're a liberal.

Your problem is that you seem pretty fucking cool with insults from those you agree with, but get your panties in a bunch with insults from those you do not.

I find that to be more than a tad ignorant.

Rather than talk about "my problem" can we discuss the topic?

 

[Sky Dancer]

I am definitely a liberal. You are not.

Liberals focus first on liberty and equal rights. They speak up even when someone who they hate is being persecuted or oppressed. Liberals follow the principles of the Age of Enlightenment, they believe that the government rules only by consent, and that individuals have fundamental rights to life, liberty, and property. Those are the core beliefs of liberals. They see different ways to get to those beliefs, so there is a broad spectrum of beliefs in liberalism, but if you do not hold those core beliefs, you are not a liberal.

I am closer to those core values that you are. Most conservatives on this board are closer to those core beliefs than you are. Like I said, I am closer to being a liberal than most liberals on this board, mostly because most liberals on this board are actually progressives.

Most 'conservatives' on this board are bigots, if we accept their word that they are conservative. One can argue the definition of liberal, conservative and progressive all day, but the OP asked about being "Christian" and that too requires definiton. Their are "Sunday" Christians and Christians who practice the values JC is purported to have preached everyday. Not the values preached by too many of the clergy today.

I'm looking for Christians who practice Jesus values and who are politically liberal. Not necessarily church goers.

 

[California Girl]

Be here now. Do you want to talk now or not? Tell me about why you think you're a liberal.

Your problem is that you seem pretty fucking cool with insults from those you agree with, but get your panties in a bunch with insults from those you do not.

I find that to be more than a tad ignorant.

Rather than talk about "my problem" can we discuss the topic?

You don't want to discuss it with conservatives. You made the rule, you die by it.

I find your thanking of the ignorant twit who commented that 'Jesus was a liberal who was killed by conservatives' to be highly offensive. So, no, I wouldn't waste my breath "discussing" it with you.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Your problem is that you seem pretty fucking cool with insults from those you agree with, but get your panties in a bunch with insults from those you do not.

I find that to be more than a tad ignorant.

Rather than talk about "my problem" can we discuss the topic?

You don't want to discuss it with conservatives. You made the rule, you die by it.

I find your thanking of the ignorant twit who commented that 'Jesus was a liberal who was killed by conservatives' to be highly offensive. So, no, I wouldn't waste my breath "discussing" it with you.

I can thank whoever I choose. I thanked that post because I too, believe Jesus was a liberal, and he was killed by conservatives--the Romans.

I'm looking to discuss a few things with fellow liberals who follow Jesus teachings. Why does that bother you?

I'm not trying to get on your nerves, CG. Why am I now?

 

[BDBoop]

/shrug

Why would anybody disagree with the facts? He was despised by the establishment, and they put him to death.

The point most people miss is Christ was sent here to die so that all may live - so the 'how' of it doesn't actually matter, IMO.

 

[Sky Dancer]

/shrug

Why would anybody disagree with the facts? He was despised by the establishment, and they put him to death.

The point most people miss is Christ was sent here to die so that all may live - so the 'how' of it doesn't actually matter, IMO.

That's where I differ with you. I don't think Jesus died so that we all may live. I don't think he died to save us from our sins.

I think he died to show he was human AND one with God, and that all of us have that potential.

 

[BDBoop]

Yeah, you're right.

We don't agree.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Yeah, you're right.

We don't agree.

We can agree to disagree, we don't have to disagreeable. I completely disagree with the whole Adam and Eve, original sin myth.

Do we really think a man and a woman conversed with a talking serpent?

Adam and Eve is the lynchpin of Christianity. Pull it out and the whole religion collapses. If there was no original sin, we would have no need of a "savior".

No wonder the fundies are fighting the scientists about evolution. Of course, now that we have mapped the human genome, we know exactly where we came from.

 

[BDBoop]

Okay - well. I don't know why you are looking for "liberal Christians" then, because it sounds like you just want to poke fun at the faith of believers, period.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Okay - well. I don't know why you are looking for "liberal Christians" then, because it sounds like you just want to poke fun at the faith of believers, period.

No, not really. I'm interested in talking to Christians who do not practice in a church or have fundie views. I'm interested in talking to people who follow Jesus teachings and consider themselves politically liberal.

I do have my days when I want to "poke fun". Not now. Not today. I think it's safe to say most conservative Christians rub me the wrong way, and I do the same to them. Some days I'm angry about some stupid thing a Christian said or did and I unfairly "light into" someone who doesn't deserve it. Some days, some people do the same to me.


Most of the Christians I've met here are very conservative. I know there are liberals out there. I want to meet them.

 

[California Girl]

Rather than talk about "my problem" can we discuss the topic?

You don't want to discuss it with conservatives. You made the rule, you die by it.

I find your thanking of the ignorant twit who commented that 'Jesus was a liberal who was killed by conservatives' to be highly offensive. So, no, I wouldn't waste my breath "discussing" it with you.

I can thank whoever I choose. I thanked that post because I too, believe Jesus was a liberal, and he was killed by conservatives--the Romans.

I'm looking to discuss a few things with fellow liberals who follow Jesus teachings. Why does that bother you?

I'm not trying to get on your nerves, CG. Why am I now?

Doesn't bother me. I just wonder why you want to discuss with liberals and then ask me whether I want to discuss it.... not that I give a damn since you're clearly not intelligent enough to discuss Christianity - judging by your fucking moronic belief that Jesus was 'liberal' and that Romans were 'conservative'.

When you grow a brain, let me know.

 

[Sky Dancer]

You don't want to discuss it with conservatives. You made the rule, you die by it.

I find your thanking of the ignorant twit who commented that 'Jesus was a liberal who was killed by conservatives' to be highly offensive. So, no, I wouldn't waste my breath "discussing" it with you.

I can thank whoever I choose. I thanked that post because I too, believe Jesus was a liberal, and he was killed by conservatives--the Romans.

I'm looking to discuss a few things with fellow liberals who follow Jesus teachings. Why does that bother you?

I'm not trying to get on your nerves, CG. Why am I now?

Doesn't bother me. I just wonder why you want to discuss with liberals and then ask me whether I want to discuss it.... not that I give a damn since you're clearly not intelligent enough to discuss Christianity - judging by your fucking moronic belief that Jesus was 'liberal' and that Romans were 'conservative'.

When you grow a brain, let me know.

If you don't want to post on this topic, why are you here?

All you want to do is throw insults at me. I want to talk to politically liberal Christians.

I'd neg rep you for all those insults, but I have to spread it around.

What's with all the insults, "friend"?

 

[California Girl]

I can thank whoever I choose. I thanked that post because I too, believe Jesus was a liberal, and he was killed by conservatives--the Romans.

I'm looking to discuss a few things with fellow liberals who follow Jesus teachings. Why does that bother you?

I'm not trying to get on your nerves, CG. Why am I now?

Doesn't bother me. I just wonder why you want to discuss with liberals and then ask me whether I want to discuss it.... not that I give a damn since you're clearly not intelligent enough to discuss Christianity - judging by your fucking moronic belief that Jesus was 'liberal' and that Romans were 'conservative'.

When you grow a brain, let me know.

If you don't want to post on this topic, why are you here?

All you want to do is throw insults at me. I want to talk to politically liberal Christians.

I'd neg rep you for all those insults, but I have to spread it around.

Why should I not insult you? You insult me... but I forgot.... you can dish out your insults but have an issue when you get them back.

I'll post wherever I want.... if you don't like it, that's your tough luck. But you were the one who specified 'Liberal Christians'. My experience - there are very few 'Liberal Christians' on this site... most of them call themselves Liberals but they are not Liberals, they are Progressives. Much like you. Control freaks who want to decide how everyone should live.

 

[BDBoop]

Okay - well. I don't know why you are looking for "liberal Christians" then, because it sounds like you just want to poke fun at the faith of believers, period.

No, not really. I'm interested in talking to Christians who do not practice in a church or have fundie views. I'm interested in talking to people who follow Jesus teachings and consider themselves politically liberal.

I do have my days when I want to "poke fun". Not now. Not today. I think it's safe to say most conservative Christians rub me the wrong way, and I do the same to them. Some days I'm angry about some stupid thing a Christian said or did and I unfairly "light into" someone who doesn't deserve it. Some days, some people do the same to me.


Most of the Christians I've met here are very conservative. I know there are liberals out there. I want to meet them.

Well, if that's not where you want to go, then don't go there. You want to talk about the bolded bit, then don't start in about your own belief systems. Ask questions about the bolded bit.

I don't do church anymore. Too much legalistic damage was done in my decades there.