Liberal Business owners - a true story of what I get to deal with right now

[Freewill]

Heath coverage is a large component of benefits these days. We are looking at a 13% increase in January. Thanks for keeping it affordable Obama.

If you were actually in business and dealt with these type of issues, Blue's narrative makes a lot of sense.

I thought this mandate didn't kick in until 2014.

Yes, that is correct. They are collecting taxes now in order for it to look revenue neutral. My company of well over 50 people has already told their non-management people they are done paying for HC in 2014 everyone can go on Obama exchanges. Cheaper to pay the fine then to buy and administer HC.

 

[saveliberty]

also, don't forget to subtract all of the subsidies you'd qualify for, that you'd have necessarily researched and included in the math.

no offense GT....but of the 100's of clients I had serviced over nearly 30 years, less than 1% received any type of subsidies.

I dont believe that, at all, or else they don't know what's available.

Stop living in fantasyland then, and look for yourself. The government ahs its hand out FOR money, not to give you any.

 

[Jarhead]

also, don't forget to subtract all of the subsidies you'd qualify for, that you'd have necessarily researched and included in the math.

no offense GT....but of the 100's of clients I had serviced over nearly 30 years, less than 1% received any type of subsidies.

I dont believe that, at all, or else they don't know what's available.

Hey....look....you dont have to believe me....but I dont lie.

Most of my clients were service industry....attorneys. property management firms, title companies, settlement firms, advertising agencies....etc...with a few manufacturers.

There were no subsidies for the service companies.

 

[Ravi]

Blue Phantom's account I have no idea if factually accurate but in reality everything he said could be true.

A college in the Pittsburgh area is doing exactly as PH outlined. They are cutting back on hours and who do you think they voted for???

College Cuts Staff Hours to Avoid Obamacare Costs

A right wing blog that isn't credible. The schools press releases tell a different story.

Western Pennsylvania community colleges trying to 'live within means' | TribLIVE

 

[Moonglow]

I want to see actual numbers.

Employee costs X
Employee generates X
Employee will, with benefits, cost X
We go bankrupt at X

also, don't forget to subtract all of the subsidies you'd qualify for, that you'd have necessarily researched and included in the math.

not to mention the 35% tax breal on the ACA payments, and the kick back from the insurance company.

 

[Ravi]

Heath coverage is a large component of benefits these days. We are looking at a 13% increase in January. Thanks for keeping it affordable Obama.

If you were actually in business and dealt with these type of issues, Blue's narrative makes a lot of sense.

I thought this mandate didn't kick in until 2014.

Yes, that is correct. They are collecting taxes now in order for it to look revenue neutral. My company of well over 50 people has already told their non-management people they are done paying for HC in 2014 everyone can go on Obama exchanges. Cheaper to pay the fine then to buy and administer HC.

Then why is saveliberty telling a lie?

 

[saveliberty]

It might come as a shock, but many of the unemployed were the ones companies thought they could afford to lose. Now you idiots expect us to take them in and make dedicated workers out of them?

 

[Jarhead]

I'm not asking you, I'm asking the bloviating OP who has apparently already mulled the numbers over.

I dont believe in stories without hard data.

That is proprietary information (if true) and he is likely bound by contract to keep it private..

Whether or not his story is true is irrelevant...it happens to be an accurate dilemma small to medium sized business are facing...or will be facing if they wish to expand beyond 50 employees.

It is kept private, wow.

It's dry data, from an anonymous user handle.

yes....but that does not mean it is not bound by contract....GT....you need to understand, anonymous or not, if it is found you released proprietary data to the public...regardless who you are posing yourself as...you are in breach of contract.
Heck...I will talk in generalizations on here....but my ethics would NEVERT allow me to put up actual numbers that someone contracted me out to develop and analyze.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Since we are making up stories....

I work for a conservative business owner

I told him that our employees do not have health insurance and will go bankrupt if they have a major illness. He said screw them, they are not my problem let the taxpayer pick up their healthcare costs

I explained that I agreed with him and that businesses should not be the ones providing healthcare and that it should be a government function. He jumped up and screamed THATS SOCIALISM

I explained that his attitude is just the problem that Obamacare faced, that no matter what solution was proposed, conservatives tried to block it

He replied....LET THEM DIE

Sounds like both of you were discussing the medical panel portion of the Obama's Healthcare Act.

 

[Dick Tuck]

what a childish remark...I expect no less from you.

Exactly where did I say that the employees are treated like a piece of shit?

You assume all business owners do that. Seeing as you beleive that, then I am convinced you were never a business owner.....so you are most definitely not quialified to engage in this debate.

I know for a fact that labor costs are less at Costco than Walmart. Yet Costco pays more and provides better healthcare to their employees. I know about employees dedicating themselves more to companies that don't **** with them.

Some companies treats their employees like shit, piss themselves if they have to provide a benefit to give them healthcare, and morons like you think that's good for the economy and best interest of this company.

A child could do better analysis than you.

Unless you're a masochist why would you continue to work at a company that "treats their employees like shit, piss"?

I wouldn't. I turned down offers because I thought the owner was a douche bag. That includes Ross Perot.

But I had the option. Yet, I also had the position to make some hiring firing decisions for the companies I worked for. I'm OK with that.

 

[Paulie]

What product or service is this business selling that the increased output from expansion would not meet or exceed the additional Obamacare expense?

 

[Jarhead]

It is kept private, wow.

It's dry data, from an anonymous user handle.

yes....but that does not mean it is not bound by contract....GT....you need to understand, anonymous or not, if it is found you released proprietary data to the public...regardless who you are posing yourself as...you are in breach of contract.
Heck...I will talk in generalizations on here....but my ethics would NEVERT allow me to put up actual numbers that someone contracted me out to develop and analyze.

no, you're incorrect about that.

the releasing of proprietary data, in breach of contract, would necessarily have to come along with the company's name or the information is irrelevant to begin with.

He could falsify the numbers to represent a close scenario, even. Stop bullshitting.

Excuse me....you are 100% wrong.

If I had the formula for Coca-Cola and I posted it as the formula for a great tasting soda...not using the word Coca-Cola...and I was in contract with Coke.....I would be in breach of contract.

GT...no offense...but you are acting childish now...saying things as fact that you have no idea about.

 

[rightwinger]

Since we are making up stories....

I work for a conservative business owner

I told him that our employees do not have health insurance and will go bankrupt if they have a major illness. He said screw them, they are not my problem let the taxpayer pick up their healthcare costs

I explained that I agreed with him and that businesses should not be the ones providing healthcare and that it should be a government function. He jumped up and screamed THATS SOCIALISM

I explained that his attitude is just the problem that Obamacare faced, that no matter what solution was proposed, conservatives tried to block it

He replied....LET THEM DIE

You sure? That sounds like liberal response from a mile away
And we know that is alie. Your a liberal, you dont work lol

Of course I work

I work in a sewer

 

[Paulie]

What product or service is this business selling that the increased output from expansion would not meet or exceed the additional Obamacare expense?

Not only that, but bankrupt the whole operation, lol.

I'm no fan of the ACA but I don't buy this shit. This law might be a deterrent in some ways but it's not THIS bad.