Let's talk about the oft repeated phrase "a threat to democracy" we believe trump presents.

[yidnar]

No, attempting to change the result by disenfranchising Americans is.

like Dems nearly succeeded in doing in the 2000 election ?

 

[Marener]

like Dems nearly succeeded in doing in the 2000 election ?

They did? How?

 

[Rawley]

Trying to usurp the will of the people is absolutely a threat to democracy

He did it once. Who knows what he’d do next

And your cult leader literally told 15,000,000 Dem voters to go fuck themselves, we're throwing your votes in the trash.

 

[yidnar]

They did? How?

CNN.com - Democrats challenge certification of Florida Bush-Gore election results - November 16, 2000

 

[Lesh]

CNN.com - Democrats challenge certification of Florida Bush-Gore election results - November 16, 2000

Challenging IN COURT and accepting the result is the essence of democracy nitwit

 

[scruffy]

The premise of the thread is by virtue of the three aspects of the plot to steal the election I listed in the OP, trump has already proven himself to be a threat to democracy.

No. Only a threat to the left.

Anyone who believes Biden got more black votes than Obama is a first class moron.

 

[scruffy]

Challenging IN COURT and accepting the result is the essence of democracy nitwit

HORSESHIT

It's the essence of Stalinist lawfare.

 

[Lesh]

HORSESHIT

It's the essence of Stalinist lawfare.

InTrump land

 

[scruffy]

InTrump land

Which is all of America, as you'll soon find out.

 

[Lesh]

Which is all of America, as you'll soon find out.

Damn are you MAGArats full of yourselves

 

[IM2]

Which is all of America, as you'll soon find out.

All of America is not Trump land.

 

[sparky]

What I'd like to understand is why it isn't a consideration when weighing the decision of whether to vote for him again.

for starters , some DC think tank agenda is NOT Trumps platform berg

~S~

 

[teddyearp]

I'm talking about Democrats always screeching about "threat to democracy". That's like people at a nudist beach screaming about people dressed scantily.

If you watch and listen closer, the catch phrase is 'American Democracy' or 'American Institutions'. It is not Democracy that Trump threatens, but the form of 'Democracy' we now have in America especially its 'institutions' and you know what that means.

 

[Stann]

We spend so much time talking past each other I thought it might be useful to be more exacting in reference to what is meant by that phrase. It is most frequently used in the context of what another trump presidency may bring. Based in part on certain remarks he's made about retribution against his perceived enemies. And on the disavowed document, Project 2025, laying out a blueprint for what another term portends.

The thing is, we don't have to speculate about whether a threat will materialize..........it already has. I should say at this point I'm reluctant to illustrate what I mean because I know what kind of reaction it will elicit. But the point of the post is to be specific, not vague, so here goes.

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
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The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

Here's a link to the Eastman memo. https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/20/eastman.memo.pdf

I'm hoping not to get bogged down by folks who will not accept this meeting actually did take place. If you can't accept that it did this would be a good jumping off point for you.

Moving on, we come to the matter of Jeffrey Clark. You may or may not recall trump wanted to name him acting AG in order to use the influence of the DoJ to pursue baseless claims of massive voter fraud, specifically in GA. When some of the top DoJ officials heard of trump's desire they threatened to quit en masse if he promoted Clark.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials​

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would affect the state’s election results.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials (Published 2022)

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would...

www.nytimes.com

Former DOJ officials detail threatening to resign en masse in meeting with Trump​

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1107217243/former-doj-officials-detail-threatening-resign-en-masse-trump-meeting

Finally, we come to trump's participation in the fake elector scheme.

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election​

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election

The most comprehensive factual record of former President Donald Trump and his close associates coordination of the false electors scheme.

www.justsecurity.org

Overwhelming documentary and testimonial evidence proves beyond any doubt these things I've outlined happened. All of which with one goal in mind. To create a scenario leading to trump remaining in power.

I do not pretend to speak for anyone but myself when I say this is what is meant when I contend trump is a threat to democracy. He has already threatened it. There is every reason to believe he will threaten it again. Especially after the recent rulings of his SCOTUS.

Ultimately, I'm asking trump supporters to examine the record I've laid out. The demonstrable evidence shows trump and his cohorts tried to change the outcome of a presidential election. I can think of few greater threats to democracy than that. They say past is prologue, hence my (our) concern.

Agree , anyone who puts themselves above country and everyone else has no place in politics.

 

[teddyearp]

Challenging IN COURT and accepting the result is the essence of democracy nitwit

On that note, they're charging Trump for doing just that.

 

[teddyearp]

It's sad how much the media has presented the conspiracy theory that Donald Trump wants to be dictator. They called the 2020 election a 'coup' to re-enforce that on the minds of the Democratic voters and especially has played onto the conspiracy theory infested TDS crowd. Hell, here's just one of their plans for 2020:

The Liberal Plan for the 2020 Election

 

[IM2]

It's sad how much the media has presented the conspiracy theory that Donald Trump wants to be dictator. They called the 2020 election a 'coup' to re-enforce that on the minds of the Democratic voters and especially has played onto the conspiracy theory infested TDS crowd. Hell, here's just one of their plans for 2020:

The Liberal Plan for the 2020 Election

That's because Trump DOES want to be a dictator.

 

[IM2]

On that note, they're charging Trump for doing just that.

No they aren't.

 

[teddyearp]

That's because Trump DOES want to be a dictator.

Because he's playing by the same precedent as Obama?

 

[teddyearp]

Because he's playing by the same precedent as Obama?

The parallels between all this and Marius, Sulla, Pompey, and Julius Caesar are quite interesting I must say . . .