Let's have a conversation

[Delldude]

They are the standard "I'm 100% right, you're 100% wrong" crap coming from both him and the liberal.

That's what debate is about.

 

[leftwinger]

This ugly period really has opened up the very worst in us. Our worst impulses have been given a green light, from the very top.

I've said many times that it has shown me that America isn't what I thought it was. At the same time, we're seeing much of this globally. So your point is fair. Give humanity an opening, and it can get pretty dark.

SHUP Pantyliner. Lots of words to say "but I'm better".

 

[M14 Shooter]

If anyone says “Charlie Kirk was a fascist,” I can engage in that discussion by denying the claim as false, putting the onus on the one making the claim to support it factually.

Charlie Kirk was very good at getting to the root of claims made by some of his discussion “opponents.” Challenges the underlying suppositions or suppressed premises. Present evidence to support his reasons for denying that assumption. Perfectly willing to then consider any answer given.

The other side isn't looking for common ground or compromise - it seeks demands acquiescence.
As such, there's no reason to talk to them.

 

[sartre play]

I completely disagree with your characterization of Kirk, which is an intended smear, but the fact remains he engaged in peaceful conversation. Peaceful.

The Left murdered him. Even you must understand the difference.

Not going to debate the intent of his conversations
Will agree that killing people because we disagree is insane.
Will disagree that one mans actions some how reflects on ( as you state)
Everyone who ever voted on, or supports any of the Democratic policy's.
There is no perfection in political party motives.

 

[AntonToo]

And now he has been murdered for it.

The hatred from the left is astounding and sickening.

Your hatered of the left generally is what stands out here, since most of the left pretty clearly condemned the murder.

This includes all, or just about all of prominent Democrats, so it seems that you see what you want to see.

 

[Hellokitty]

Not to offend but how many have changed any of their views as a result?

How much time and energy did it take?

I digress.

I'll go back to popcorn duties.

There have been large swings of people leaving the democrat party. Kirk was winning minds and making people think.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Trump vows to nominate a woman for US supreme court vacancy within a week

President says he has ‘obligation’ to fill the vacancy created by the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg

www.theguardian.com

He was announcing he had made his pick of a woman after considering a diverse panel of candidates.

Biden went to black woman before the incumbents seat was even cold.

 

[BackAgain]

The other side isn't looking for common ground or compromise - it seeks demands acquiescence.
As such, there's no reason to talk to them.

I agree in general. But, even here at USMB, I have found some rare liberals who are willing and able to discuss issues in a coherent manner.

While I may not convince them of my position and vice versa, at least a few of them exist (in my experience) who can at least manage the reasonable basics of discussion.

 

[Marener]

He was announcing he had made his pick of a woman after considering a diverse panel of candidates.

Biden went to black woman before the incumbents seat was even cold.

Read the article before making yourself look stupid.

It says:
I will be putting forth a nominee next week. It will be a woman,” Trump said. “I think it should be a woman because I actually like women much more than men.”

He added that he did not yet know whom he would choose.

He said this the day after Ginsberg died.

 

[AntonToo]

There have been large swings of people leaving the democrat party. Kirk was winning minds and making people think.

HUGE swings! Watchout!

 

[Delldude]

This includes all, or just about all of prominent Democrats, so it seems that you see what you want to see.

Why won't they come out and publicly express how wrong this was?

Don't think it has anything to do with alienating their political base ahead of the midterms do you?

The other side isn't looking for common ground or compromise - it seeks demands acquiescence.
As such, there's no reason to talk to them

Good point

How many times did the left refuse Kirk on their campuses or disrupt open debate?

 

[Correll]

Well, so did Trump before he appointed ACB. Not exactly a novel approach to governance.

Correct. It was wrong when he did it too.

You’re ignoring her qualifications and filling it full of your own moronic takes.

BIDEN ignored the qualifications of every potential candidate who was not a black female.

Every white male. Every black male. Every white woman. None of them were considered at all, because of DEI.

Qualifications of which where Harris was extremely well qualified....

Irrelevant to this issue.

And--oh by the way--they won the election by 9M votes.

??????

 

[AntonToo]

Why won't they come out and publicly express how wrong this was?

They did, even if you didn't see it.

Give me a name and I should be able to find their condemnation of it.

Some others have floated names like Omar and sure enough there was a public condemnation.

 

[jc456]

A conversation can include “debate.”

If anyone says “Charlie Kirk was a fascist,” I can engage in that discussion by denying the claim as false, putting the onus on the one making the claim to support it factually.

Charlie Kirk was very good at getting to the root of claims made by some of his discussion “opponents.” Challenges the underlying suppositions or suppressed premises. Present evidence to support his reasons for denying that assumption. Perfectly willing to then consider any answer given.

Real discussion. Real debate.

And now he has been murdered for it.

The hatred from the left is astounding and sickening.

well, it's why demofks won't engage in a discussion or debate, they don't have any facts or truths to use. they prefer to insult and filibuster.

 

[Hellokitty]

I have no idea. I'm sure throngs of them have, but they are afraid of their own party turning on them. Some want to change, but are afraid to come out and show it. That's why I refrain from broadbrushing them. It leaves no place for those who have changed their views to seek a safe haven.

You mentioned moderates in previous post. Would you expand on how you identify moderate views on the left?
I've seen a lot on the left denounce Kirk being assassinated while demonizing him as a fascist/racist in the same sentence. Would you consider this a moderate view?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Read the article before making yourself look stupid.

It says:
I will be putting forth a nominee next week. It will be a woman,” Trump said. “I think it should be a woman because I actually like women much more than men.”

He added that he did not yet know whom he would choose.

He said this the day after Ginsberg died.

He / his administration had already been meeting with perspective candidates during Ginsburg extended absence in preparation. The day she kicked it he was ready to go.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Why won't they come out and publicly express how wrong this was?

Or publicly express how wrong this was, without then bring up Trump or whatever whataboutism the can come up with.

How many times did the left refuse Kirk on their campuses or disrupt open debate?

I will guess "A lot".

 

[Delldude]

They did, even if you didn't see it.

Then post their names and comments.

 

[leftwinger]

Lol. The left has no power in this country. You’ve been duped. Wake the **** up!

Other than GOVERNOR & 90% of Congress & every big city mayor being hard-core leftist puke. Wake up.

 

[Marener]

He / his administration had already been meeting with perspective candidates during Ginsburg extended absence in preparation. The day she kicked it he was ready to go.

So you’re just going to ignore what he said about it?