Let's focus on COVID deaths

[Thinker101]

San Francisco, always a crowd pleaser, had 621 people die of drug overdoses so far this year.

Last year, 441 people died of drug overdoses — a 70% increase from 2018. Meanwhile, there has been 173 deaths from COVID-19 in the city so far....and Nancy has her ice cream.

Overdose deaths far outpace COVID-19 deaths in San Francisco.

 

[DGS49]

It is amazing to observe, but our "Leaders" are not paying close attention to the death statistics (other than gross numbers), to tailor their strategies accordingly.

That is a remarkably low number for San Fran, but one suspects it is because there are not a lot of nursing homes or, relatively speaking, very old people.

Sadly, that wonderful city is completely shut down because of amazingly stupid public policy.

 

[Nostra]

 

[Indeependent]

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Do me a favor and never post another meme that appears above Nancy's sagging breasts.

 

[WEATHER53]

Let’s don’t
Let’s tally every death in USA in 2020 and declare it Covid. Mostly what we are doing anyway

 

[HappyJoy]

San Francisco, always a crowd pleaser, had 621 people die of drug overdoses so far this year.

Last year, 441 people died of drug overdoses — a 70% increase from 2018. Meanwhile, there has been 173 deaths from COVID-19 in the city so far....and Nancy has her ice cream.

Overdose deaths far outpace COVID-19 deaths in San Francisco.

So, what you are saying is that people are stuck in their houses and ODing because of depression or lack of anything else to do?

 

[Rigby5]

It is very simple.
Every single established epidemic in the past always was ended by herd immunity.
Whether it was Polio or Ebola, the infection got too greedy and used up all of its local hosts, so then died out.
That is also what ends every seasonal flu.
But with covid-19, we prevented that by "flattening the curve".
Which then prevented the spike that normally burns out the available local hosts.
And then by conserving hosts, that allows the epidemic to last essentially forever.
So instead of 50k death in March, we flattened it to 30k per month, forever.
Not a smart move.

 

[HappyJoy]

It is very simple.
Every single established epidemic in the past always was ended by herd immunity.
Whether it was Polio or Ebola, the infection got too greedy and used up all of its local hosts, so then died out.
That is also what ends every seasonal flu.
But with covid-19, we prevented that by "flattening the curve".
Which then prevented the spike that normally burns out the available local hosts.
And then by conserving hosts, that allows the epidemic to last essentially forever.
So instead of 50k death in March, we flattened it to 30k per month, forever.
Not a smart move.

We got a vaccine for polio, I don't remember there ever being herd immunity for it or Ebola. What?

 

[Rigby5]

San Francisco, always a crowd pleaser, had 621 people die of drug overdoses so far this year.

Last year, 441 people died of drug overdoses — a 70% increase from 2018. Meanwhile, there has been 173 deaths from COVID-19 in the city so far....and Nancy has her ice cream.

Overdose deaths far outpace COVID-19 deaths in San Francisco.

So, what you are saying is that people are stuck in their houses and ODing because of depression or lack of anything else to do?

It it not just lack of recreation, but the tension of having their businesses fail, jobs lost, mortgages foreclosed, rental eviction, etc.
Drug use is a function of depression and escape from a horrible reality.
This whole lock down was a terrible idea for dozens of reasons.
I doubt the economy will ever recover.
The only people left with any money will be Pfizer, Moderna, etc.

 

[HappyJoy]

San Francisco, always a crowd pleaser, had 621 people die of drug overdoses so far this year.

Last year, 441 people died of drug overdoses — a 70% increase from 2018. Meanwhile, there has been 173 deaths from COVID-19 in the city so far....and Nancy has her ice cream.

Overdose deaths far outpace COVID-19 deaths in San Francisco.

So, what you are saying is that people are stuck in their houses and ODing because of depression or lack of anything else to do?

It it not just lack of recreation, but the tension of having their businesses fail, jobs lost, mortgages foreclosed, rental eviction, etc.
Drug use is a function of depression and escape from a horrible reality.
This whole lock down was a terrible idea for dozens of reasons.
I doubt the economy will ever recover.
The only people left with any money will be Pfizer, Moderna, etc.

Ok, now if you don't mind go back to the link that you provided and quote the portion of the article that gives the cause.

EDIT: Not you but the OP.

 

[Rigby5]

It is very simple.
Every single established epidemic in the past always was ended by herd immunity.
Whether it was Polio or Ebola, the infection got too greedy and used up all of its local hosts, so then died out.
That is also what ends every seasonal flu.
But with covid-19, we prevented that by "flattening the curve".
Which then prevented the spike that normally burns out the available local hosts.
And then by conserving hosts, that allows the epidemic to last essentially forever.
So instead of 50k death in March, we flattened it to 30k per month, forever.
Not a smart move.

We got a vaccine for polio, I don't remember there ever being herd immunity for it or Ebola. What?

No the last Polio epidemic was in 1948, and we did not get the Salk vaccine until 1957, after it was 95% over.
With all epidemics, not just Polio and Ebola, it was herd immunity that ended it, like Hong Kong flu, Asian flu, Avian flu, SARS, MERS, etc.
But a vaccine also relies on herd immunity.
Any time you do not need 100% of the population to be immune and still kill off the pathogen, that is herd immunity.
Ebola also is fought with quarantine, but what ends it in the quarantines area is herd immunity.
The virus is too greedy and is so infectious that is uses up all the available local hosts too quickly.
They it runs out, and dies.
That would have also happened to covid-19 in March, is we had not deliberately conserved hosts, so that the virus would not run out, and could last forever.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

San Francisco, always a crowd pleaser, had 621 people die of drug overdoses so far this year.

Last year, 441 people died of drug overdoses — a 70% increase from 2018. Meanwhile, there has been 173 deaths from COVID-19 in the city so far....and Nancy has her ice cream.

Overdose deaths far outpace COVID-19 deaths in San Francisco.

It is so obvious the dem leaders along with world leaders are fulfilling the nwo agenda that bush,Obama and clinton all mentioned which what they were referring to,was to depopulate the world.

 

[ABikerSailor]

It is very simple.
Every single established epidemic in the past always was ended by herd immunity.
Whether it was Polio or Ebola, the infection got too greedy and used up all of its local hosts, so then died out.
That is also what ends every seasonal flu.
But with covid-19, we prevented that by "flattening the curve".
Which then prevented the spike that normally burns out the available local hosts.
And then by conserving hosts, that allows the epidemic to last essentially forever.
So instead of 50k death in March, we flattened it to 30k per month, forever.
Not a smart move.

We got a vaccine for polio, I don't remember there ever being herd immunity for it or Ebola. What?

No the last Polio epidemic was in 1948, and we did not get the Salk vaccine until 1957, after it was 95% over.
With all epidemics, not just Polio and Ebola, it was herd immunity that ended it, like Hong Kong flu, Asian flu, Avian flu, SARS, MERS, etc.
But a vaccine also relies on herd immunity.
Any time you do not need 100% of the population to be immune and still kill off the pathogen, that is herd immunity.
Ebola also is fought with quarantine, but what ends it in the quarantines area is herd immunity.
The virus is too greedy and is so infectious that is uses up all the available local hosts too quickly.
They it runs out, and dies.
That would have also happened to covid-19 in March, is we had not deliberately conserved hosts, so that the virus would not run out, and could last forever.

You're an idiot if you think that Ebola can be contained with herd immunity. Ebola kills damn near everyone that is infected. Those that survive are very few. What? You want the whole world to die?

 

[Rigby5]

San Francisco, always a crowd pleaser, had 621 people die of drug overdoses so far this year.

Last year, 441 people died of drug overdoses — a 70% increase from 2018. Meanwhile, there has been 173 deaths from COVID-19 in the city so far....and Nancy has her ice cream.

Overdose deaths far outpace COVID-19 deaths in San Francisco.

So, what you are saying is that people are stuck in their houses and ODing because of depression or lack of anything else to do?

It it not just lack of recreation, but the tension of having their businesses fail, jobs lost, mortgages foreclosed, rental eviction, etc.
Drug use is a function of depression and escape from a horrible reality.
This whole lock down was a terrible idea for dozens of reasons.
I doubt the economy will ever recover.
The only people left with any money will be Pfizer, Moderna, etc.

Ok, now if you don't mind go back to the link that you provided and quote the portion of the article that gives the cause.

EDIT: Not you but the OP.

Good point.
While I would like to blame the lock down, the stats for last year make that a hard sell.
{... Last year, 441 people died of drug overdoses — a 70% increase from 2018 ...}
Seems fentanyl use is exploding even before the epidemic.
However, it still does show that the virus is not as significant as the fentanyl problem.

 

[WEATHER53]

It is very simple.
Every single established epidemic in the past always was ended by herd immunity.
Whether it was Polio or Ebola, the infection got too greedy and used up all of its local hosts, so then died out.
That is also what ends every seasonal flu.
But with covid-19, we prevented that by "flattening the curve".
Which then prevented the spike that normally burns out the available local hosts.
And then by conserving hosts, that allows the epidemic to last essentially forever.
So instead of 50k death in March, we flattened it to 30k per month, forever.
Not a smart move.

We got a vaccine for polio, I don't remember there ever being herd immunity for it or Ebola. What?

No the last Polio epidemic was in 1948, and we did not get the Salk vaccine until 1957, after it was 95% over.
With all epidemics, not just Polio and Ebola, it was herd immunity that ended it, like Hong Kong flu, Asian flu, Avian flu, SARS, MERS, etc.
But a vaccine also relies on herd immunity.
Any time you do not need 100% of the population to be immune and still kill off the pathogen, that is herd immunity.
Ebola also is fought with quarantine, but what ends it in the quarantines area is herd immunity.
The virus is too greedy and is so infectious that is uses up all the available local hosts too quickly.
They it runs out, and dies.
That would have also happened to covid-19 in March, is we had not deliberately conserved hosts, so that the virus would not run out, and could last forever.

I don’t think the polio epidemic ended in 1948. It was a very real and constant threat until 1957 immunization began. I was passed over initially because the age restriction was 5 or 6 and I was 4. My parents were very relieved when I got the shot. I did know some withered limb children. The big scab on the arm.

 

[HappyJoy]

It is very simple.
Every single established epidemic in the past always was ended by herd immunity.
Whether it was Polio or Ebola, the infection got too greedy and used up all of its local hosts, so then died out.
That is also what ends every seasonal flu.
But with covid-19, we prevented that by "flattening the curve".
Which then prevented the spike that normally burns out the available local hosts.
And then by conserving hosts, that allows the epidemic to last essentially forever.
So instead of 50k death in March, we flattened it to 30k per month, forever.
Not a smart move.

We got a vaccine for polio, I don't remember there ever being herd immunity for it or Ebola. What?

No the last Polio epidemic was in 1948, and we did not get the Salk vaccine until 1957, after it was 95% over.
With all epidemics, not just Polio and Ebola, it was herd immunity that ended it, like Hong Kong flu, Asian flu, Avian flu, SARS, MERS, etc.
But a vaccine also relies on herd immunity.
Any time you do not need 100% of the population to be immune and still kill off the pathogen, that is herd immunity.
Ebola also is fought with quarantine, but what ends it in the quarantines area is herd immunity.
The virus is too greedy and is so infectious that is uses up all the available local hosts too quickly.
They it runs out, and dies.
That would have also happened to covid-19 in March, is we had not deliberately conserved hosts, so that the virus would not run out, and could last forever.

Your claim is that we reached herd immunity with Polio? So, like 70-80% of the country got.....Polio? Do you have some sort of link about Polio and herd immunity that didn't include a vaccine?

Same for Ebola, when did the majority of any country come down with that and not have an atrocious number of deaths?

I think you're bonkers.

 

[Snouter]

Killer Cuomo and other anti-American governors will have to keep doubling down by receiving NWO awards, having ghost writers come up with self-congratulating books, renaming bridges after themselves, etc., basing increases and decreases lockdowns on total bullshit statistics. If there was justice all the governors who participated in "lock downs" should be in prison and all government workers sued to offset the damage they inflicted. And fake ass frauds and domestic terrorists like Fauci should be in Gitmo for life. If the scamdemic was real, there would have been Kung Flu hospitals build by last summer.

 

[HappyJoy]

San Francisco, always a crowd pleaser, had 621 people die of drug overdoses so far this year.

Last year, 441 people died of drug overdoses — a 70% increase from 2018. Meanwhile, there has been 173 deaths from COVID-19 in the city so far....and Nancy has her ice cream.

Overdose deaths far outpace COVID-19 deaths in San Francisco.

So, what you are saying is that people are stuck in their houses and ODing because of depression or lack of anything else to do?

It it not just lack of recreation, but the tension of having their businesses fail, jobs lost, mortgages foreclosed, rental eviction, etc.
Drug use is a function of depression and escape from a horrible reality.
This whole lock down was a terrible idea for dozens of reasons.
I doubt the economy will ever recover.
The only people left with any money will be Pfizer, Moderna, etc.

Ok, now if you don't mind go back to the link that you provided and quote the portion of the article that gives the cause.

EDIT: Not you but the OP.

Good point.
While I would like to blame the lock down, the stats for last year make that a hard sell.
{... Last year, 441 people died of drug overdoses — a 70% increase from 2018 ...}
Seems fentanyl use is exploding even before the epidemic.
However, it still does show that the virus is not as significant as the fentanyl problem.

Gee, why wasn't the virus as significant as drug overdoses in a city that locked down early and has continued to take COVID seriously? Think about it.

 

[HappyJoy]

Killer Cuomo and other anti-American governors will have to keep doubling down by receiving NWO awards, having ghost writers come up with self-congratulating books, renaming bridges after themselves, etc., basing increases and decreases lockdowns on total bullshit statistics. If there was justice all the governors who participated in "lock downs" should be in prison and all government workers sued to offset the damage they inflicted. And fake ass frauds and domestic terrorists like Fauci should be in Gitmo for life. If the scamdemic was real, there would have been Kung Flu hospitals build by last summer.

Ghost writers, that's hilarious considering Trump's has been trashing him for 4 years.

 

[Rigby5]

It is very simple.
Every single established epidemic in the past always was ended by herd immunity.
Whether it was Polio or Ebola, the infection got too greedy and used up all of its local hosts, so then died out.
That is also what ends every seasonal flu.
But with covid-19, we prevented that by "flattening the curve".
Which then prevented the spike that normally burns out the available local hosts.
And then by conserving hosts, that allows the epidemic to last essentially forever.
So instead of 50k death in March, we flattened it to 30k per month, forever.
Not a smart move.

We got a vaccine for polio, I don't remember there ever being herd immunity for it or Ebola. What?

No the last Polio epidemic was in 1948, and we did not get the Salk vaccine until 1957, after it was 95% over.
With all epidemics, not just Polio and Ebola, it was herd immunity that ended it, like Hong Kong flu, Asian flu, Avian flu, SARS, MERS, etc.
But a vaccine also relies on herd immunity.
Any time you do not need 100% of the population to be immune and still kill off the pathogen, that is herd immunity.
Ebola also is fought with quarantine, but what ends it in the quarantines area is herd immunity.
The virus is too greedy and is so infectious that is uses up all the available local hosts too quickly.
They it runs out, and dies.
That would have also happened to covid-19 in March, is we had not deliberately conserved hosts, so that the virus would not run out, and could last forever.

You're an idiot if you think that Ebola can be contained with herd immunity. Ebola kills damn near everyone that is infected. Those that survive are very few. What? You want the whole world to die?

You clearly do not understand what herd immunity is or how epidemics work.
The point is that Ebola always has been ended by herd immunity.
When something is that lethal, it quickly kills off its hosts, so then can't easily spread.
Herd immunity does not mean everyone has to get it, but that in the local area where the virus exists, there is no one left to host the infection.

Quarantine is not in conflict with herd immunity.
They easily work together, just as vaccines can as well.
But the point is that "flattening the curve" is what does NOT work at all, because it deliberately stretched out the epidemic and makes it last longer, which not only kills the maximum number of people, but also makes it much harder to end the epidemic.
Anything fast is good, anything that is slow and makes it last longer is bad.