Let's face it: America kind of sucks

[iamwhatiseem]

So why are we the only modern country without AT LEAST a one month vacation after 1 year of work? Ditto living wage, health care paid parental leave, and we have 26% mentally ill, stressed out and dangerous. Great job, GOP and dupes...home of the heavily armed mentally ill and brainwashed haters...

You are one of the most blind sheep on this forum.
Hilarious

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I am 57, I worked jobs with a lot of labor for about 7 years. I moved into management waaay back which evenetually led to operating a $16m business for 9 years.
Point being, I have done both. Physical labor and Mental labor jobs. And i can tell you without a moment of thought - high stress, mental management work is MUCH harder and strenuous than physical labor work. It's not even close.
Just sayin. It is worse on your body than labor

Hilarious. If you think that's a tough life go run a family farm or ranch for a few years where all of the physical and mental stress falls on you and you're working 12 plus hours a day 6-6.5 days a week.

 

[BrokeLoser]

The US hasn't been "All White" since it was first created. What are you talking about?

we have never been an all white nation, and sure were not in 1980

I like semantics…let’s call it ‘predominantly’ white America in 1980.
Can you find the courage to tackle the question now?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Hilarious. If you think that's a tough life go run a family farm or ranch for a few years where all of the physical and mental stress falls on you and you're working 12 plus hours a day 6-6.5 days a week.

Ranch owner is not the average labor work.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Ranch owner is not the average labor work.

Do tell. What experience do you have running a far or ranch?

 

[Desperado]

Republicans like to pretend that the US is the best country in the world in every way because they cannot stand the thought of other countries doing something better than us. However, the main flaws the US has are much of less of issues in other first world countries.

1) Our healthcare system is garbage with or without ObamaCare.

Republicans like to harp on ObamaCare and pretend that it is rhe reason why our system sucks, but when you ask them the simple of question of "well, was our system good before ObamaCare?", they will refuse to answer. Secretly they know that our healthcare system has always sucked but they will not admit that out loud. But hell, at least ACA improved it to some degree. Republicans secretly like the idea of their healthcare coverage not being denied because of pre-existing conditions, but its another thing they will not admit out loud. Obama came up with it so the knee jerk reaction is that it is terrible.

I also want to point out the myth that republicans have about other first world healthcare systems. They pretend that wait lists run rampant for basic care and that these people suffer. That's of course not true. Systems in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea are all quite high functioning even if they are not perfect.

Here's all the ways comparable, first world national healthcare systems are superior to the US's:

A. Life expectancy is better
B. Premature death rates are lower.
C. Less suffering with long term chronic diseases
D. Healthcare quality and access is far better
E. Maternal morality rates are better.
G. Hospital rates are lower for chronic diseases.
H. Post-operative complications are lower in prevalence.
I. Medication and procedure errors are lower.

And oh yeah, this is thanks to socialized medicine rather than shitty for-profit healthcare very few people can afford.

Now you say that the US does have state of the art treatments in some examples, but this hardly matters if the large majority of the population does not have access to this ridiculously expensive care and the overall nation suffers in areas where it matters most.

How does the quality of the U.S. health system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite spending more money per capita on healthcare than any similarly large and wealthy nation, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and has seen worsening health outcomes since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. This chart collection combines various measures of...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

2. Infrastructure systems are better in comparable nations.

A. The US ranks 13th in infrastructure quality in the world.
B. Only 2% of our GDP spending goes to infrastructure.
C. Airports in other countries are better.
D. High speed rail in the US is half of the speed of comparable countries.
E. Internet connection is much better in other countries.
F. Our roads are shitty in comparison to these other nations. Traffic jams are less severe in such nations.

That's far from "American exceptionalism." Hell, Biden gets credit for at least passing a law making improvements even if it was not enough.



3. Gun violence in the US is far greater than in other countries like Australia, the UK, and Canada.

A. Mass shootings are far more common in the US than other politically stable countries.
B. Gun murders account for 79% of all murders in the US. In Canada it is 37%, Australia 13%, and the UK is 4%
C. Gun deaths per capita are FAR higher than in other countries.

Gun Violence in the US Far Exceeds Levels in Other Rich Nations

Gun violence is a huge issue in many other countries—just none that the US would consider a peer.

www.bloomberg.com

4) Wealth inequality is one of the worst in the world.

In 2020, the top 20% of the population earned 52.2% of all U.S. income. The median household income fell significantly for the first time since 2011 to $67,521. That's 2.9% down from 2019's number. The richest of the rich, the top 5%, earned 23% of all income.

The Cause of Income Inequality in America

U.S. income inequality has worsened significantly in the past 30 years. What does income inequality look like in the United States and what are the causes?

www.thebalance.com

5) Poverty rates are lower in other counties.

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are proof that poverty in the US doesn't have to be this high

In 2004, the US child poverty rate was about 12 percent. Denmark's was less than 2 percent.

www.vox.com

Conclusion: America kind of sucks. I know inevitably the response I am going to get to this thread will be somewhere along the lines of "if you don't like it here, leave!" Well see the truth of the matter is that I think America is great in some ways and I would rather stay here and fix what is wrong with it.

If you don't like it here than move. No one is stopping you.

 

[cnm]

as a nation I feel we can do better than "at least we are better than the shithole 3rd world counties close by"

But it seems to be a good enough metric for a fair few America Firsters.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Do tell. What experience do you have running a far or ranch?

Positively zero.
I am saying it isn't the average labor work, like factory floor... construction work etc.
Being a farmer or rancher is a unique vocation that doesn't really compare to anything else.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Positively zero.
I am saying it isn't the average labor work, like factory floor... construction work etc.
Being a farmer or rancher is a unique vocation that doesn't really compare to anything else.

You have therefore no basis at all for your claims. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[cnm]

I don't think anyone thinks the US is perfect.
I do believe that most think it's way ahead of the second place country.

So, the best country.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Still two genders but sometimes trapped in wrong body. It's called progress and tolerance and separation of church and state, and science. Remain calm and change the gd channel...

No it's called lunacy.

2,000,000 years of human biological development vs modern day leftwing logic.

I'll go with the science on this one.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

You have therefore no basis at all for your claims. Thanks for clearing that up.

Dude... I was comparing labor work like factory work, construction etc. to high level management jobs.
You took that and went off about farming and ranching. Which was no part of what I was talking about

 

[francoHFW]

Can you link to this democrat proposal?

How is a "work card" going to be harder to forge than the I-9 documents already required to work legally in the US?

2010 dem bill started with id card, but was dropped because that's communism lol...been happening for years...google it.

easily...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I like semantics…let’s call it ‘predominantly’ white America in 1980.
Can you find the courage to tackle the question now?

A couple things....we were not anymore predominantly white in 1980 than we are now.

And we were no greater then than we are now.

 

[francoHFW]

No it's called lunacy.

2,000,000 years of human biological development vs modern day leftwing logic.

I'll go with the science on this one.

wrong again and always....ask psychiatry

 

[francoHFW]

You are one of the most blind sheep on this forum.
Hilarious

Any actual argument, troll....Your whole base are trolls after a couple bogus talking points...

 

[cnm]

We aren't the only, "Modern Country" without such benefits.

List the others.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

List the others.

The rest of the countries outside of Europe.

 

[francoHFW]

So, the best country.

Yes yes, the worst inequality upward mobility prison population mass murder and stupidity brainwash are great!! Reaganism giveaway to the rich is a disaster...

 

[cnm]

The rest of the countries outside of Europe.

What a load.

Oh. Texas. Right.