Let's Examine the Claims of Atheists

[Ringtone]

Atheism can also be defined as 1) “the belief that God does not exist” or 2) “denial of the existence of God”. This 2nd definition makes the most sense. According to your definition someone who employs reason and thinks God exists sans belief would be an atheist which is of course absurd.

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Your definition is like a participation trophy, you want the thrill of accomplishment without actually doing anything.

As I observed in the above, atheism defined merely as a lack of belief in the existence of divinity is rather trivial.

Yet that is the definition. And generalizing outside of that is fairly useless. The only thing that can generally be said about atheists is that the lack a belief in gods.

Any given inanimate entity lacks belief, and in my experience, atheists routinely deny the existence of God.

Not all atheists. Not even most, I'd wager. Most of us never bother. Most of us rarely tell anyone we're atheists - largely because of the stereotypes being bandied about in this thread.

By the way, I don't think dblack himself is an atheist.

You can think whatever you want.

I do know that he holds that the Universe (the physical world) began to exist in the finite past . . . unless he has since changed his mind.

Don't recall making the claim. Nor to I see how it matters.

I can only go by my experience on interactive social media. Most atheists I've encountered either wittingly or unwittingly make claims that amount to the denial of God's existence. Given that the idea of God objectively exists in and of itself, i.e., given that it imposes itself on the human mind without the human mind willing that it do so, the flat-out denial of God's existence is irrational.

A couple of years ago, you and I countered a handful of atheists who insisted that the Universe was eternal, which is a logical and mathematical absurdity. We also discussed the pertinent science regarding the beginning of the same in the finite past.

So you have changed your mind?

As for your theology or lack thereof, I do not recall you making any emphatic commitment, but assumed that you were in all likelihood a theist. That's all.

 

[dblack]

I can only go by my experience on interactive social media.

There's the problem right there. I've never once mentioned being an atheist on social-media. Mostly just assholes doing that.

It's kind of like the Q-anon Trumpster thing. Even though I've done it myself, it's totally unfair to suggest that all - or even most - Trump supporters are Q-anon believers. Some of them are, and they tend to be the loudest and most ridiculous so we remember them. But that doesn't mean being a Trump supporter is synonymous with belief in Q-anon. Likewise, being an atheist is not synonymous with being "anti-god" or "anti-religion".

A couple of years ago, you and I countered a handful of atheists who insisted that the Universe was eternal, which is a logical and mathematical absurdity. We also discussed the pertinent science regarding the beginning of the same in the finite past.

So you have changed your mind?

I honestly don't recall. Presently, I don't see either view as strongly compelling. Mostly, we just don't know.

As for your theology or lack thereof, I do not recall you making any emphatic commitment, but assumed that you were in all likelihood a theist. That's all.

I actually have a (very) qualified belief in the existence of all gods - and maybe I was discussing that. But by most folks' conception of what gods are, I'd be considered an atheist.

 

[Ringtone]

I can only go by my experience on interactive social media.

There's the problem right there. I've never once mentioned being an atheist on social-media. Mostly just assholes doing that.

It's kind of like the Q-anon Trumpster thing. Even though I've done it myself, it's totally unfair to suggest that all - or even most - Trump supporters are Q-anon believers. Some of them are, and they tend to be the loudest and most ridiculous so we remember them. But that doesn't mean being a Trump supporter is synonymous with belief in Q-anon. Likewise, being an atheist is not synonymous with being "anti-god" or "anti-religion".

A couple of years ago, you and I countered a handful of atheists who insisted that the Universe was eternal, which is a logical and mathematical absurdity. We also discussed the pertinent science regarding the beginning of the same in the finite past.

So you have changed your mind?

I honestly don't recall. Presently, I don't see either view as strongly compelling. Mostly, we just don't know.

As for your theology or lack thereof, I do not recall you making any emphatic commitment, but assumed that you were in all likelihood a theist. That's all.

I actually have a (very) qualified belief in the existence of all gods - and maybe I was discussing that. But by most folks' conception of what gods are, I'd be considered an atheist.

But I never made any assertion about what most atheists hold. I merely observed that most of those I've encountered on interactive social media either wittingly and unwittingly deny God's existence. That's all.

The notion of an eternal Universe is logically and mathematically absurd. An actual infinite cannot exist in nature. An infinite regress of causality cannot be traversed to the present.

 

[harmonica]

Let's Examine Claims of Atheists

The Fallacy of Science vs. Religion

The atheists' frequent claim that science and religion are mutually exclusive is demonstrably false. If atheists were as "rational" and "intelligent" as they are always claiming, they would not resort to mendacity. Science pursues truth.

The list of scientists as men and women faith is long and growing.

List of Christians in science and technology - Wikipedia

“Science is not only compatible with spirituality, it is a profound source of spirituality. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”
” - Demon Haunted World, page 29, by Carl Sagan

“I believe in God more because of science than in spite of it.” – William Phillips, Nobel Laureate in Physics
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The Atheist Claim of Rationality and Intellectual Superiority


If atheists are, on average, intellectually superior to people of faith, then why do they abandon their religious belief in atheism at a rate higher than any other group? (The Supreme Court has adjudged atheism a religion.)




Atheists marry less, by far, than those of faith.

Recently the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life has published its mammoth study on Religion in America based on 35,000 interviews... According to the Pew Forum a whopping 37% of atheists never marry as opposed to 19% of the American population, 17% of Protestants and 17% of Catholics.[3]
The religious have better mental health into adulthood.
The abstract for the journal article Health and Well-Being Among the Non-religious: Atheists, Agnostics, and No Preference Compared with Religious Group Members published in the Journal of Religion and Health indicates: "On dimensions related to psychological well-being, atheists and agnostics tended to have worse outcomes than either those with religious affiliation or those with no religious preference."[2]
Global News reported:
“ Children who are raised with religious or spiritual beliefs tend to have better mental health into their adulthood, a new study from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health found.
According to the study’s findings, people who attended weekly religious services or prayed or meditated daily in their childhood reported greater life satisfaction in their 20s. People who grew up in a religious household also reported fewer symptoms of depression and lower rates of post-traumatic stress disorder.[3]
People of faith live longer than atheists.
For the study, a team of Ohio University academics, including associate professor of psychology Christian End, analysed more than 1,500 obituaries from across the US to piece together how the defining features of our lives affect our longevity.
These records include religious affiliations and marriage details as well as information on activities, hobbies and habits, which can help or hinder our health, not otherwise captured in census data.

The study, published in Social Psychological and Personality Science today, found that on average people whose obituary mentioned they were religious lived an extra 5.64 years.
Atheists commit suicide far more often than those of faith, which is clearly not "rational"
"Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns" in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005). In examining various indicators of societal health, Zuckerman concludes about suicide:
"Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization's report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine, and Latvia. Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism."[3]
The list of atheist shooters and serial killers does not correspond to claims of intellectual superiority and rationality.

Atheists have a long record of being mass shooters and militant atheism in general has a causal association with mass murder.
Due to this fact, peer reviewed research published in academic journals has found that society-at-large is likely to hold atheists responsible for capital criminal acts and that even atheists are likely to assume that serial killers are fellow atheists.[2][3][4]
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“The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advance of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble.” – Adolf Hitler

"...indoctrinating them (scholars) with materialism, atheism, and the theory of evolution - the Chinese Communist Party systematically brainwashed a new generation of students, instilling hatred toward traditional culture. ... the CCP promoted atheism and launched ideological attacks against the belief in god.... using methods of violence and high pressure to suppress, persecute and, eliminate religions including the murder of religious practitioners." - The Epoch Times, July 29, 2019


Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins became atheists after long and exhaustive rational inquiries into the existence of God, both at the age of nine. - The Irrational Atheist, by Vox Day, page 243

The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined. – The Irrational Atheist, by Vox Day, page 240


Irrational Atheism

Atheists always claim to be more rational and more intelligent than Christians. They do not provide evidence of their arrogant, pretentious claim, but even if they did, it does not begin to prove their claim that God does not exist. Implied but not stated is the presumption that BECAUSE atheists are much smarter than you are, THEY must be right, and YOU must be wrong. That does not logically follow, and is a clear Fallacy of the Argument From Authority. So the statement of intellectual superiority itself is irrational.


Atheists claim that "there is no proof" of God. They seem blissfully ignorant of the fact that proof only exists in mathematics. So says mathematics professor John Lennox, of Oxford University.

His remark is echoed by the late Carl Sagan, a militant agnostic and Leftist, who said, "Nothing is known for certain except in pure mathematics." Atheists seem to dispute even their beloved Carl Sagan as they insist that they know for certain that Darwin was indisputably right, though it is not known "for certain," according to Sagan, and therefore, what need for God? Atheists Stalin and Hitler agreed wholeheartedly.

'''''atheists = mass shooters'''''--you fkd up there
......Christian /christian countries have caused the most death/destruction/etc
Spain, Britain, Belgium, US, etc etc

Wonder how many people died during the Holy Crusades.,,how many died believing they were fighting for God. Most of not all wars are fought by armies convinced God was on their side. We were convinced God was on our side in WWII while the German army had 'God is with us' itched on their belt buckles.

Spain, Belgium, UK, etc -all christian countries did much destruction and murder --and robbery

 

[harmonica]

There are hundreds more.......

"My thoughts are not your thoughts and my ways are not your ways." - Nature's God

Because you misunderstand does not make it wrong. You don't know a fraction of a fraction of reality.

Proof There Is No God

ProofThereIsNoGod.blogspot.com

I see no counterpoints to the easy to read bible errors I posted, how come that is always the case when I put Christians on the spot, they either completely ignore it or post an evasive long winded link that doesn't address it.

You intentionally misunderstand and misinterpret Bible passages. You put nobody on the spot with your ignorant misunderstanding. Not cool. Your outlandish idea that the universe made itself is preposterous on its face and yet you persist in it.

Your pretense that you are *smarter* than non-atheists is contradicted by your claims, your beliefs, your social and scientific failures, and your personal miseries which are thoroughly documented.

We feel sorry for you and your arrogant brethren. You make your own hell and live in it.

you can interpret the bible many ways

There are very few honest ways to interpret scripture, and the only one valid is with guidance from the Holy Spirit. Now a passage of scripture can have more than one meaning; however, those means don't contradict but enhance each other. I've never been unhappy when following CHRIST. It is when I don't that I find myself at whits end. I cannot imagine life without GOD ----- it cannot be a joyous one...

The honest way YOU should respond is address the post 60 as it is, all of it came from the bible, but you will refuse because that requires critical thinking which Theists can't allow or they would realize there are indeed serious contradiction and impossibilities to overcome. It is the typical response of those who invest heavily in a FAITH because there is no specific evidence that god exist, that is why faith is pushed so hard, it is the way to maintain a delusion.

Since I left religion as being a Deacon in church in 1990, my life became better and happier for it. Have bought Telescopes to enjoyed the Night Sky, Once owned a 25" F5 Obsession Telescope of which I gave THOUSANDS of people free viewing in City Parks and at The Oregon Star Party, now I own an 18* F 4.5 Telescope.

You have no idea what it is like to be free of an old delusion, one that causes many church members to suffer, one where they have been exploited many times over the centuries by the church. They were kept illiterate, serfs for centuries, thus given a bunch of NON biblical based religious practices that required money or you be punished, sometimes with loss of limbs. It is basically a money based racket clothed in beautiful paintings, sculptures and expensive churches (the bible never supports such arrangement) Some pastors charge money for prayers, and request funding to keep their silly local TV show on the air in a saturated Christian public...., why the continual drive to keep people tied to church rituals, when the bible itself doesn't require it.

Cheers.

Are religious people happier, healthier? Our new global study explores this question

In many countries, actively religious people are more likely than their less-religious peers to describe themselves as very happy.

www.pewresearch.org

Christians are Happier - Ways to Faith

Christians are happier than their secular counterparts, with less suicide, depression, longer lifespan and healthier lifestyle.

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1. total BULLSHIT--these are like POLLS--they don't ask anywhere NEAR even HALF of the population
2. and that's no proof of god
3.we KNOW the christian nations murdered/robbed and destroyed many people and countries --so that trumps your idiotic POLL

 

[Ben Thomson]

I think religion is basically a philosophy that helps people overcome their natural fear of dying. You don't really die, you go to a more beautiful place with no pain and suffering. For those that 'believe' anyway, the others (atheists) go to place where there is pain and suffering (hell). Children are indoctrinated early in life to never question that, if they do it's the devil making them do it and if they don't stop questioning God they will go to that bad place. It's a built in fail safe mechanism to keep people in line. Of course man eventually found out how to make money from it. That's why religion has evolved into a business with some religious leaders flying around in personal jets.

 

[mamooth]

Given that the idea of God objectively exists in and of itself, i.e., given that it imposes itself on the human mind without the human mind willing that it do so,

"Given"?

Oh, that's right. That's how you say "I'm just making something up, and I have no evidence for it, but I still demand you accept it."

If that's not the case, then surely you'll be able to supply some hard evidence to back up your claim there. Please proceed.

 

[harmonica]

Atheists don't make claims. That's what theists do.

Atheists make claims all the time.

It is easy to expose the bible errors, now watch how Theists react:

Genesis

God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). 1:3-5

God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. This firmament, if it existed, would have been quite an obstacle to our space program. 1:6-8

Cain is worried after killing Abel and says, "Every one who finds me shall slay me." This is a strange concern since there were only two other humans alive at the time -- his parents! 4:14

Numbers

The Israelite population went from seventy (Ex.1:5) to several million (over 600,000 adult males) in just a few generations! 1:45-46

Judges

Every male Midianite was killed during the time of Moses (Num.31:7), and yet just a few years later they flourish like grasshoppers "without number." 6:1-6

Matthew

There are 29 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew's genealogy, while Luke's (3:23-31) has 43. Except for David at one end and Jesus at the other, there are only three names in the two lists that are the same. 1:6-16

Luke

In Luke's gospel, God addresses Jesus directly saying, "Thou art my beloved son." But Matthew (3:17) has God speak to those witnessing Jesus' baptism, by saying: "This is my beloved son." Whatever the exact wording, it is strange that after witnessing this even, John the Baptist is still unsure about Jesus (Mt.11:2-3, Lk.7:19). 3:22

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There are hundreds more.......

their answer:
god did it
god can do anything
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

So what is so wrong with saying GOD did it, when in fact GOD does it? Why should I or anyone disregard the obvious and try to develop a theory excluding GOD ---- because one wishes to believe GOD cannot exist. Laugh all you wish, but any other opinion is not without issues, and clearly GOD does make HIMSELF known to those sincerely seeking HIM needing help.

.....plain and simple--you can't prove there is a god....YOU people claim that--YOU have to prove it or else it's plain bullshit
..I can claim jesus took me to the moon for a ham sandwich ...he did that

I don't have to prove that GOD exists. I know it. I know it even more sure than that I had a Great-great-great grandfather. If you are not interested or don't wish to explore creation, history, and prophetic reality ----- that is on your head and not mine. I've certainly persevered and am willing to continue; however, there does come a time when the disciple is told to shake the dust from his sandals and move on to those who the LORD has be encouraging to show interest...

1. all of that babbling just means you can't prove there is a god
2. you just BELIEVE there is a god--you don't know it
3. no, you don't have to prove it--but if you don't that just means you are babbling/telling fairytales/etc

 

[mamooth]

The notion of an eternal Universe is logically and mathematically absurd. An actual infinite cannot exist in nature. An infinite regress of causality cannot be traversed to the present

And what does that have to do with atheism?

Nothing? So why do you keep bringing it up?

Try discussing what atheists actually believe, instead of your strawmen about what this one atheist you talked to said. I mean, you can find a few religious people who say the universe is eternal, but that doesn't logically lead to a conclusion that religion is wrong.

 

[dblack]

I can only go by my experience on interactive social media.

There's the problem right there. I've never once mentioned being an atheist on social-media. Mostly just assholes doing that.

It's kind of like the Q-anon Trumpster thing. Even though I've done it myself, it's totally unfair to suggest that all - or even most - Trump supporters are Q-anon believers. Some of them are, and they tend to be the loudest and most ridiculous so we remember them. But that doesn't mean being a Trump supporter is synonymous with belief in Q-anon. Likewise, being an atheist is not synonymous with being "anti-god" or "anti-religion".

A couple of years ago, you and I countered a handful of atheists who insisted that the Universe was eternal, which is a logical and mathematical absurdity. We also discussed the pertinent science regarding the beginning of the same in the finite past.

So you have changed your mind?

I honestly don't recall. Presently, I don't see either view as strongly compelling. Mostly, we just don't know.

As for your theology or lack thereof, I do not recall you making any emphatic commitment, but assumed that you were in all likelihood a theist. That's all.

I actually have a (very) qualified belief in the existence of all gods - and maybe I was discussing that. But by most folks' conception of what gods are, I'd be considered an atheist.

But I never made any assertion about what most atheists hold. I merely observed that most of those I've encountered on interactive social media either wittingly and unwittingly deny God's existence. That's all.

OK

The notion of an eternal Universe is logically and mathematically absurd. An actual infinite cannot exist in nature. An infinite regress of causality cannot be traversed to the present.

If you say so.

 

[harmonica]

The notion of an eternal Universe is logically and mathematically absurd. An actual infinite cannot exist in nature. An infinite regress of causality cannot be traversed to the present

And what does that have to do with atheism?

Nothing? So why do you keep bringing it up?

Try discussing what atheists actually believe, instead of your strawmen about what this one atheist you talked to said. I mean, you can find a few religious people who say the universe is eternal, but that doesn't logically lead to a conclusion that religion is wrong.

atheist is a ''goofy''' term:
-----a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
...the definition sounds like a god does exist--which it doesn't
...atheists do not have to believe anything--and THERE is the other thing = BELIEVE = opinion/etc = worthless ......--religions are beliefs--made up fairy tales

 

[Meriweather]

atheist is a ''goofy''' term:
-----a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
...the definition sounds like a god does exist--which it doesn't
...atheists do not have to believe anything--and THERE is the other thing = BELIEVE = opinion/etc = worthless ......--religions are beliefs--made up fairy tales

How about, Atheists are those who give no credence to the beliefs of others?

 

[dblack]

atheist is a ''goofy''' term:
-----a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
...the definition sounds like a god does exist--which it doesn't
...atheists do not have to believe anything--and THERE is the other thing = BELIEVE = opinion/etc = worthless ......--religions are beliefs--made up fairy tales

How about, Atheists are those who give no credence to the beliefs of others?

Wow... couldn't be further from the truth. As an atheist, unless you're just a jerk who enjoys offending others, you learn quickly to respect beliefs that you don't share. Because almost everyone you meet will have beliefs you don't share.

 

[harmonica]

atheist is a ''goofy''' term:
-----a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
...the definition sounds like a god does exist--which it doesn't
...atheists do not have to believe anything--and THERE is the other thing = BELIEVE = opinion/etc = worthless ......--religions are beliefs--made up fairy tales

How about, Atheists are those who give no credence to the beliefs of others?

Wow... couldn't be further from the truth. As an atheist, unless you're just a jerk who enjoys offending others, you learn quickly to respect beliefs that you don't share. Because almost everyone you meet will have beliefs you don't share.

..I've found out that christians are not only intolerant, they are like children that use insults--they do it here on USMB!

 

[Meriweather]

Wow... couldn't be further from the truth. As an atheist, unless you're just a jerk who enjoys offending others, you learn quickly to respect beliefs that you don't share. Because almost everyone you meet will have beliefs you don't share.

Not giving credence is not anywhere close to not respecting someone. Notice Harmonica was pointing out atheists do not need to be assigned a lack. I get that, which means all that is left to address is what others bring up.

 

[harmonica]

atheist is a ''goofy''' term:
-----a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
...the definition sounds like a god does exist--which it doesn't
...atheists do not have to believe anything--and THERE is the other thing = BELIEVE = opinion/etc = worthless ......--religions are beliefs--made up fairy tales

How about, Atheists are those who give no credence to the beliefs of others?

what????!!!!!!!!!??????
1. you people don't even get the SIMPLE point I've stated many times= you can't and don't prove there is a god
2. NO ONE should give credence to anyone who can't prove their claims--and theists do not even give a LITTLE proof --anywhere near proof
3. what if I said I BELIEVE hitler was a good guy?? or I BELIEVE the KKK is great? etc????

 

[Thunderbird]

There are hundreds more.......

"My thoughts are not your thoughts and my ways are not your ways." - Nature's God

Because you misunderstand does not make it wrong. You don't know a fraction of a fraction of reality.

Proof There Is No God

ProofThereIsNoGod.blogspot.com

I see no counterpoints to the easy to read bible errors I posted, how come that is always the case when I put Christians on the spot, they either completely ignore it or post an evasive long winded link that doesn't address it.

You intentionally misunderstand and misinterpret Bible passages. You put nobody on the spot with your ignorant misunderstanding. Not cool. Your outlandish idea that the universe made itself is preposterous on its face and yet you persist in it.

Your pretense that you are *smarter* than non-atheists is contradicted by your claims, your beliefs, your social and scientific failures, and your personal miseries which are thoroughly documented.

We feel sorry for you and your arrogant brethren. You make your own hell and live in it.

you can interpret the bible many ways

There are very few honest ways to interpret scripture, and the only one valid is with guidance from the Holy Spirit. Now a passage of scripture can have more than one meaning; however, those means don't contradict but enhance each other. I've never been unhappy when following CHRIST. It is when I don't that I find myself at whits end. I cannot imagine life without GOD ----- it cannot be a joyous one...

The honest way YOU should respond is address the post 60 as it is, all of it came from the bible, but you will refuse because that requires critical thinking which Theists can't allow or they would realize there are indeed serious contradiction and impossibilities to overcome. It is the typical response of those who invest heavily in a FAITH because there is no specific evidence that god exist, that is why faith is pushed so hard, it is the way to maintain a delusion.

Since I left religion as being a Deacon in church in 1990, my life became better and happier for it. Have bought Telescopes to enjoyed the Night Sky, Once owned a 25" F5 Obsession Telescope of which I gave THOUSANDS of people free viewing in City Parks and at The Oregon Star Party, now I own an 18* F 4.5 Telescope.

You have no idea what it is like to be free of an old delusion, one that causes many church members to suffer, one where they have been exploited many times over the centuries by the church. They were kept illiterate, serfs for centuries, thus given a bunch of NON biblical based religious practices that required money or you be punished, sometimes with loss of limbs. It is basically a money based racket clothed in beautiful paintings, sculptures and expensive churches (the bible never supports such arrangement) Some pastors charge money for prayers, and request funding to keep their silly local TV show on the air in a saturated Christian public...., why the continual drive to keep people tied to church rituals, when the bible itself doesn't require it.

Cheers.

Are religious people happier, healthier? Our new global study explores this question

In many countries, actively religious people are more likely than their less-religious peers to describe themselves as very happy.

www.pewresearch.org

Christians are Happier - Ways to Faith

Christians are happier than their secular counterparts, with less suicide, depression, longer lifespan and healthier lifestyle.

waystofaith.net

Ha ha ha......

Another religionists who can't face the bibles own contradictions at all, this is what people do when their FAITH is under pressure, they go around looking for links and manufactured rationalizations to spew out thus, justify ignoring post 60.

It is the religionists who starts 95% of wars, who generate civil wars and interfere with non religious people lives.

Please provide evidence that “religionists” start 95% of wars.

Secular elites are most eager to interfere in people’s lives.

Consider this lunacy: Mother arrested after calling a transgender woman a man

 

[Meriweather]

1. you people don't even get the SIMPLE point I've stated many times= you can't and don't prove there is a god

I believe you and I have already been over this. If you have forgotten, my position is that proof belongs to the physical world. There is no proof of God. I can say why I believe, I can relate my own stories and experiences, I can prove none of it. Since you require proof, I am of no help with this.

 

[Meriweather]

2. NO ONE should give credence to anyone who can't prove their claims--and theists do not even give a LITTLE proof --anywhere near proof

Again, there is no proof. None. I have personal knowledge, but no proof at all.

 

[Meriweather]

3. what if I said I BELIEVE hitler was a good guy?? or I BELIEVE the KKK is great? etc????

If you said you believe Hitler was a good guy, I would ask what else about Hitler led to that conclusion. Eva Braun probably thought Hitler was a good guy. I wonder why, but not enough to read up on her. As far as the KKK, I would simply assume since the KKK ]was against Roman Catholics, it is a matter of the enemy of my enemy is on my side, so no big deal. Many don't care for Catholics. Shrug.