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Science and religion are not exclusive but science and politicized right wing Christianity is. Thousands of children get sent to crappy christian madrassas just so a twisted version of natural science can be taught.
Do you think theists are mistaken? A yes or no would be great.You just made a claim.Atheists don't make claims. That's what theists do.
This is you claiming that I'm not a theist.
False. They ask for evidence and proof.Atheists claim theists are mistaken.
Proof of what?Why don’t atheists bear the burden of proof? Are they just lazy? Or afraid? Let’s stop the cheap debater’s tricks.
Pretty sure Noah didn't pack every kind of animal in the world on a boat.Science and religion are not exclusive but science and politicized right wing Christianity is. Thousands of children get sent to crappy christian madrassas just so a twisted version of natural science can be taught.
The typical atheist on interactive social media knows little to nothing about the pertinent sciences of origin.
I think they have yet to offer any evidence.Do you think theists are mistaken? A yes or no would be great.You just made a claim.Atheists don't make claims. That's what theists do.
This is you claiming that I'm not a theist.
False. They ask for evidence and proof.Atheists claim theists are mistaken.
Proof of what?Why don’t atheists bear the burden of proof? Are they just lazy? Or afraid? Let’s stop the cheap debater’s tricks.
These long, tedious cut and paste tirades you litter various threads with are getting old, Bunky.Let's Examine Claims of Atheists
The Fallacy of Science vs. Religion
The atheists' frequent claim that science and religion are mutually exclusive is demonstrably false. If atheists were as "rational" and "intelligent" as they are always claiming, they would not resort to mendacity. Science pursues truth.
The list of scientists as men and women faith is long and growing.
List of Christians in science and technology - Wikipedia
“Science is not only compatible with spirituality, it is a profound source of spirituality. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”
” - Demon Haunted World, page 29, by Carl Sagan
“I believe in God more because of science than in spite of it.” – William Phillips, Nobel Laureate in Physics
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The Atheist Claim of Rationality and Intellectual Superiority
If atheists are, on average, intellectually superior to people of faith, then why do they abandon their religious belief in atheism at a rate higher than any other group? (The Supreme Court has adjudged atheism a religion.)
Atheists marry less, by far, than those of faith.
Recently the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life has published its mammoth study on Religion in America based on 35,000 interviews... According to the Pew Forum a whopping 37% of atheists never marry as opposed to 19% of the American population, 17% of Protestants and 17% of Catholics.[3]
The religious have better mental health into adulthood.
The abstract for the journal article Health and Well-Being Among the Non-religious: Atheists, Agnostics, and No Preference Compared with Religious Group Members published in the Journal of Religion and Health indicates: "On dimensions related to psychological well-being, atheists and agnostics tended to have worse outcomes than either those with religious affiliation or those with no religious preference."[2]
Global News reported:
“ Children who are raised with religious or spiritual beliefs tend to have better mental health into their adulthood, a new study from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health found.
According to the study’s findings, people who attended weekly religious services or prayed or meditated daily in their childhood reported greater life satisfaction in their 20s. People who grew up in a religious household also reported fewer symptoms of depression and lower rates of post-traumatic stress disorder.[3]
People of faith live longer than atheists.
For the study, a team of Ohio University academics, including associate professor of psychology Christian End, analysed more than 1,500 obituaries from across the US to piece together how the defining features of our lives affect our longevity.
These records include religious affiliations and marriage details as well as information on activities, hobbies and habits, which can help or hinder our health, not otherwise captured in census data.
The study, published in Social Psychological and Personality Science today, found that on average people whose obituary mentioned they were religious lived an extra 5.64 years.
Atheists commit suicide far more often than those of faith, which is clearly not "rational"
"Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns" in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005). In examining various indicators of societal health, Zuckerman concludes about suicide:
"Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization's report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine, and Latvia. Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism."[3]
The list of atheist shooters and serial killers does not correspond to claims of intellectual superiority and rationality.
Atheists have a long record of being mass shooters and militant atheism in general has a causal association with mass murder.
Due to this fact, peer reviewed research published in academic journals has found that society-at-large is likely to hold atheists responsible for capital criminal acts and that even atheists are likely to assume that serial killers are fellow atheists.[2][3][4]
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“The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advance of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble.” – Adolf Hitler
"...indoctrinating them (scholars) with materialism, atheism, and the theory of evolution - the Chinese Communist Party systematically brainwashed a new generation of students, instilling hatred toward traditional culture. ... the CCP promoted atheism and launched ideological attacks against the belief in god.... using methods of violence and high pressure to suppress, persecute and, eliminate religions including the murder of religious practitioners." - The Epoch Times, July 29, 2019
Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins became atheists after long and exhaustive rational inquiries into the existence of God, both at the age of nine. - The Irrational Atheist, by Vox Day, page 243
The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined. – The Irrational Atheist, by Vox Day, page 240
Irrational Atheism
Atheists always claim to be more rational and more intelligent than Christians. They do not provide evidence of their arrogant, pretentious claim, but even if they did, it does not begin to prove their claim that God does not exist. Implied but not stated is the presumption that BECAUSE atheists are much smarter than you are, THEY must be right, and YOU must be wrong. That does not logically follow, and is a clear Fallacy of the Argument From Authority. So the statement of intellectual superiority itself is irrational.
Atheists claim that "there is no proof" of God. They seem blissfully ignorant of the fact that proof only exists in mathematics. So says mathematics professor John Lennox, of Oxford University.
His remark is echoed by the late Carl Sagan, a militant agnostic and Leftist, who said, "Nothing is known for certain except in pure mathematics." Atheists seem to dispute even their beloved Carl Sagan as they insist that they know for certain that Darwin was indisputably right, though it is not known "for certain," according to Sagan, and therefore, what need for God? Atheists Stalin and Hitler agreed wholeheartedly.
God killed every first born child in Egypt because the pharaoh wouldn't do what he wanted. Why didn't he just kill the pharaoh?
Come now, you can't be serious about silly youtube videos.Everyone who watches Thunderbird's video on fine-tuning owes him a debt of gratitude.
I will include that in several of my websites, it is so important and so informative.
Come now, let us reason together. - Isaiah 1:18
After Brandon Carter published his brilliant analysis describing the Anthropic Principle, atheists went crazy trying to think of some "rational" counter to it. The best that they could come up with was their "Multiverse" nonsense. There are trillions of universes (wink, wink) and WE are in JUST THE RIGHT ONE!
That isn't science. It's childish poppycock. But they push it seriously to this day.
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.After Brandon Carter published his brilliant analysis describing the Anthropic Principle, atheists went crazy trying to think of some "rational" counter to it. The best that they could come up with was their "Multiverse" nonsense. There are trillions of universes (wink, wink) and WE are in JUST THE RIGHT ONE!
That isn't science. It's childish poppycock. But they push it seriously to this day.
The Creative Fantasies of *Intellectuals*
A topnotch WordPress.com site
Materialists are forever trying to evade two things: (1) a beginning of the cosmological order and (2) life from intelligence.
Of course the imperatives of logic and mathematics have told us for centuries that an actual infinite is an absurdity. We have recently affirmed this scientifically.
A multiverse doesn't resolve for them the necessity of a cosmological beginning, as no geodesic can be past complete (Borde-Guth-Vilenkin Theorem). When such cosmologists talk about an infinitely "bubbling" multiverse, they're still referring to a cosmological order of a potential infinity into the future. In other words, they do not evade the necessity of creatio ex nihilo.
Even if one were to grant the existence of a multiverse, even if there existed a cosmological order that increased the odds for the development of the stellar and planetary structures that can support life, how would that show that life can arise from nonliving material by mere chemistry in the first place? It wouldn't.
The fundamental precursors of cellular membranes do not and cannot organize themselves into cellular membranes sans the complex machinery of living cells, and the fundamental precursors of the machinery of living cells do not and cannot organize themselves into anything but organic goop sans cellular membranes. In fact, outside living cells, the latter do not combine into anything of biotic significance.
Chicken or the egg? Egg or the chicken? As for the most fundamental information in and of itself, ditto! Proteins or genetic material? Genetic material or proteins?
And why should anyone believe for even the briefest of magical moments that other-based lifeforms could arise by mere chemistry when carbon-based lifeforms cannot arise by mere chemistry?
It just occurred to me that those wishful of finding E.T. are necessarily materialists -
.Materialists are forever trying to evade two things: -
The people of Egypt worshipedGod killed every first born child in Egypt because the pharaoh wouldn't do what he wanted. Why didn't he just kill the pharaoh?
Satan was trying to undermine GOD's plan for salvation. And GOD needed to intervene or man's future would be lost.So let me get this straight... God wiped out the entire human population in a flood, but he spared satan? Any christians want to clarify this?
We are ALL related through Adam and Eve.God killed every first born child in Egypt because the pharaoh wouldn't do what he wanted. Why didn't he just kill the pharaoh?
This is Jewish history back to their ancestor Adam. Its not the history of gentiles.
Sans any education in the biological sciences, it's hilarious to read the Henry Morris groupies rattle on with a version of religiously inspired nonsense.After Brandon Carter published his brilliant analysis describing the Anthropic Principle, atheists went crazy trying to think of some "rational" counter to it. The best that they could come up with was their "Multiverse" nonsense. There are trillions of universes (wink, wink) and WE are in JUST THE RIGHT ONE!
That isn't science. It's childish poppycock. But they push it seriously to this day.
The Creative Fantasies of *Intellectuals*
A topnotch WordPress.com site
Materialists are forever trying to evade two things: (1) a beginning of the cosmological order and (2) life from intelligence.
Of course the imperatives of logic and mathematics have told us for centuries that an actual infinite is an absurdity. We have recently affirmed this scientifically.
A multiverse doesn't resolve for them the necessity of a cosmological beginning, as no geodesic can be past complete (Borde-Guth-Vilenkin Theorem). When such cosmologists talk about an infinitely "bubbling" multiverse, they're still referring to a cosmological order of a potential infinity into the future. In other words, they do not evade the necessity of creatio ex nihilo.
Even if one were to grant the existence of a multiverse, even if there existed a cosmological order that increased the odds for the development of the stellar and planetary structures that can support life, how would that show that life can arise from nonliving material by mere chemistry in the first place? It wouldn't.
The fundamental precursors of cellular membranes do not and cannot organize themselves into cellular membranes sans the complex machinery of living cells, and the fundamental precursors of the machinery of living cells do not and cannot organize themselves into anything but organic goop sans cellular membranes. In fact, outside living cells, the latter do not combine into anything of biotic significance.
Chicken or the egg? Egg or the chicken? As for the most fundamental information in and of itself, ditto! Proteins or genetic material? Genetic material or proteins?
And why should anyone believe for even the briefest of magical moments that other-based lifeforms could arise by mere chemistry when carbon-based lifeforms cannot arise by mere chemistry?
Jesus tells this story and it is likely true, since JESUS being God would have access to a wealth of information that the FATHER allowed HIM to glean when necessary...I think they have yet to offer any evidence.Do you think theists are mistaken? A yes or no would be great.You just made a claim.Atheists don't make claims. That's what theists do.
This is you claiming that I'm not a theist.
False. They ask for evidence and proof.Atheists claim theists are mistaken.
Proof of what?Why don’t atheists bear the burden of proof? Are they just lazy? Or afraid? Let’s stop the cheap debater’s tricks.
